Why do so many Christians end up in Hell?

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Jackson123

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No Christian will end up in hell.

Christians go to heaven; non-Christians go to hell.

What some might call real Christians are simply Christians. What some might call luke-warm Christians are non-Christians. My point is simply that the person who believes in Christ is a Christian. The one who does not believe is not a Christian. Don't use the term Christian for a non-believer and then call a believer a "real" Christian.

Of course I am not saying that you or I can look at a person and tell whether or not they are a Christian.
At least Jesus inform us few go to heaven.

Matt 7

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

I agree Christian go to heaven, but not every one that call Jesus God go to heaven, call Jesus Lord mean believe that Jesus God, but Jesus say not go to heaven.

So what do you mean by believe in Jesus? Believe Jesus is God?
 

Chester

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At least Jesus inform us few go to heaven.

Matt 7

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

I agree Christian go to heaven, but not every one that call Jesus God go to heaven, call Jesus Lord mean believe that Jesus God, but Jesus say not go to heaven.

So what do you mean by believe in Jesus? Believe Jesus is God?
There are different levels and types of believing - even the devils "believe" (James 2:19). The believing I was referring to is a saving faith that results in salvation.

Believing that Jesus is God is of course part of a saving faith; but a true saving faith in not just an intellectual belief in a fact.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Why are so many dreams seen as reality, when it is love that came to town. People tormented is too common a theme, when it is forgiveness and grace that is our message to lost souls.
We all know hell on earth, but heaven on earth few taste.
 

Jackson123

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There are different levels and types of believing - even the devils "believe" (James 2:19). The believing I was referring to is a saving faith that results in salvation.

Believing that Jesus is God is of course part of a saving faith; but a true saving faith in not just an intellectual belief in a fact.
Jesus God is fact.

So If you believe Jesus God, you believe fact.

I do not know what do you mean by an intelektual believe.

Anyway Jesus say to These people that call Him Lord not go to heaven because they do not doing the Will of the father, verse 21

Jesus not say because your believe is intelectual believe

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
 

mailmandan

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Anyway Jesus say to These people that call Him Lord not go to heaven because they do not doing the Will of the father, verse 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Trusting in works for salvation is not believing in Him. It's believing in works. *Notice in verse 23 that Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved.
 

Roughsoul1991

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We all are going through trials at certain points of our life when Satan makes requests of God to swift us and sadly many fall and do not stand up. Is it because they are lukewarm Christians or lacking of faith?
Dont let the normal few make you feel unwelcomed. Some doctrines like the trinity or Jesus as the Messiah should be heavily defended but others like the doctrines I mention below only separate the churches.

Just in case you dont pick up on the 2 doctrines that will come into debate over this question. One believes that a Christian once saved cannot lose faith and lose salvation while the other belief talks about the dangers of falling away or being led away by false teachers can in fact if the individual who once believed later in life loses their faith and denies the Savior then the individual could lose their salvation.

Either way this has been debated by scholars for centuries and probably will be until Christ returns. Really not important other than we do see Christians who walk away from the faith due to hardships or cultural pressures.

The only thing we know exactly is no matter if they are still saved or not, their destination is going to be filled with pain from living a rebellious lifestyle and should help and pray for them.

The topic of Hell will also bring you different doctrines. Some believe no one is currently in Hell and everyone dead is in a soul sleep. This lines us with the 7th day Adventists. Awaiting for judgment day.

Some believe Hell is eternal.

Some believe Hell is experienced after death and in Revelations the second death destroys Hell and all the souls within it. They say this is God's final offer of mercy and not eternal punishment.

Either way the topic of Hell has also been debated for centuries. Still the only thing that matters is that Hell exists and you only have in life the opportunity to accept the grace of God.

Also your question kinda sounds like the thoughts are coming from the interaction between the Devil and God at the beginning of the poem Job. Some believe that because Job is written like a Hebrew poem that the interaction was not the normal interaction between God and Satan but more of a touch of literary imagery.

Some believe regardless of poetry it means exactly what it says.

But anyways we do not see the heart of others or know their future like God. They may return or maybe not. Many reasons for why people lose faith. A lukewarm believer in scripture has a very stern warning and shouldnt take for granted God's patience with rebellion. The usual reasons are because of selfish fleshy desires like sex, money, or power. Others it is emotional as in they was hurt in some way by a church, individual, or thoughts that God didn't heal their child etc. A small percent is intellectual as in they dont see the evidence.

