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Were you there to see it? Do you know for a fact that the continents have only moved 1- 10 cm/yr for hundreds or thousands of years? Or is that based on an ASSUMPTION? How do you know the mountains existed at that time as high as they do now from any one seeing them? How can you be sure that the earth did not change substantially since then from any type of OBSERVATION? The flood is figured to have happen about 2500 BC well within the BRONZE AGE.
Continental drift began with one land mass. Whether it was originally flat or not may or may not be important. According to structural geology it was a large tectonic plate, perhaps originating with fractures akin to what are called faults. According to science this plate or these fused plates float on internal layers of the earth's composition, the solid continuation of the layers of the atmospheres. With gravitational influences and perhaps hydro-influences the original single land mass began to separate from itself, and according to science orogenic events took place thoughout the geologic time scale including varied orogenies. With the advent of rainfall came erosion, with erosion riviers were made, and rivers have deltas where eugeosyinclines form. Eugeosynclines are deep depressions caused by silt deposits which eventually will weigh down the substructure of the earth's crust creating convection currents in underlying magma, and magma chambers with convection currents. This in turn will for geosyclines or mountain chains. Both types of synclines have the commonality of volcanoes however the eugeosyncline eventually developes more volcanic activity. The Rocky Mountains is a fairly young orogenic event and in progress, however geology in general is in progress. So, the land could well have been originally flat, then over billions of years processed into what we know today.
This is what I learned at the University of Illinois, and I am certain the terminologies have changed somewhat in the 40 plus years insuing.
I know this for functioning in the material world, but after much prayer, meditation and personal deliberations I have come to believe the Word of Yahweh to the last dot because all of that hooey about how the world evolved works on paper, but it is not the way things are.
This is what I learned at the University of Illinois, and I am certain the terminologies have changed somewhat in the 40 plus years insuing.
I know this for functioning in the material world, but after much prayer, meditation and personal deliberations I have come to believe the Word of Yahweh to the last dot because all of that hooey about how the world evolved works on paper, but it is not the way things are.
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For modern dating methods (radio-carbon, etc) to be accurate, conditions on earth have to have been the same for the entire span of time we are trying to date. Precludes cyclical warming and ice ages. Also precludes a worldwide catastrophe.
Modern dating methods are in a word, MBFM.
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For modern dating methods (radio-carbon, etc) to be accurate, conditions on earth have to have been the same for the entire span of time we are trying to date. Precludes cyclical warming and ice ages. Also precludes a worldwide catastrophe.
Modern dating methods are in a word, MBFM.
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You need to get off your high horse. You're behaving like a Pharisee. If you can't engage in argument without consigning your opponent to the flames of hell, then you're doing only what the Pharisees did.
Besides which, I was only arguing that the Hebrew word translated as "earth" should be translated as "land" which it is anyway, over a thousand times.
Streuth, this forum attracts some bizarre people.
Besides which, I was only arguing that the Hebrew word translated as "earth" should be translated as "land" which it is anyway, over a thousand times.
Streuth, this forum attracts some bizarre people.
I have seen some good programs on the BBC History iplayer about the history of the various continents. Believe me, geologists are pretty clued up about how everything works these days. Science has progressed enormously of late. There is no way that the mountains have changed much in the last 4500 years. In geological time spans, 4500 years is insignificant.
This is not so. They have masses of evidence, especially from fossils, from seeing how rocks formed underground come to the surface over a period of time, and from analyzing the chemical composition of rocks, minerals etc. They know the history of every continent from their origination in the super continent of Pangaea.
No one is doubting that there have been substantial geological events in recent history in the area of Mesopotamia. E.g. See the Black Sea deluge hypothesis.
However there is absolutely no evidence for a world wide flood, and quite frankly, it is quite wrong for the Bible translators to translate the Noah story as if a worldwide flood is being insinuated. It's just absurd to even suggest that what was happening on the far side of the world was being related in the story of Noah.
No one is doubting that there have been substantial geological events in recent history in the area of Mesopotamia. E.g. See the Black Sea deluge hypothesis.
However there is absolutely no evidence for a world wide flood, and quite frankly, it is quite wrong for the Bible translators to translate the Noah story as if a worldwide flood is being insinuated. It's just absurd to even suggest that what was happening on the far side of the world was being related in the story of Noah.
They have to base the time frames on ASSUMPTIONS. They can NOT base them on FACTUAL OBSERVATION. Did any person ALIVE ever see Pangaea? They can only come with that continent from ASSUMPTIONS that the continents were at one time a single continent. They EXTRAPOLATE the time data,which means they have to base it on ASSUMPTIONS.
