Why do people say that the soul don't die .When the BIBLE says, GOD says ALL souls are mine, the soul that sineth it shall die,

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that wasn’t a lie

Genesis 3:22
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever
That is why GOD took the tree of life from is so HE would have eternal sinners ,They had to have the tree to have eternal, So GOD took the tree of life so they would die. And that is why that after He destroy the sinners, He gives the tree of life back to the saved,so they can have eternal life again.
Revelation 22:14 Blessid are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life in may enter in through the gate into the city.
 

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This current body doesn't have immortality. But it will become immortal and glorified at the resurrection. The spirit however, is conscious and aware after death, which is supported by other scriptures.

"The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body."

This current body decays, has a sinful nature and is weak. When the resurrection takes place, this body will be transformed immortal (never to decay or die), will be a glorified body and will be raised, not only by the power of God, but will be raise in power, i.e. those new bodies will have heavenly abilities.

For the living know that they but the dead know not anything neither have they anymore a reward for the memory of them is forgotten Also their love and their hatred and their envy is now perished; neither have they anymore a portion forever in anything that is done under the sun,
 

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That is why GOD took the tree of life from is so HE would have eternal sinners ,They had to have the tree to have eternal, So GOD took the tree of life so they would die. And that is why that after He destroy the sinners, He gives the tree of life back to the saved,so they can have eternal life again.
Revelation 22:14 Blessid are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life in may enter in through the gate into the city.
Guarded the tree with a flaming sword, the serpent said half the truth about not dying. of what was said about live forever could of happened if they had partake in both trees, but we know God didn’t allow that to happened
 

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Really? Everlasting fire means exactly that, never ending, with the focus being on those being punished within the fire, i.e. their torment in flame will be never-ending.

You're just using existing apologetics above! The destruction by fire of Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities was the death of the physical body. Jude uses this as an example of those who will suffer the punishment of eternal fire, which as the word eternal infers, will be never ending.

To be clear, the lake of fire, which was prepared for Satan and his angels, will never go out. Those who end up in there will experience eternal punishment in torment in flame, because of their sins against a Holy and righteous eternal God. They will have rejected His provision of salvation through His Son and those who do will suffer the penalty of eternal conscious punishment in the lake of fire, which is the state of death.

And that is the truth of God's word.
 

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behold they shall be as stubble the fire shell burn them they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame, there shall not be a coal to warm at nor a fire to set before it. it is not the fire that is eternal , It is what the fire dose, that will be eternal, they will be ashes for ever for the righteous will tread the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet,
MALACHI 4:1-3
 

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Guarded the tree with a flaming sword, the serpent said half the truth about not dying. of what was said about live forever could of happened if they had partake in both trees, but we know God didn’t allow that to happened
behold they shall be as stubble the fire shell burn them they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame, there shall not be a coal to warm at nor a fire to set before it. it is not the fire that is eternal , It is what the fire dose, that will be eternal, they will be ashes for ever for the righteous will tread the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet,
MALACHI 4:1-3

The tree is in HEAVEN now .
 

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What about Revelation 14:11ff (torment) and Revelation 21:8 (After new heaven and earth has been created, people still in the lake of fire)

Not trying to trick you or cause you to stumble in your beliefs, but to ask questions to learn how do we reconcile all the verses around this topic
The wicked will burn up on the earth the, after the new Jewusalem cone down .But he dose not recreate the earth till the wicked have burn up, end some will burn longer then other, for HE will reward them according to their works, after the wicked have burnt up HE will recreate the earth. when they have all burnt up then there will be no more death,
 

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What about Revelation 14:11ff (torment) and Revelation 21:8 (After new heaven and earth has been created, people still in the lake of fire)

Not trying to trick you or cause you to stumble in your beliefs, but to ask questions to learn how do we reconcile all the verses around this topic
I don't see your question as a trick and I wouldn't trick you either.

In Re.14:11, it's referring to the torment caused by the wrath of God being poured out on those who worship the beast (first 1/2 of vs.10). That torment occurs in their daily lives. The term "forever" is being used for their entire existence. The torment that occurs in Jesus's and the holy angels presence (second 1/2 of vs.10) is in addition to Gods wrath and occurs at the final judgment as their sins are being exposed. This torment doesn't go on eternally.