Often times the selfish desires will hide behind the emotional or intellectual reasons. As with these they truly do not care if God exists or if Christianity is true. No amount of evidence could convince them.

Hope this helps. May be confusing because of people cherry picking doctrines without explaining the roots of their beliefs. I wish we could be one congregation or one sect of Christianity but unfortunately we disagree on certain doctrines. Thankfully most congregations are united on the core doctrines and for the most part work towards the greater good.
 

Jackson123

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John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

Trusting in works for salvation is not believing in Him. It's believing in works. *Notice in verse 23 that Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved.
Yes the Will of the father is believing the son

But Jesus say a Lot of people call Him Lord but not go to heaven.

If one call Him Lord, mean he believe that Jesus or the Son is God

So that person doing the Will of God

Yes that person say they do prophecy, but that person do not say they believe salvation by work.

That person think that because he prophecy mean he already save.

And Jesus not say, because you believe salvation by work so you not save, but you not do the Will of the father.

The verse that you quote is the Will of the father, to believe the Son

And what is that mean?

That mean believe not only the fact that Jesus is God, but believe all His information or teaching

And what is His teaching

His teaching is to love God and love your neighbors

So If a man only believe that Jesus is God but not love Jesus, he not save

And If a man say love Jesus and not love fellow man he is Lie.

1 John 4:20 King James Version (KJV)

20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

King James Version (KJV)

And to love other man is a Lot of work

For Example If the poor do not have food, because of love you may need to cook for him, and It is a work
 

oyster67

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Nobody is in heaven or hell yet! I believe the dead are asleep. Paul may have said: to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. OK, to close your eyes at night: presto - it is morning. It is the same principal.

Nobody is in heaven yet: John 3:13: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." They are asleep.

Acts 2:29: "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."

Acts 2:34, 35: "For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool."

All the OT patriarchs are mentioned in Heb.11 and none of them have received their reward yet. Heb. 12 is just a reference to Mount Zion which is new Jerusalem, yet future. Heb. 11:40: "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect." New Jerusalem is being prepared and is coming to earth with the "many mansions" that the father is preparing.

Nobody is going to heaven. Heaven (the Kingdom of) is coming to earth. At least until the 1000 years are over. But even then New Jerusalem will be here.
Heaven (the Kingdom of) is coming to earth. Rev. 5:10: "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Rev. 20:6: "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."


From this, we can deduce nobody is in heaven and nobody is going there.

The following was excerpted from another posting I had saved that answers NDEs.


Be aware that Sheol and Hades simply refers to the grave. Our doctrine of a dwelling place of the dead is inserted into Strong's Concordance as a reference. The reference in Revelation where they are tormented day and night forever, their smoke ascending forever could refer to something captured on film, therefore forever preserved. The reference in Mark 9:44: "Where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched" I believe is another example of that. It just does not make sense of a maggot that never dies.

All said, as I stated before all scripture has to fit together, in what we teach, or none of it is valid. Some things were presented in parables with figurative speech. Some things maybe we don't quite understand yet. God will not reveal some things until He is ready for us to know. I feel Lazarus and the rich man is a parable despite the proper names.
I really like your open-mindedness about time related issues in the spiritual realm. If things like the rapture happen in the twinkling of an eye, then time will behave in a vastly different way. Modern physics even follows this principle. When a body dies, the soulish part could enter into a rapid transit in such a way that they would all meet the destination (rapture day) at the same point in spacetime. From our point of view, it would look like soul sleep. All of this is pure conjecture, of course, but I don't think it contradicts scripture either.
 

TLC209

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We all are going through trials at certain points of our life when Satan makes requests of God to swift us and sadly many fall and do not stand up. Is it because they are lukewarm Christians or lacking of faith?
Welcome to CC. Hopefully your question was answered. It is a little of both. As well as distractions.

I wanted to share this youtube video with you only because you mentioned you like watching those sort of videos.

This video is really powerful. The vision this guy had is really deep and gives really good insight into our minds and how the devil uses them.

Regardless if you trust youtube or believe the guy to be genuine, it will still open your mind to think what ways are we allowing ourselves to be distracted.

 

Deade

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I really like your open-mindedness about time related issues in the spiritual realm. If things like the rapture happen in the twinkling of an eye, then time will behave in a vastly different way. Modern physics even follows this principle. When a body dies, the soulish part could enter into a rapid transit in such a way that they would all meet the destination (rapture day) at the same point in spacetime. From our point of view, it would look like soul sleep. All of this is pure conjecture, of course, but I don't think it contradicts scripture either.
I like your attitude Oyster. You understand that we are currently looking through glass darkly (1 Cor. 13:12). Most jump in here thinking they have all the answers. The ego is driving many while looking for God's truths. With humility, we just might learn something.