Well that's no different to how everyone lives. We all have to assume things. The only issue is whether our assumptions are based on evidence. There's not a lot of evidence in the Noah story, is there? It's rather the groundless and somewhat vain assumptions of the bible translators who insist on pretending that the whole world is being referred to, that are in issue.
If the Hebrew word for land and earth is the same, there is little point in insisting it means the whole planet, from North Pole to South Pole, from East to West. That seems to me to be an interpretation that the text cannot bear.
If the Hebrew word for land and earth is the same, there is little point in insisting it means the whole planet, from North Pole to South Pole, from East to West. That seems to me to be an interpretation that the text cannot bear.
Then why are there seashells at the top of Mount Everest? I know what the secular viewpoint is,but it is NOT provable that is the way the seashells got to the top of Mount Everest. That is based on the viewpoint of the person looking at the data and putting their own spin on the data. Evidence in and of itself can only do one thing and that is point to the truth,but if one is looking at the evidence from a skewed perspective it still comes out skewed. The question comes down to what is the truth?
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What is wrong with believing the bible?
bible says there was a flood.
(John 12:9 KJV) Much people of the Jews therefore knew that Jesus was there:
and they came not for Jesus' sake only,
but that they might see Lazarus also,
whom Jesus had raised from the dead.
John 12:10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Jesus and Lazarus also to death;
some people just dont believe
bible says there was a flood.
(John 12:9 KJV) Much people of the Jews therefore knew that Jesus was there:
and they came not for Jesus' sake only,
but that they might see Lazarus also,
whom Jesus had raised from the dead.
John 12:10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Jesus and Lazarus also to death;
some people just dont believe
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Jesus said there was a flood
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
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Peter says there was a flood
2 Pet 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2 Pet 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2 Pet 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2 Pet 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2 Pet 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2 Pet 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
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Jesus said ther was a flood and someone says there is not a lot of evidence that there was a flood
except the word of God almighty thats all.
doubt and unbelief will kill you
the priests and leaders of some churches doubt the flood
they will be punished later dont worry about them.
Just know they are fools.
(Job 30:8 KJV) They were children of fools, yea, children of base men: they were viler than the earth.
(Psa 94:8 KJV) Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?
(Psa 107:17 KJV) Fools because of their transgression, and because of their iniquities, are afflicted.
(Prov 1:7 KJV) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
(Prov 1:22 KJV) How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
(Prov 3:35 KJV) The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.
(Prov 8:5 KJV) O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
(Prov 10:21 KJV) The lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom.
(Prov 12:23 KJV) A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness.
(Prov 13:19 KJV) The desire accomplished is sweet to the soul: but it is abomination to fools to depart from evil.
(Prov 13:20 KJV) He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
(Prov 14:8 KJV) The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.
(Prov 14:9 KJV) Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour.
(Prov 14:24 KJV) The crown of the wise is their riches: but the foolishness of fools is folly.
(Prov 14:33 KJV) Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known.
(Prov 15:2 KJV) The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
(Prov 15:14 KJV) The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness.
(Prov 16:22 KJV) Understanding is a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools is folly.
(Prov 19:29 KJV) Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools.
(Prov 26:7 KJV) The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools.
(Prov 26:9 KJV) As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard, so is a parable in the mouth of fools.
(Eccl 5:1 KJV) Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.
(Eccl 5:4 KJV) When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.
(Eccl 7:4 KJV) The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.
(Eccl 7:5 KJV) It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.
(Eccl 7:9 KJV) Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.
(Eccl 9:17 KJV) The words of wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools.
(Isa 19:11 KJV) Surely the princes of Zoan are fools, the counsel of the wise counsellors of Pharaoh is become brutish: how say ye unto Pharaoh, I am the son of the wise, the son of ancient kings?
(Isa 19:13 KJV) The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, even they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.
(Isa 35:8 KJV) And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
(Mat 23:17 KJV) Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
(Mat 23:19 KJV) Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
(Luke 11:40 KJV) Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
(Luke 24:25 KJV) Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
(Rom 1:22 KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(1 Cor 4:10 KJV) We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
(2 Cor 11:19 KJV) For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
(Eph 5:15 KJV) See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
except the word of God almighty thats all.
doubt and unbelief will kill you
the priests and leaders of some churches doubt the flood
they will be punished later dont worry about them.
Just know they are fools.
(Job 30:8 KJV) They were children of fools, yea, children of base men: they were viler than the earth.
(Psa 94:8 KJV) Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?
(Psa 107:17 KJV) Fools because of their transgression, and because of their iniquities, are afflicted.
(Prov 1:7 KJV) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
(Prov 1:22 KJV) How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
(Prov 3:35 KJV) The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.
