Why do people say that the soul don't die .When the BIBLE says, GOD says ALL souls are mine, the soul that sineth it shall die,

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Adstar

Senior Member
Jul 24, 2016
7,417
3,468
113
#61
Now you're just thrashing about in denial.. I have given you more then enough to show you that your belief is wrong..
 
Jan 4, 2020
1,506
266
83
66
washburn Tn
#62
Now you're just thrashing about in denial.. I have given you more then enough to show you that your belief is wrong..
YOU HAVE GIVEN ME NOTHING, THE VERSE in ecc , THAT YOU GIVE ME GO'S AGAINST YOU AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE, NOT WHAT I BELIEVE, THE VERSE THAT YOU GIVE ME IS FOR WHAT I BELIEVE, AND NOT WHAT YOU BELIEVE, AT ALL, HE TELLS US THAT THEY BOTH GO TO ONE PLACE, AND WHEN ASK THE ? HE is trying to tell you that man doesn't know, THAT comes from what Satan told Eve in the Garden.
GOD be with you as HE sees fit
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#63
I do not believe that you have study in the BIBLE on the word forever, a lot of the time it is not eternity
When this world is destroyed, How could you say, that time was still going. when it started with this world
, Don't you think that it makes since that when this world ends, that time will end also. And it also go's right a long with the BIBLE.
I would agree forever can mean until a person dies. For them it is forever.

If a person is given a new born again spirit they will rise on the last day and receive their new promised incorruptible bodies.

The wage of sin is death and not suffering for ever and ever without end .(Purgatory)

Suffering the wage of sin is called hell. It is the wrath of God being revealed from heaven .

Death as the letter of the law it will be cast into the jusgdemt fire never to rise and condemn another creation forever without end.

The judgment is set before one leaves this realm under the Sun.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#64
God says the wicked will go into eternal punishment forever and ever.

you say it's only a little while and then they don't exist.

you need to re-evaluate your position; you're contradicting Christ.

death is not ceasing to exist. the lake of fire is the second death and God says those cast in it - even death itself - are tormented forever and ever. eternally existing in a state of death, separated from the presence of God. they become as cinder and ash - existing as cinder and ashes.

been trying to explain this to you for weeks now, but you reject every scripture i remind you of without even pausing to consider.
maybe it's time i stop.
The Phoenix is a fictional idea. Nothing rises from spiritless, lifeless, ashes.

Its not those cast into it .Its death as to the letter of the law..It will not rise to new life just as those who died under the law having no faith according to the law of faith (the unseen) .
 
Jan 4, 2020
1,506
266
83
66
washburn Tn
#65
The Phoenix is a fictional idea. Nothing rises from spiritless, lifeless, ashes.

Its not those cast into it .Its death as to the letter of the law..It will not rise to new life just as those who died under the law having no faith according to the law of faith (the unseen) .
NO I'm Not contradicting CHRIST, They WIll BE turn into ashes to be for ever, AND that is eternal punishment, Ashes for ever. And their not coming back this time, BACK to dust just like GOD says.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#66
All you have to do is substitute "people" or "persons" for "souls", and the meaning is quite clear.

What that means is that the eternal destiny of all people is in the hands of God. Those who sin and remain in their sins will be eternally separated from God. While physical death is for all human being, eternal death (the second death) is only for those who have not been saved by grace, and been born again.

Souls and spirits are imperishable. Their eternal destiny is either in Heaven or in Hell.
I would offer. Their eternal destiny is either in death or life. Death is the opposite of life .Not a extension (limbo, purgatory).

God did not say you will surely suffer forever. Clearly he said surely die.

I think when a person makes smoke into a spiritual living substance as that which rises forever.This is where the difference is. It becomes a matter of faith. . the unseen revealed.. . . or not of us

The smoke of death rises up never to become spirit life for ever and ever more.

It would be like when Aaron's two Sons having a desire to enter the kingdom of priests. They added their own self edifying idea of adding strange fire as a personal touch a oral tradition of men. They were consumed and their ceremonial clothes did not have a hint of smoke. It was like God had smelt death .The aroma of self righteousness did not appeal to His good pleasure.

I would think only if we have the aroma of His Son the first born. like Jacob when he was given Esau fragrance blessing. A wonderful parable .