Rev.21:8 doesn't occur after the new heavens and earth.
 

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The soul is the breath of God, as we're told in Genesis. When the body, that is of dust dies, it returns to the dust. The soul that is the "breath" of Holy Spirit God returns to Holy Spirit God, from whence it came.
GOD told Adam that he would die, Satan told Eve that she would surely not die, Who do you believe ???????
If you believe that the soul, doesn't die, Who dose that ,say you believe, GOD OR Satan ???????
The soul is the breath of God, as we're told in Genesis. When the body, that is of dust dies, it returns to the dust. The soul that is the "breath" of Holy Spirit God returns to Holy Spirit God, from whence it came.

The Book of creation, which is Genesis,and chapter 2 verse 7 tells us, (Orthodox Jewish version of the Bible) And Hashem Elohim formed the adam of the aphar min haadamah, and breathed into his nostrils the nishmat chayyim; and the adam became a nefesh chayyah. [living soul]

5397. neshamah ►
Strong's Concordance
neshamah: breath
Original Word: נְשָׁמָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: neshamah
Phonetic Spelling: (nesh-aw-maw')
Definition: breath​

◄ 2425b. chayyim ►
Strong's Concordance
chayyim: life
Transliteration: chayyim
Definition: life​



5315. nephesh ►
Strong's Concordance
nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion​
Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
Definition: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion

2421b. chayyah
Strong's Concordance
chayyah: living thing, animal​
Transliteration: chayyah
Definition: living thing, animal​


Remember Your Creator
The Book of Ecclesiastes 12:6 Remember Him before the silver cord is snapped and the golden bowl is crushed, before the pitcher is shattered at the spring and the wheel is broken at the well, 7 before the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
JPS Tanakh 1917
Then the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The Epistle of 2nd Timothy chapter 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness
 

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GOD told Adam that he would die, Satan told Eve that she would surely not die, Who do you believe ???????
If you believe that the soul, doesn't die, Who dose that ,say you believe, GOD OR Satan ???????
Well everyone dies because we are all sinners.. But people should say that we never cease to exist.. Death is a transition it is not the end of a persons existence..

satan lied to Eve because Eve died.. So God is truthful in all His Word's..
 

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I don't see your question as a trick and I wouldn't trick you either.

In Re.14:11, it's referring to the torment caused by the wrath of God being poured out on those who worship the beast (first 1/2 of vs.10). That torment occurs in their daily lives. The term "forever" is being used for their entire existence. The torment that occurs in Jesus's and the holy angels presence (second 1/2 of vs.10) is in addition to Gods wrath and occurs at the final judgment as their sins are being exposed. This torment doesn't go on eternally.

Rev.21:8 doesn't occur after the new heavens and earth.

This is when the new Jewusalem comes down and the lost are Resurrected for their punishment, and they surround the city, and fire comes down from GOD out of Heaven and devours them, And after they have suffered for their sins, Some suffer more then other, For GOD reward them according to their works, After they have suffered for their sins, they will be brought to ashes, And then GOD will, renew the earth, And the righteous will tread the ashes of the wicked on the earth new earth just like Malachi 4:1-3 tells us, And GOD kingdom will last for ever, there will be no end.

GOD bless as HE sees fit.
 

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Well everyone dies because we are all sinners.. But people should say that we never cease to exist.. Death is a transition it is not the end of a persons existence..

satan lied to Eve because Eve died.. So God is truthful in all His Word's..
If he leaves them existing , it would make HIM a lier, He also will being back to the dust again. And GOD dose not lie.
 

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I don't see your question as a trick and I wouldn't trick you either.

In Re.14:11, it's referring to the torment caused by the wrath of God being poured out on those who worship the beast (first 1/2 of vs.10). That torment occurs in their daily lives. The term "forever" is being used for their entire existence. The torment that occurs in Jesus's and the holy angels presence (second 1/2 of vs.10) is in addition to Gods wrath and occurs at the final judgment as their sins are being exposed. This torment doesn't go on eternally.

