Why Christians get a bad rap amongst the Jews...(an example)

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eternally-gratefull

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Because the Bible says they the apple of His eye. Romans 11 makes it clear we have no room to boast, that we have been grafted in and that they will come to believe when the Gentiles have come in.
Remember thought, it still calls them our enemy concerning the gospel
 
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The passage doesn't seem too difficult at all. Paul is telling us Gentiles not to be ignorant or boastful, and that God is not finished with Israel.

The question of why some Christians support Israel is a complicated one. It incorporates politics as well as prophecy and instruction from the Lord.

Politically, they occupy a tiny spit of land. The ONLY true democracy in the region, surrounded by dictators, despots and vast hordes of muslims that want them liquidated. On that level alone, ALL of the West should support them.

Make no mistake, the vast majority of Jews today are either atheist/agnostic or extreme legalists. Many harbor ill will toward Christians.
We should never base our response to them based on the points above. Our response should be based on what the Lord would have us do.
In the OT we have "I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you". I don't see that as ended.

In the NT we see Jesus at the sheep and goat judgement basing His judgement on the nations and peoples of those nations on how they treated the Jews, especially during the Great Tribulation.

Notice the DISTINCTION Jesus makes between the righteous Gentiles, and HIS BRETHREN. I believe He is talking about those Gentile Christians that helped the Jews in their persecution by the antichrist.

Matthew 25:
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My Brethren , you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed,into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
The bible says we are to love our enemies.

So when did loving jews, or muslims, or hidus or or anyone for that matter, a sin?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And because the victor holds the convenience of publishing our history books many do not know that the Jews frst declared war on Germany and not the other way around...


Thats funny, Since judea was not a nation.

Lolololol!!

It also shows Hitler in power. So his war against jews had already begun.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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my sir-name is Naarden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naarden I am Hebrew,I am 84 years old...
Yep, I mean wikepedia is a source that can be trusted 100%

Hitler had started his jewish stuff long before he invaded anyone.

If Juda declaried war on him, It was BECAUSE of what he was doing

Of course, THEY DID NOT HAVE AN ARMY. So that was another issue.
 

PennEd

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Ok then look at the words "exterminating every man woman and child" which in fact is what we were
all told in our history books in school. That is 6-9 million Jews were killed by the Nazi's so lets add the things up and see.

In 1933 there are 565,000 Jews in Germany, 3 mill. in Poland, 225,000 in France ect.ect. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...-of-europe-in-1933-population-data-by-country In the newspaper article you quoted it states 600,000 lived in Germany in 1933 here is the text of the newspaper in your quote or you can search for it and read it with a magnifying glass if you like https://www.h-ref.de/feindbilder/juedische-kriegserklaerungen/daily-express-abend.php but if there isn't six to nine million Jews that lived there how did he kill that many?
Folks, this is sadly where you eventually wind up with replacement theologists. A minimizing, or sometimes outright denial of the holocaust. They hate, and cannot explain the FACT that Jews are back in the land after nearly 2000 yrs.

You would have thought this satanic doctrine would have gone the way of the dodo on May 14th 1948.
But no, they only redouble their efforts. Even sometimes aligning themselves with Muslims, and their desire to push every Jew into the sea.

Sir, couldn't care a speck that you claim to be of Jewish heritage. I will leave you with a few images. Just like the when my uncle was part of the American forces that made the German civilians see what they had allowed happen, some people need their faces put to the horror. But of course they were gonna boycott buying stuff, so I guess that makes it ok!!!


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eternally-gratefull

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Now we are blaming the jews for ww2

And people wonder why their is so much angst against certain belief systems
 
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Folks, this is sadly where you eventually wind up with replacement theologists. A minimizing, or sometimes outright denial of the holocaust. They hate, and cannot explain the FACT that Jews are back in the land after nearly 2000 yrs.

You would have thought this satanic doctrine would have gone the way of the dodo on May 14th 1948.
But no, they only redouble their efforts. Even sometimes aligning themselves with Muslims, and their desire to push every Jew into the sea.

Sir, couldn't care a speck that you claim to be of Jewish heritage. I will leave you with a few images. Just like the when my uncle was part of the American forces that made the German civilians see what they had allowed happen, some people need their faces put to the horror. But of course they were gonna boycott buying stuff, so I guess that makes it ok!!!


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And they wonder why people call them antisemites.

it is not all of them, But it is in their numbers
 

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Folks, this is sadly where you eventually wind up with replacement theologists. A minimizing, or sometimes outright denial of the holocaust. They hate, and cannot explain the FACT that Jews are back in the land after nearly 2000 yrs.