And he came near, and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the Lord hath blessed: Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine: Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee. Genisis 27:27-29

The dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine: The gospel that blesses the bride of Christ.


Like in Daniel when four were walking around no smell of death. . .

I would add one more idea to support what I would call . . . . the doctrine of the sweet savior of Christ.

2 Corinthians 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV) For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#67
NO I'm Not contradicting CHRIST, They WIll BE turn into ashes to be for ever, AND that is eternal punishment, Ashes for ever. And their not coming back this time, BACK to dust just like GOD says.
I am sorry I was agreeing with your offering .
 
Jan 4, 2020
1,506
266
83
66
washburn Tn
#68
I would offer. Their eternal destiny is either in death or life. Death is the opposite of life .Not a extension (limbo, purgatory).

God did not say you will surely suffer forever. Clearly he said surely die.

I think when a person makes smoke into a spiritual living substance as that which rises forever.This is where the difference is. It becomes a matter of faith. . the unseen revealed.. . . or not of us

The smoke of death rises up never to become spirit life for ever and ever more.

It would be like when Aaron's two Sons having a desire to enter the kingdom of priests. They added their own self edifying idea of adding strange fire as a personal touch a oral tradition of men. They were consumed and their ceremonial clothes did not have a hint of smoke. It was like God had smelt death .The aroma of self righteousness did not appeal to His good pleasure.

I would think only if we have the aroma of His Son the first born. like Jacob when he was given Esau fragrance blessing. A wonderful parable .

And he came near, and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the Lord hath blessed: Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine: Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee. Genisis 27:27-29

The dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine: The gospel that blesses the bride of Christ.


Like in Daniel when four were walking around no smell of death. . .

I would add one more idea to support what I would call . . . . the doctrine of the sweet savior of Christ.

2 Corinthians 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV) For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
So According to what you say GOD lied When HE says they will be Dust, They will NOT have Memory, They will not have love , They will not have hatred, they will not have Envy, AND THEY WILL HAVE NO MORE REWARD. Ecc, 9:5 And you say they are going be punish by SEPARATION from GOD, THIS WOULD BE A REWARD, AND MAKE GOD A LIER, And GOD doesn't lie. GOD bless as HE sees fit
 

Journeyman

Well-known member
Jan 10, 2019
2,107
763
113
#69
God has reasons for everything he does. There are reasons why God allows suffering in the lives of people, but there is no reason for eternal suffering.
 
Jan 4, 2020
1,506
266
83
66
washburn Tn
#70
I would offer. Their eternal destiny is either in death or life. Death is the opposite of life .Not a extension (limbo, purgatory).

God did not say you will surely suffer forever. Clearly he said surely die.

I think when a person makes smoke into a spiritual living substance as that which rises forever.This is where the difference is. It becomes a matter of faith. . the unseen revealed.. . . or not of us

The smoke of death rises up never to become spirit life for ever and ever more.

It would be like when Aaron's two Sons having a desire to enter the kingdom of priests. They added their own self edifying idea of adding strange fire as a personal touch a oral tradition of men. They were consumed and their ceremonial clothes did not have a hint of smoke. It was like God had smelt death .The aroma of self righteousness did not appeal to His good pleasure.

I would think only if we have the aroma of His Son the first born. like Jacob when he was given Esau fragrance blessing. A wonderful parable .

And he came near, and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the Lord hath blessed: Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine: Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee. Genisis 27:27-29

The dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine: The gospel that blesses the bride of Christ.


Like in Daniel when four were walking around no smell of death. . .

I would add one more idea to support what I would call . . . . the doctrine of the sweet savior of Christ.

2 Corinthians 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV) For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
To say that SOUL dose not die MAKES GOD A lier, EZEKIEL 18:4, GOD says ALL SOUL are MINE, the soul that sinneth it shall DIE, I BELIEVE GOD,AND NOT what man says,
 
Jan 4, 2020
1,506
266
83
66
washburn Tn
#71
God has reasons for everything he does. There are reasons why God allows suffering in the lives of people, but there is no reason for eternal suffering.
GOD says THERE will be no more suffering and pain, when the new earth comes, FOR to that the wicked will be suffering WOULD make GOD A LIER, AND TO those that love the LORD, KNOWs THAT HE DOSN'T LIE. GOD bless as HE sees fit
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
24,167
12,764
113
#72
God did not say you will surely suffer forever. Clearly he said surely die.
You are mistakenly isolating one verse from the total teaching on the eternal destiny of souls. And you are at the same time denying the reality of eternal Hell. Only the cults do that. So kindly read and study the words of Christ in Mark 9.
 

