Why does God oppose Judaizing?

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here is my post 58 from several days ago. I suspect blik is more than a little angry. so blik, you say I do not post scripture? I don't think your entire threads contain as much scripture from you as I put in this one post!

in this post, are contained verses that illustrate that Jesus is our High Priest. you have 0 comprehension regarding what this means

19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God

Christianity is NOT Old Testament law(s)

Christianity is belief in Jesus Christ or the Messiah.

the only blood through which a person receives forgiveness is through HIS blood

10 For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very [a]form of things, [b]can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins? 3 But in [c]those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year. 4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says,

“Sacrifice and offering You have not desired,
But a body You have prepared for Me;
6 In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have taken no pleasure.

7 “Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come
(In the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
To do Your will, O God.’”
8 After saying above, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have not desired, nor have You taken pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the Law), 9 then He [d]said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second. 10 By [e]this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for [f]sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time onward until His enemies be made a footstool for His feet. 14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are [g]sanctified. 15 And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws upon their heart,
And on their mind I will write them,”


He then says,

17 “And their sins and their lawless deeds
I will remember no more.”
18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.

A New and Living Way
19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a [h]sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, 25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

scripture REFUTES what you say regarding sacrifice, obeying the law and judaizing

judaizing is what people do when they want to add to salvation through works...like you have done in other threads

there is only one way to God and only one sacrifice that is needed

the rest is not of God which only leaves one option and is of the opposite spirit
 
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By telling us Christ fulfilled the law, what do you mean? Is it that because we can be forgiven for breaking any law, that now we are freed from the law, free to lie, cheat and steal without it affecting our life in any negative way?

more confusion from Blik

she does not understand what Christ accomplished

she thinks I am saying that we are free to sin
 
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is constantly lying about what others say...such as saying you don't post scripture when post are nothing but scripture or a site is sourced that contains much scripture....report worthy?

I'm not sure that it is...but heresy is reportable

however, I believe blik is terribly confused and angry when you show her that scripture does not agree with her 'studies'
 

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Yes "Judaizing"as how to the faithless Jews did dishonor to the feasts as shadows of the good thing to come. Shadow worshipers, sign and wonder seekers. Show us a miracle then we believe. . exercise faith. . .

Signs for those who rebel. Prophecy the tongue of God for those who believe God.
Your ability to not pay attention simply amazes me. Read the title of the thread... does it say anything about feasts? NO!

You clearly don't know anything about Judaizers either. Please stop inventing definitions.
 

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I know this is what is being taught in the churches nowadays, but unfortunately you are being fed muddy water. It is important to understand the feasts of God and that the Bible was written by Jews for Jews. They understood the feasts and Pesach was from Friday to Sunday.

Jewish way of thinking is if something happens minutes before a new day it counts for a full day. Jesus was crucified and died by 3 o'clock Friday afternoon (that is one day), then it was the Sabbath (Saturday) and then the first day of the week (Sunday) that started the Saturday evening.

We should not add to scripture :)
I totally agree with that last part because Jesus said He would be in the earth for three days and three nights. Thinking He was crucified on Friday and resurrected on Sunday does not meet that timeline.
 

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I have gone back to read some of your posts. They are full of hot air. You state things like that the OT law is no more, Christ did away with it, yet in black and white Christ says He didn't change them. You state that Paul put off stating to obey the law, no scripture backup or explanation. Actually, Paul went into detailed explanations that we are to obey the law but not the ceremonial law. That is what this thread is asking, if the feasts are ceremonial law or not.

You put all kinds of words in my mouth, words that are only in your own head. Here is a quote: "personally, you can follow Ho chi minh...what I find grievous, is that you deny what you actually do and try to ADD to salvation, which brings upon the person who does so an actual curse" So! Unless we lie, cheat, and steal we are cursed. !!!

You define judaizing as something added to salvation! Saved is saved done through faith, how is it possible to add to it? I am to have said life is not in the blood. You don't say how you came up with that idea, it isn't mine.