Rev.21:8 doesn't occur after the new heavens and earth.
This is before JESUS comes back the second times, and the plugs are poured on the earth, right before JESUS comes the second time.
 

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Well everyone dies because we are all sinners.. But people should say that we never cease to exist.. Death is a transition it is not the end of a persons existence..

satan lied to Eve because Eve died.. So God is truthful in all His Word's..

Death is what the BIBLE says it is, Ecclesiastees 9:4-6 The BIBLE tells us what death is, The will not even have a Memory & no more love & no more hatred, & no more envy, AND NO MORE REWARD, This even for their sins, If they Existed AND suffered, that would make GOD a lier,
 

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If he leaves them existing , it would make HIM a lier, He also will being back to the dust again. And GOD dose not lie.
No God is not a liar.. Because death has NEVER been the end of a persons existence.. Our physical death is the end of our existence in the current imperfect flesh we now exist in.. Our current physical bodies go back to the dust that's for sure.. But we continue on forever and ever Either with God in His perfect eternal existence or in the Lake of Fire with satan and his fallen angels and the rest of those who rebelled against the will of God.
 

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No God is not a liar.. Because death has NEVER been the end of a persons existence.. Our physical death is the end of our existence in the current imperfect flesh we now exist in.. Our current physical bodies go back to the dust that's for sure.. But we continue on forever and ever Either with God in His perfect eternal existence or in the Lake of Fire with satan and his fallen angels and the rest of those who rebelled against the will of God.
WHERE is the BIBLE verses for what you are saying. IF GOD dose not bring them back to dust it would make HIM a LIER, BUT DEATH IS JUST WHAT ECCLESIASTES SAYS IT IS, THE ONLY, existence that they will have is the dust that is left, AND that is what GOD says,
 

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As for sinners existing forever in the lake of fire we read about the false prophet who will be a human being in the end times.. the following verse reveals what will happen to him on the day of the return of Jesus..

Revelation 19: KJV
20 "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Later on in the next chapter we find out that later after the 1000 year kingdom satan will be cast into the same Eternal lake of fire note what the following verses say about the false prophet..

Revelation 20: KJV
7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. {10} And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Note it has been a thousand years since the False prophet was cast into the lake of fire and he is still in the lake of fire in torment when satan is eventually cast into the lake of fire 1000years after.. And they shall continue to be tormented day and night forever and ever.. So no end of existence of the false prophet he will be spending eternity in the lake of fire..
 

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WHERE is the BIBLE verses for what you are saying. IF GOD dose not bring them back to dust it would make HIM a LIER, BUT DEATH IS JUST WHAT ECCLESIASTES SAYS IT IS, THE ONLY, existence that they will have is the dust that is left, AND that is what GOD says,
You keep on pointing to Ecclesiastes but you should read Ecclesiastes again and see where it teaches that the spirit of a man does not cease to exist after death.. Please read the following scriptures::

(Ecclesiastes 3:19-21) "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. {20} All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. {21} Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"

When does the spirit of a man go upward into heaven??? After death.. So then does a man cease to exist after death?? Nooo His spirit continues on forever and ever..
 

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You keep on pointing to Ecclesiastes but you should read Ecclesiastes again and see where it teaches that the spirit of a man does not cease to exist after death.. Please read the following scriptures::

(Ecclesiastes 3:19-21) "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. {20} All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. {21} Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"

When does the spirit of a man go upward into heaven??? After death.. So then does a man cease to exist after death?? Nooo His spirit continues on forever and ever..[/QUOTE
HE is telling you that it DON'T GO BACK TO HEAVEN, THAT MAN DOSN'T KNOW,
He is SAYING THAT MAN DOSN'T KNOW, HE tells US THAT THE BEAST AND THE MAN BOTH GO TO THE same PLACE, THEY BOTH GO BACK TO DUST AGAIN, AND WE SHOULD believe WHAT GOD says, AND NOT WHAT OUR MINDS TRY TO TELL US, BECAUSE Satan works to make us think that GOD lies, And GOD DON'T.
GOD bless as HE sees fit.