The following is for calibob: His question:

@Deade I'm on board with you regarding those who have rejected Christ. My next question is about Lucifer, Beelzebub and the Demons that worship and served them while they murdered and tormented us. Do you believe that they too will become incinerated or do you think that the Lord will have a special place for them? Inquiring minds want to know.
Here is the fate of all evildoers, including Satan and his minions.

Eze. 28:14 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." This establishes identity!

Eze. 28:18, 19 "Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

When God is done with them: The demons, the devil, death, the grave (hell) and even the evil doers will be completely destroyed in the lake of fire. God will keep a record of these events as a memorial that lasts forever. 3spin-grin.gif
 

TLC209

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Your title question is patently ridiculous on several levels.

First, you have no firsthand knowledge of where anyone ends up, so your question is speculative.

Second, your understanding of the concept of "Christian" is suspect at best.

Third, you have titled your first thread with an inflammatory question bordering on heresy, which is a good way to get yourself written off as a self-appointed prophet, whack-job, troll, or otherwise eminently ignorable person.

Maybe next time, don't boldly demonstrate your ignorance of basic Christian theology.

Oh... and welcome to CC.
Dino..

His concept of Christian and what his OP implies are correct.

I believe GyO is addressing people who are outwardly "professing" to be Christian but yet do not have faith or have become lukewarm.

We should address them as Christian regardless of their true status. How else will they take heed to strict warning in the bible if we were to say "people" are going to hell for lack of faith or lukewarm?

Someone who believes he or she is Christian will be under false premise that they do not fall in that category. And we would be failing to acknowledge the danger they are in. Sounds like a persons pride or ego to be the outcome of someone who denies they are in danger of hell if they are lukewarm.

So the OP I believe wants to further discuss this very real topic that affects the Christian community. While you on the other hand as well as others want to differentiate between fake Christian vs real Christians and saying his terminology is wrong. When in actuallity the sad truth is GyOs terminology is CORRECT.

Terminology and scriptural truth are 2 different things. Scripture says only those who have been born again and recieved the Holy Spirit will enter into Gods kingdom. That is not what the OP is discussing. He isnt discussing who is a Christian and who isnt.

Let me put it this way, do you believe that some of your congregation members may be in danger of hell.. meaning that they are not true Christians or dont have faith or have become luke warm?

It is also irrelevent whether or not they go straight to hell or wait to be sentenced and judged. The outcome is still hell. I wouldnt want to be waiting for that verdict, Either way.
 

Dino246

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Dino..

His concept of Christian and what his OP implies are correct.

I believe GyO is addressing people who are outwardly "professing" to be Christian but yet do not have faith or have become lukewarm.

We should address them as Christian regardless of their true status. How else will they take heed to strict warning in the bible if we were to say "people" are going to hell for lack of faith or lukewarm?

Someone who believes he or she is Christian will be under false premise that they do not fall in that category. And we would be failing to acknowledge the danger they are in. Sounds like a persons pride or ego to be the outcome of someone who denies they are in danger of hell if they are lukewarm.

So the OP I believe wants to further discuss this very real topic that affects the Christian community. While you on the other hand as well as others want to differentiate between fake Christian vs real Christians and saying his terminology is wrong. When in actuallity the sad truth is GyOs terminology is CORRECT.

Terminology and scriptural truth are 2 different things. Scripture says only those who have been born again and recieved the Holy Spirit will enter into Gods kingdom. That is not what the OP is discussing. He isnt discussing who is a Christian and who isnt.

Let me put it this way, do you believe that some of your congregation members may be in danger of hell.. meaning that they are not true Christians or dont have faith or have become luke warm?

It is also irrelevent whether or not they go straight to hell or wait to be sentenced and judged. The outcome is still hell. I wouldnt want to be waiting for that verdict, Either way.
I appreciate your post, because you actually explained your disagreement with me instead of merely posting a red X. For that you have my respect.

I made it clear that I was addressing the title of the thread. I didn't address the body of the opening post, though I understand your position.
 

calibob

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I like your attitude Oyster. You understand that we are currently looking through glass darkly (1 Cor. 13:12). Most jump in here thinking they have all the answers. The ego is driving many while looking for God's truths. With humility, we just might learn something.