You would have thought this satanic doctrine would have gone the way of the dodo on May 14th 1948.
But no, they only redouble their efforts. Even sometimes aligning themselves with Muslims, and their desire to push every Jew into the sea.

Sir, couldn't care a speck that you claim to be of Jewish heritage. I will leave you with a few images. Just like the when my uncle was part of the American forces that made the German civilians see what they had allowed happen, some people need their faces put to the horror. But of course they were gonna boycott buying stuff, so I guess that makes it ok!!!


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I said I was "Hebrew" but just like a circle in a dot you saw me saying "I'm Jewish" I'm not I'm Christian. You should realize that I at that time was about the age of the boys in the bottom right photo and please give the source of these images as I have in my post. If you are going to show these you should not be just one-sided and also show the images of the atrocities committed by the ailed forces also at the end of the war in specific by Russia, and the U.S. you see it was a bloody war and it seems everyone hated one another. Google "ww2 allied atrocities" and look at the blood bath we really lived though I can asure you no side was clean in the ordeal.
 

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I said I was "Hebrew" but just like a circle in a dot you saw me saying "I'm Jewish" I'm not I'm Christian. You should realize that I at that time was about the age of the boys in the bottom right photo and please give the source of these images as I have in my post. If you are going to show these you should not be just one-sided and also show the images of the atrocities committed by the ailed forces also at the end of the war in specific by Russia, and the U.S. you see it was a bloody war and it seems everyone hated one another. Google "ww2 allied atrocities" and look at the blood bath we really lived though I can asure you no side was clean in the ordeal.
No sir. I have had my fill of this filth.
 

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And now you have the "example" the OP ask for It's the unwillingness to look at anything with an open mind.
 

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My understanding from listening to various pastors out there is that Jewish suffering is special/different because they were God's elect and all their suffering far exceeds the suffering of others even though more people died in Russia, many of whom were Christians through starvation and death marches, if we are comparing human suffering that is.
its true they get the most media publicity. nobody ever talks about the russians, polaks and gypsies that perished.. tragic event all together.

i dont believe allies were good, i dont believe the axis were good.

both were guilty of horrific war crimes. i dont believe as i said before that christians should support any country or political movement here on earth. we are to keep our eyes on the kingdom of God and things above.

all the rulers are wicked and will remain wicked until Jesus comes back.
 
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kaylagrl

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Folks, this is sadly where you eventually wind up with replacement theologists. A minimizing, or sometimes outright denial of the holocaust. They hate, and cannot explain the FACT that Jews are back in the land after nearly 2000 yrs.

You would have thought this satanic doctrine would have gone the way of the dodo on May 14th 1948.
But no, they only redouble their efforts. Even sometimes aligning themselves with Muslims, and their desire to push every Jew into the sea.

Sir, couldn't care a speck that you claim to be of Jewish heritage. I will leave you with a few images. Just like the when my uncle was part of the American forces that made the German civilians see what they had allowed happen, some people need their faces put to the horror. But of course they were gonna boycott buying stuff, so I guess that makes it ok!!!


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Absolutely could not agree with you anymore than 110%. I've said this time and again. Replacement theology is a false doctrine of demons. Anyone who tries to minimize or deny the Holocaust is evil, nothing more can be said.
 
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I said I was "Hebrew" but just like a circle in a dot you saw me saying "I'm Jewish" I'm not I'm Christian. You should realize that I at that time was about the age of the boys in the bottom right photo and please give the source of these images as I have in my post. If you are going to show these you should not be just one-sided and also show the images of the atrocities committed by the ailed forces also at the end of the war in specific by Russia, and the U.S. you see it was a bloody war and it seems everyone hated one another. Google "ww2 allied atrocities" and look at the blood bath we really lived though I can asure you no side was clean in the ordeal.

The Allies were defending people trying to stop a maniac from taking over the world and wiping Jews off the map forever!! People die in war, Allies weren't trying to murder innocent the way Hitler and the Germans were. If Hitler had not come to power no lives would have been lost.
 
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And now you have the "example" the OP ask for It's the unwillingness to look at anything with an open mind.
There is no need for an open mind, the Holocaust happened, period. All kinds of witnesses, all kinds of records kept, photos, a literal ton of evidence in the trails. Only a fool would deny it.
 

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Absolutely could not agree with you anymore than 110%. I've said this time and again. Replacement theology is a false doctrine of demons. Anyone who tries to minimize or deny the Holocaust is evil, nothing more can be said.