You say it is an error that Christ is our high priest when scripture tells us He is. One post actually repeated some of the things said here from scripture, saying you are telling us.
Many who don't study the history behind scripture are thinking Saul is condemning God's Holy Days in the book of Galatians chapter 4. He's not. He's warning the Galatians, who were Gentile converts to the faith, not to fall back into the holy day rites of their former pagan faith.
God said many things He ordained in the Old Testament are to be honored forever. God knows what He means when He says forever.
Yours is not heresy dear heart. It is diligent study not appreciated by we who do not commit to such. Stand in the light, you'll never fall even to threats.

I know articles that help educate as pertains to the meat of scripture aren't well received here however, those who do wish to study will likely take advantage of this opportunity. I've had this article in Favorites for years. Enjoy. :)
Does Paul Condemn Observing God's Holy Days?
 

Whispered

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non-responsive to what I said in my earlier post.

the romans did not invent sunday worship, there are several references to sunday worship in the N.T.

, as far as paganism goes, you and I and everyone else were born on a day in month, both named after pagan gods, in a year invented by pope Gregory ...
That's odd since in your post #145 you agreed with post you're now claiming is "unresponsive".
Post #145
I actually agree on the thur. ( by our way of keeping days) crucifiction .

but, as the O.P. just said an hour or so ago, no one knows exactly when Christ rose.

but, the women went the next morning, at least 12 hours after the Sabbath ended..
 

Blik

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non-responsive to what I said in my earlier post.

the romans did not invent sunday worship, there are several references to sunday worship in the N.T.

, as far as paganism goes, you and I and everyone else were born on a day in month, both named after pagan gods, in a year invented by pope Gregory ...
Nimrod invented Sunday worship, he said the sun was god, so sun day.
 
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Many who don't study the history behind scripture are thinking Saul is condemning God's Holy Days in the book of Galatians chapter 4. He's not. He's warning the Galatians, who were Gentile converts to the faith, not to fall back into the holy day rites of their former pagan faith.
God said many things He ordained in the Old Testament are to be honored forever. God knows what He means when He says forever.
Yours is not heresy dear heart. It is diligent study not appreciated by we who do not commit to such. Stand in the light, you'll never fall even to threats.

I know articles that help educate as pertains to the meat of scripture aren't well received here however, those who do wish to study will likely take advantage of this opportunity. I've had this article in Favorites for years. Enjoy. :)
Does Paul Condemn Observing God's Holy Days?

well what do we have here?

thinks links to a site put out by something called 'Church of the Great God'

The Church of the Great God (CGG) is one of the Armstrongist Churches of God. It broke away in 1992 from the Worldwide Church of God in the wake of the major shifts in its doctrine during the 1980s and 1990s.[1] The CGG, headquartered in Fort Mill, South Carolina, continues to follow the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong.

just keeps getting better

non-Trinitarian and observes the Sabbath

this explains alot
 

Blik

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Many who don't study the history behind scripture are thinking Saul is condemning God's Holy Days in the book of Galatians chapter 4. He's not. He's warning the Galatians, who were Gentile converts to the faith, not to fall back into the holy day rites of their former pagan faith.
God said many things He ordained in the Old Testament are to be honored forever. God knows what He means when He says forever.
Yours is not heresy dear heart. It is diligent study not appreciated by we who do not commit to such. Stand in the light, you'll never fall even to threats.

I know articles that help educate as pertains to the meat of scripture aren't well received here however, those who do wish to study will likely take advantage of this opportunity. I've had this article in Favorites for years. Enjoy. :)
Does Paul Condemn Observing God's Holy Days?
I feel so blessed to have someone recognize my days and days spent deep in study of God's word.
 