The following is for calibob: His question:


Here is the fate of all evildoers, including Satan and his minions.

Eze. 28:14 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." This establishes identity!

Eze. 28:18, 19 "Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

When God is done with them: The demons, the devil, death, the grave (hell) and even the evil doers will be completely destroyed in the lake of fire. God will keep a record of these events as a memorial that lasts forever. View attachment 202869
Thanks @Deade Your input is always welcome my brother.
 

TLC209

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I appreciate your post, because you actually explained your disagreement with me instead of merely posting a red X. For that you have my respect.

I made it clear that I was addressing the title of the thread. I didn't address the body of the opening post, though I understand your position.
I appreciate ur respect. Thanks Dino.

So do you agree that some of our church members are in lukewarm water and need to wake up? I think GYO makes a good point. What do you suggest?
 

Dino246

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I appreciate ur respect. Thanks Dino.

So do you agree that some of our church members are in lukewarm water and need to wake up? I think GYO makes a good point. What do you suggest?
Church "members" who have not accepted the atoning sacrifice of Jesus on their behalf are in exactly the same position as atheists, murderers, and deviants: unsaved and in need of the gospel. Church "membership" never got anyone out of hell (despite what the Catholics teach).

Those who are lukewarm need to be nudged (or jolted) into realizing that they are either squandering the most precious gift conceivable, or are not actually saved in the first place. They would do well to examine themselves and proceed accordingly.
 

calibob

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We all are going through trials at certain points of our life when Satan makes requests of God to swift us and sadly many fall and do not stand up. Is it because they are lukewarm Christians or lacking of faith?
I thinking you are using the word Hell metaphoricly and not as in Why will so many Christians wind up in the lake of fire? So I you mean the latter I think the only logical answer would be; 'Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit'. which would unchristianize any one who would intentionally do so. We can't lose salvation but if we should start preaching a false Gospel, while knowing better and become money grubbing idolaters we didn't lose anything we threw it away.
 

Nehemiah6

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THIS POST IS VERY MISLEADING AND NOT ENTIRELY BASED ON SCRIPTURE
I don't think there's anyone in Hell yet because the resurrection for judgement hasn't happened yet.
If by this you mean that no one is in the Lake of Fire as yet, that is correct.
They are in the ground waiting for it.
This is TOTALLY FALSE. There are no souls and spirits six feet under. Just little furry creatures. When humans die, their bodies are interred in their graves. However their souls and spirits either go to Heaven immediately (if saved) or go to Hades (if not saved). And Hades is in the heart of the earth, or the lower parts of the earth, according to Christ. That would be near the core of the earth.
If everyone who died is already in heaven or hell then who will be resurrected to be judged?
Resurrection pertains to the bodies which have turned to dust. At the *first resurrection* the Lord Himself brings the souls and spirits of departed saints with Him, and gives them resurrected and glorified bodies. THE SAINTS WILL NOT FACE JUDGMENT. However, at the resurrection of damnation (the second resurrection), all the unsaved dead are given bodies and then judged at the Great White Throne (Rev 20). These are the ones who face judgment.
The graves would be empty of souls.
The graves never did have souls to begin with. Just bodies.
And speaking of judgement, we can't know if a Christian will go to Hell because it's God's judgement to make.
Now this remark shows total ignorance about salvation and the finished work of Christ. Christians -- by definition -- do not face Hell.
If he decides to have mercy on someone who in our eyes deserves hell, what is it to us? Everyone deserves hell!
God will have mercy on all those who obey the Gospel. If all would repent and believe all would be saved. And once they have been justified by grace through faith, they receive the gift of eternal life. NO GENUINE CHRISTIAN WILL EVER FACE HELL.

This OP is purely nonsensical, and Satan loves to bring such foolish ideas before people.
 

calibob

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Church "members" who have not accepted the atoning sacrifice of Jesus on their behalf are in exactly the same position as atheists, murderers, and deviants: unsaved and in need of the gospel. Church "membership" never got anyone out of hell (despite what the Catholics teach).

Those who are lukewarm need to be nudged (or jolted) into realizing that they are either squandering the most precious gift conceivable, or are not actually saved in the first place. They would do well to examine themselves and proceed accordingly.
The way we do things and why we do them will determine our roles in the next realm, after the tribulation. Some of the least among us will be great and some of the Greatest will be the least. The woman that was healed of 7 demons and washed the Lords feet may become more respected and have a greater role than say Billy Graham.