Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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brightfame52

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Before anyone Christ died for believes , or comes to Faith, they are Justified before God for Two reasons. First because of non imputation of sin, no charges by God has been imputed to them. 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation

The AMP 19 It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them], and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor).

The EXB 19 [L For] God was in Christ, ·making peace between the world and [reconciling the world to] himself. In Christ, God did not ·hold the world guilty of its sins [L count their trespasses against them]. And he ·gave [committed/entrusted to] us this message of ·peace [reconciliation].

This World Paul points out, God did not hold it guilty of its sins. That's Non Imputation and its Justification.

Also Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Well, this applies to that World in 2 Cor 5:19, its a Blessed World because God will not charge or impute its sins unto them of that World. That's Justification.

NIVUK Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.’

For the sins of that world in 2 Cor 5:19 and the persons of Rom 4:8 those sins of theirs was not charged to them because they were laid to Christ's Charge, and they were set free or Justified from them.

Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

There is no clearer verse that indicates that those whom God does not charge, impute with Sin is His Justifying of them. And none whom Christ died for are charged with their sins by God !

God the Law giver, does not hold them accountable for their sins even though they are in themselves very sinful, nevertheless He Justifies them. But why ? The second phrase of Vs 34 informs why Vs 34

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

That's right, because of the death of Christ. In order for Christ to die, sins must be charged to Him to die for 1 Cor 15:3, and the sins of those charged to Him to die for, were not charged to the ones that He died for, and that is God Justifying them, and condemning Him in their stead. Paul writes Rom 8:3

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

That is God condemned Christ for the sins of those that were laid to His Body 1 Pet 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Hence, He in Divine Justice purposed to condemn them in Christ, He Justified them. This was before they believed. 6
 

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Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.

vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".

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God given Faith rests in the revelation and witness of what has been testified to by the resurrection of Christ, that those who sins He died for, He rose again because of their Justification. Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

So again you are at variance with scripture and with God given Faith !
 

brightfame52

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I believe Scripture.

What is rejected is your erroneous dogma because it does not align with Scripture.

What we do know from Scripture from Genesis to Revelation is clearly spelled out:


John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word

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It doesnt appear you believe or understand scripture.
 

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John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.



Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...

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It seems you fail to understand the Justice of God, how that its satisfied with regards to all the sinners He punished Christ in behalf of because He was charged with all their sins, hence making it so that God will never charge them with sin, since that would be injustice.
 
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Before anyone Christ died for believes , or comes to Faith, they are Justified before God
Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.

vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".




brightfame52 said:
the sins of those charged to Him to die for, were not charged to the ones that He died for
The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind.

John 8:

21 Later Jesus said to them again, “I am going away. You will search for me but will die in your sin. You cannot come where I am going.”

22 The peopled asked, “Is he planning to commit suicide? What does he mean, ‘You cannot come where I am going’?”

23 Jesus continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You belong to this world; I do not.

24 That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins.”




O foolish Galatians brightfame52, who hath bewitched you ...
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Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.

vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".





The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind.

John 8:

21 Later Jesus said to them again, “I am going away. You will search for me but will die in your sin. You cannot come where I am going.”

22 The peopled asked, “Is he planning to commit suicide? What does he mean, ‘You cannot come where I am going’?”

23 Jesus continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You belong to this world; I do not.

24 That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins.”



O foolish Galatians brightfame52, who hath bewitched you ...
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You still cant receive the Love of the Truth.
 

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Justified before believing and why ?2

The First reason for Justification before God before believing has been given, because of non imputation of sin.

Now the Second Reason is because of Imputation of Christ's Righteousness. Rom 4:6-7

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

All for whom Christ died, by His Death for them alone, it makes them [before God] Righteous.

This is seen the Prophecy of Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

AMP 11 He shall see [the fruit] of the travail of His soul and be satisfied; by His knowledge of Himself [which He possesses and imparts to others] shall My [uncompromisingly] righteous One, My Servant, justify many and make many righteous (upright and in right standing with God), for He shall bear their iniquities and their guilt [with the consequences, says the Lord].

ESV Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.



Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

AMP 19 For just as by one man’s disobedience (failing to hear, heedlessness, and carelessness) the many were constituted sinners, so by one Man’s obedience the many will be constituted righteous (made acceptable to God, brought into right standing with Him).

That's Justification. All this was accounted before they believed, had nothing to do with their personal belief, in fact, it was true while they were enemies, and it is the reason why they do believe after God reveals it to them by the Gospel of their Salvation, they are then persuaded of its fact or reality.
 
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All this was accounted before they believed
No it was not "accounted before they believed"

Romans 4:


20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.

vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

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brightfame52

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No it was not "accounted before they believed"

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.

vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

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Yes it was accounted before they believed, unless you believe God responds to man rather than Christs Blood, or Himself ! If you believe that, you have righteousness imputed because of works of man.
 
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... unless you believe God ...
yes, I believe God:

Romans 4:


20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.

vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".



Believe what God tells us in His Word ... not what your itching ears desire


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yes, I believe God:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.

vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".



Believe what God tells us in His Word ... not what your itching ears desire

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If you believe God you should believe His Word I witness to you.
 

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You resisting truth, read the thread
I’d rather read and believe the Bible. You resisted Romans 5:1. That’s what happened.Finish the sentence. “Therefore being justified by —————, we have peace with God.” Romans 5:1.
 

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Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.


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Nailed it.
 

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Yes it was accounted before they believed, unless you believe God responds to man rather than Christs Blood, or Himself ! If you believe that, you have righteousness imputed because of works of man.
Romans 4:5 clearly states that righteousness is imputed to those who believe.
 

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For he that is dead is freed/Justifed from sin.6

Rom 6:7

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

The word freed here is the greek word dikaioō:

to render righteous or such he ought to be

2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

Its also translated 37 times as the word justify.

So those who died in Christ and be dead are justified from all sin.

Paul says of those Christ died for 2 Cor 5:14

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

That's because of their union with Christ when He died for them, then by that Union [Legal Union and Representative Union] they all died when He died and became freed or Justified from sin.

This also proves from scripture that those Christ died for, are by His Death alone, justified from sin, so Justified before God.

They do not die or be dead because of their Faith or Believing, nothing they do, but solely based upon their Legal Union with Christ when He died.
 

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I do believe God's Word ... it's your errant dogma I do not believe.

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You must believe God responds to the dead sinners faith to give him righteousness instead of God giving the sinner righteousness based upon what Christ did for the sinner.