Whispered

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well what do we have here?

thinks links to a site put out by something called 'Church of the Great God'

The Church of the Great God (CGG) is one of the Armstrongist Churches of God. It broke away in 1992 from the Worldwide Church of God in the wake of the major shifts in its doctrine during the 1980s and 1990s.[1] The CGG, headquartered in Fort Mill, South Carolina, continues to follow the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong.

just keeps getting better

non-Trinitarian and observes the Sabbath

this explains alot
Yes, it does. Inability and chronic protestation against education in Apologetics, since all at that link is in the Bible. And predicated upon priority for sarcasm. Now I know why the Apologetics acumen here is in deficit among some of our sisters and brothers who choose to express sarcasm, cutting idioms, Ad Hom's, thinking that disguises the fact. My prayers are with you all.
 

Whispered

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I feel so blessed to have someone recognize my days and days spent deep in study of God's word.
We are all blessed when we spend time in our Father's arms. :) His words are a comfort, like a lullaby at times when we are troubled or afraid. Do you find that?
I'm sorry that you are the target of slings and arrows. :( The Holy Spirit guides understanding. I think if we enter study thinking to read the Bible as we would any work of literature we will miss the message.
 
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Yes, it does. Inability and chronic protestation against education in Apologetics, since all at that link is in the Bible. And predicated upon priority for sarcasm. Now I know why the Apologetics acumen here is in deficit among some of our sisters and brothers who choose to express sarcasm, cutting idioms, Ad Hom's, thinking that disguises the fact. My prayers are with you all.

oh give it a rest

I find you less and less believable

the problem is where one goes for their education

and of course you have never ever said one sarcastic word on this forum

I can see your nose growing from here

your prayers ? with all your love no less? :rolleyes:
 
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following is an excerpt from the site linked to by whispered:

Through the centuries, theologians have devised many arguments to do away with the observance of God's holy days. They propose that various scriptures in the New Testament obviate the need for Christians to keep the days which God's law specifically says are holy to Him (Leviticus 23:2).

A favorite target of theirs is Galatians 4:9-10, in which Paul expresses his frustration with the Galatians because they had returned to certain religious practices. He calls these practices "weak and beggarly elements" and says they were again "in bondage" to them.


The traditional, mainstream Protestant explanation of Galatians 4:9-10 is that Paul is reprimanding the Galatians for returning to Old Testament observances that were a form of "bondage." Insisting that Paul taught that the Old Testament law was "done away," they conclude that Christians should not keep the days that God had commanded Israel to keep.

this is a site that speaks to the errant views of non-Trinitarians and tries to create the impression that Protestants do not understand scripture
 
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for a comparison chart on what Christians believe as compared to the Church of God, which whispered is quoting, you can follow
THIS link

HERE ARE A FEW SAMPLE DIFFERENCES

Salvation is received by faith in Jesus Christ (life, death, and resurrection) and not by our works

"Though salvation cannot be earned through works of the law, the keeping of the ten commandments [and God's other commandments] is nonetheless required as a condition to receive [and keep your] salvation."


Along with believing, in order to become a child of God you must be baptized by immersion in water (unless water baptism is not possible for some reason), and keep all of God's commandments.

Notes: The Church of the Great God (cgg.org) is best known for its website, TheBerean.org, as well as its other online publications. At first appearing to be a sound Christian website, the Church of the Great God denies key doctrines such as the singularity of God, the Trinity, Salvation through Faith alone, and denial of an eternal Hell, among others.

it appears that the beliefs that have been brought into the conversations are from this site
 
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Also among the dead were Moses, Solomon, David, Saul, Adam, Eve and I could go on and on.

uh huh

but you don't quote any of those other people as having invented Sunday as a day of worship

so do go on and tell us a man whose history is written in the book of Genesis somehow invented Sunday as a worship day

and don't forget to quote your sources

flippant answers only work when they have at least an element of truth rather no bearing on reality whatsoever
 

Blik

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for a comparison chart on what Christians believe as compared to the Church of God, which whispered is quoting, you can follow
THIS link

HERE ARE A FEW SAMPLE DIFFERENCES

Salvation is received by faith in Jesus Christ (life, death, and resurrection) and not by our works

"Though salvation cannot be earned through works of the law, the keeping of the ten commandments [and God's other commandments] is nonetheless required as a condition to receive [and keep your] salvation."