Not that I deny an Holocaust,,,just the term "the" holocaust. Why is because it only denotes one religious group or race when millions of others perished also.
 

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Replacement theology is a false doctrine of demons.
this is just a new boogieman word

there is no replacement theology. nobody believed that. the teaching is what the bible said to moses: God will raise up a prophet among the people and whoever doesnt listen to that prophet will be ...... cut off from the people.......

and the jews that believed such as the apostles, the 3000 on pentecost and the thousands and thousands more were the remnant. they were added to the church as it says in acts 2. the rest were cut off.

thats not replacement theology but thats what the bible says. all the apostles were jews and the entire early church was jewish, it was a jew(john) who wrote that anyone who denies Jesus is God's son is in antichrist spirit.
thats not replacement thelogy, thats bible.

this was believed by everyone throughout church history and is today.

this also doesnt mean as is falsely said and advertised that there is no future for israel. everyone has read the bible and knows that there will be a spiritual awakening among the jews before Jesus returns. amillennialists dont deny that i have read it my own eyes from kim riddlebarger's.

can you define the word replacement theology? the claim is church replaced israel, but there is nothing to replace. it was simply a continuation of same people of God. the jews who accepted messiah continued on, the ones who didnt were cut off.

this is very simple dont know why americans are so into israel, i find it strange and never have understood it. israel is a secular nation like germany or sweden or spain. its just a regular country like any else. i understand american politicians supporting israel because its their ally, but i dont understand christians who are supposed to be in the kingdom of God supporting a secular nation in the middle-east. no apostle or church father would of done so they were involved with kingdom of God not roman politics or judean politics

sorry for my preaching tone. im no preacher im just saying what i think. i have tried to give it a chance, but i believe its just not christian to be involved in politics.
 
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Not that I deny an Holocaust,,,just the term "the" holocaust. Why is because it only denotes one religious group or race when millions of others perished also.
I don't deny, nor does anyone I know, that others were murdered by Hitler and his gang. Over 6 million Jews and others that were seen as unfit. I don't know anyone that denies that. But Hitlers main idea was to wipe Jews out as a people. That is why people talk about the Jews and the Holocaust. Because they suffered the most for just being a Jew. Everything they had was taken, treated like cattle being shoved onto trains and led to their torture and death for many of them. That is why we speak of the Jews.
 

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There is no need for an open mind, the Holocaust happened, period. All kinds of witnesses, all kinds of records kept, photos, a literal ton of evidence in the trails. Only a fool would deny it.

In this "the holocaust" as you term it how many of them fulfilled Matthew 24:9 and died "for my names sake"? You see it might be convenient to find in history this fulfillment in the holocaust but they did not die for "Jesus names sake" in fact they don't/didnt believe Jesus our Lord was the Messiah and so how ever horrific the events that unfolded in ww2 were there still remains another Holocaust of those who will die for Jesus names sake. Be careful not to replace one with the other in theology.
 

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this is just a new boogieman word

there is no replacement theology. nobody believed that. the teaching is what the bible said to moses: God will raise up a prophet among the people and whoever doesnt listen to that prophet will be ...... cut off from the people.......

and the jews that believed such as the apostles, the 3000 on pentecost and the thousands and thousands more were the remnant. they were added to the church as it says in acts 2. the rest were cut off.

thats not replacement theology but thats what the bible says. all the apostles were jews and the entire early church was jewish, it was a jew(john) who wrote that anyone who denies Jesus is God's son is in antichrist spirit.
thats not replacement thelogy, thats bible.

this was believed by everyone throughout church history and is today.

this also doesnt mean as is falsely said and advertised that there is no future for israel. everyone has read the bible and knows that there will be a spiritual awakening among the jews before Jesus returns. amillennialists dont deny that i have read it my own eyes from kim riddlebarger's.

can you define the word replacement theology? the claim is church replaced israel, but there is nothing to replace. it was simply a continuation of same people of God. the jews who accepted messiah continued on, the ones who didnt were cut off.

this is very simple dont know why americans are so into israel, i find it strange and never have understood it. israel is a secular nation like germany or sweden or spain. its just a regular country like any else. i understand american politicians supporting israel because its their ally, but i dont understand christians who are supposed to be in the kingdom of God supporting a secular nation in the middle-east. no apostle or church father would of done so they were involved with kingdom of God not roman politics or judean politics

sorry for my preaching tone. im no preacher im just saying what i think. i have tried to give it a chance, but i believe its just not christian to be involved in politics.

In the census records of Jewish population by nation the largest two Jewish populations are in the U.S. and Israel.