Journeyman

Well-known member
Jan 10, 2019
2,107
763
113
#73
GOD says THERE will be no more suffering and pain, when the new earth comes, FOR to that the wicked will be suffering WOULD make GOD A LIER, AND TO those that love the LORD, KNOWs THAT HE DOSN'T LIE. GOD bless as HE sees fit
Yes bud62, you're right. The idea of suffering with no end is against the character of God.
 

Whispered

Well-known member
Aug 17, 2019
4,551
2,229
113
www.christiancourier.com
#74
To say that SOUL dose not die MAKES GOD A lier, EZEKIEL 18:4, GOD says ALL SOUL are MINE, the soul that sinneth it shall DIE, I BELIEVE GOD,AND NOT what man says,
Soul = 5315. nephesh ►
Strong's Concordance
nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion​
Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
Definition: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion​
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#75
You are mistakenly isolating one verse from the total teaching on the eternal destiny of souls. And you are at the same time denying the reality of eternal Hell. Only the cults do that. So kindly read and study the words of Christ in Mark 9.
Not sure how I could separate the leter of the law from the letter?

God did not say you will surely suffer forever. Clearly he said surely die. Like that in James 2 .Body without the spirit essence of life is dead just as a faith that does not come from hearing God .No spirit, no work. Know the Spirit of Christ know the work of God as Emmanuel works in us with us

And know I am not denying the reality of eternal Hell but rather revealing it . It is being revealed from heaven from the first day it was pronounced dead the glory had left.. A dying creation temporally living in a body of death .

As we are informed in 2 Corinthians 4:18 using the temporal things seen look to the unseen glory, not seen.


For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Roman 1 18-25
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#76
To say that SOUL dose not die MAKES GOD A lier, EZEKIEL 18:4, GOD says ALL SOUL are MINE, the soul that sinneth it shall DIE, I BELIEVE GOD,AND NOT what man says,

Yes it would make God out to be a lar. He is not a man as us
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#77
God has reasons for everything he does. There are reasons why God allows suffering in the lives of people, but there is no reason for eternal suffering.

Exactly .He is a God of mercy .Not vengeance .Mercy triumphs over eternal vengeance

God cannot violate his own law.

James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment

He has judgnment without mercy now .A living hell for those who know Him not. No sabbath rest for them in there work.
 
Jan 4, 2020
1,506
266
83
66
washburn Tn
#78
Not sure how I could separate the leter of the law from the letter?

God did not say you will surely suffer forever. Clearly he said surely die. Like that in James 2 .Body without the spirit essence of life is dead just as a faith that does not come from hearing God .No spirit, no work. Know the Spirit of Christ know the work of God as Emmanuel works in us with us

And know I am not denying the reality of eternal Hell but rather revealing it . It is being revealed from heaven from the first day it was pronounced dead the glory had left.. A dying creation temporally living in a body of death .

As we are informed in 2 Corinthians 4:18 using the temporal things seen look to the unseen glory, not seen.


For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Roman 1 18-25
ISAIAH 47:14 Behold they shall be a stubble The fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to see it before it.
MALACHI 4:1-3 And Ye shall trade down the wicked for they shall be Ashes under the souls of your feet in the day that I shall do this sayeth the Lord of hosts.
GOD bless as he sees fit.
 

Whispered

Well-known member
Aug 17, 2019
4,551
2,229
113
www.christiancourier.com
#79
Yes it would make God out to be a lar. He is not a man as us
The soul is of God. If the soul can die then a part of God can die. The Hebrew language and words make for more than one meaning. The soul cannot die, as it is the breath of God. It is the body, the being, human, that dies. Soul = 5315. nephesh ►
 

Journeyman

Well-known member
Jan 10, 2019
2,107
763
113
#80
Exactly .He is a God of mercy .Not vengeance .Mercy triumphs over eternal vengeance

God cannot violate his own law.

James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment

He has judgnment without mercy now .A living hell for those who know Him not. No sabbath rest for them in there work.
Hey agree. I believe God shows mercy to all, but if people reject it, then all that is left for them is judgement.