Along with believing, in order to become a child of God you must be baptized by immersion in water (unless water baptism is not possible for some reason), and keep all of God's commandments.

Notes: The Church of the Great God (cgg.org) is best known for its website, TheBerean.org, as well as its other online publications. At first appearing to be a sound Christian website, the Church of the Great God denies key doctrines such as the singularity of God, the Trinity, Salvation through Faith alone, and denial of an eternal Hell, among others.

it appears that the beliefs that have been brought into the conversations are from this site
You are the only one I know of who doesn't accept, completely, the truth of scripture. Why are you judging and scolding for these things that everyone I know but you accepts? Besides fighting for the right to sin with no negative results!
 
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Question: "What day is the Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday? Do Christians have to observe the Sabbath day?"

Answer:
It is often claimed that “God instituted the Sabbath in Eden” because of the connection between the Sabbath and creation in Exodus 20:11. Although God’s rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath-keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a special sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16–17).

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).

God’s intent for giving the Sabbath to Israel was not that they would remember creation, but that they would remember their Egyptian slavery and the Lord’s deliverance. Note the requirements for Sabbath-keeping: A person placed under that Sabbath law could not leave his home on the Sabbath (Exodus 16:29), he could not build a fire (Exodus 35:3), and he could not cause anyone else to work (Deuteronomy 5:14). A person breaking the Sabbath law was to be put to death (Exodus 31:15; Numbers 15:32–35).

An examination of New Testament passages shows us four important points: 1) Whenever Christ appears in His resurrected form and the day is mentioned, it is always the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1, 9, 10; Mark 16:9; Luke 24:1, 13, 15; John 20:19, 26). 2) The only times the Sabbath is mentioned from Acts through Revelation, the occasion is Jewish evangelism, and the setting is usually a synagogue (Acts chapters 13–18). Paul wrote, “To the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews” (1 Corinthians 9:20). Paul did not go to the synagogue to fellowship with and edify the saints, but to convict and save the lost. 3) After Paul states, “From now on I will go to the Gentiles” (Acts 18:6), the Sabbath is never again mentioned. And 4) Instead of suggesting adherence to the Sabbath day, the remainder of the New Testament implies the opposite (including the one exception to point 3, above, found in Colossians 2:16).

Looking more closely at point 4 above will reveal that there is no obligation for the New Testament believer to keep the Sabbath, and will also show that the idea of a Sunday “Christian Sabbath” is also unscriptural. As discussed above, there is one time the Sabbath is mentioned after Paul began to focus on the Gentiles, “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ” (Colossians 2:16–17). The Jewish Sabbath was abolished at the cross where Christ “canceled the written code, with its regulations” (Colossians 2:14).

This idea is repeated more than once in the New Testament: “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord” (Romans 14:5–6a). “But now that you know God — or rather are known by God — how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years” (Galatians 4:9–10).

But some claim that a mandate by Constantine in A.D. 321 “changed” the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. On what day did the early church meet for worship? Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship. However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that “on the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” In 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul urges the Corinthian believers “on the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.” Since Paul designates this offering as “service” in 2 Corinthians 9:12, this collection must have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

The Sabbath was given to Israel, not the church. The Sabbath is still Saturday, not Sunday, and has never been changed. But the Sabbath is part of the Old Testament Law, and Christians are free from the bondage of the Law (Galatians 4:1-26; Romans 6:14). Sabbath keeping is not required of the Christian—be it Saturday or Sunday. The first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord’s Day (Revelation 1:10) celebrates the New Creation, with Christ as our resurrected Head. We are not obligated to follow the Mosaic Sabbath—resting, but are now free to follow the risen Christ—serving. The Apostle Paul said that each individual Christian should decide whether to observe a Sabbath rest, “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5). We are to worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday.

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