(Prov 8:5 KJV) O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
(Prov 10:21 KJV) The lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom.
(Prov 12:23 KJV) A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness.
(Prov 13:19 KJV) The desire accomplished is sweet to the soul: but it is abomination to fools to depart from evil.
(Prov 13:20 KJV) He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
(Prov 14:8 KJV) The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.
(Prov 14:9 KJV) Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour.
(Prov 14:24 KJV) The crown of the wise is their riches: but the foolishness of fools is folly.
(Prov 14:33 KJV) Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known.
(Prov 15:2 KJV) The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
(Prov 15:14 KJV) The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness.
(Prov 16:22 KJV) Understanding is a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools is folly.
(Prov 19:29 KJV) Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools.
(Prov 26:7 KJV) The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools.
(Prov 26:9 KJV) As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard, so is a parable in the mouth of fools.
(Eccl 5:1 KJV) Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.
(Eccl 5:4 KJV) When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.
(Eccl 7:4 KJV) The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.
(Eccl 7:5 KJV) It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.
(Eccl 7:9 KJV) Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.
(Eccl 9:17 KJV) The words of wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools.
(Isa 19:11 KJV) Surely the princes of Zoan are fools, the counsel of the wise counsellors of Pharaoh is become brutish: how say ye unto Pharaoh, I am the son of the wise, the son of ancient kings?
(Isa 19:13 KJV) The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, even they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.
(Isa 35:8 KJV) And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
(Mat 23:17 KJV) Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
(Mat 23:19 KJV) Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
(Luke 11:40 KJV) Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
(Luke 24:25 KJV) Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
(Rom 1:22 KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(1 Cor 4:10 KJV) We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
(2 Cor 11:19 KJV) For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
(Eph 5:15 KJV) See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
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Thank goodness we have your neutral worldview to set us right in the interpretation of these Bible passages!
God promised to never again send another flood to wipe out all of humanity. If the flood was only localised, God would have been lying, since we have many floods throughout history, some of them huge. But since we know that God does not lie (because we know he's Absolute Truth) and without sin, your premise that there was no world-wide flood must be faulty.
God promised to never again send another flood to wipe out all of humanity. If the flood was only localised, God would have been lying, since we have many floods throughout history, some of them huge. But since we know that God does not lie (because we know he's Absolute Truth) and without sin, your premise that there was no world-wide flood must be faulty.
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A number of things to watch out for and realise concerning cavemen and dinosaurs.
Watch out, for the worlds media brainwashes into believing certain stereotypes which can lead to stumbling blocks to believe in God. Eg Cavemen..whats the first image you see? A dumb hairy ape like man. Man did certainly and probably still do dwell in caves but they were humans like us. Witches.. a green pointy nose horrid looking woman. Ive met witches that look like ordinary woman that could be your neighbour. Speak to the average person about witches and they think your nuts. Why do they also paint some dinosaurs as evil looking ferocious beasts? I hear people talk about their nature, how do they know the nature of an animal from its bones?
Things to consider...atmospheric conditions on earth have been degrading since the flood. You can see the lifespans of men gradually decreasing in the genealogies since the flood. Oxygen in our atmospher has been decreasing, with higher oxygen means longer life spans, things grow quicker and faster .Now 'dinosaurs' are lizards, they dont stop growing their entire life, now if their living much longer than they do now back then, how big do you think they would get?
Theres alot of information the scientific community try to hold back, if you look carefully youll find the answers
Watch out, for the worlds media brainwashes into believing certain stereotypes which can lead to stumbling blocks to believe in God. Eg Cavemen..whats the first image you see? A dumb hairy ape like man. Man did certainly and probably still do dwell in caves but they were humans like us. Witches.. a green pointy nose horrid looking woman. Ive met witches that look like ordinary woman that could be your neighbour. Speak to the average person about witches and they think your nuts. Why do they also paint some dinosaurs as evil looking ferocious beasts? I hear people talk about their nature, how do they know the nature of an animal from its bones?
Things to consider...atmospheric conditions on earth have been degrading since the flood. You can see the lifespans of men gradually decreasing in the genealogies since the flood. Oxygen in our atmospher has been decreasing, with higher oxygen means longer life spans, things grow quicker and faster .Now 'dinosaurs' are lizards, they dont stop growing their entire life, now if their living much longer than they do now back then, how big do you think they would get?
Theres alot of information the scientific community try to hold back, if you look carefully youll find the answers
When most say cavemen they (I) refer to prehistory, according to Darwinists. I am the first to know the difference between cavemen and those who presently dwell in caves or cave houses. There thousands of cave homes here in Spain. It is a sure thing when I say cavemen, I refer to prehistoric folks, not those modern folks who maitain their cave homes.