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Yes, it really is our call to judge. And considering Bill goes on sermons for 45 minutes explaining gold dust floating in his church, and considering he does have a school -- with tuition -- to teach kids how to heal and how to use tarot cards for "ministry," he is the poster child for heretic. His face should be next to the word in the dictionary.
And God doesn't strike down every heretic before the damage is done. He has called his people to chase away the wolves. (Already gave that explanation with the Matthew Henry commentary a day or so ago.)
And, yeah, you can't call cessasasionist churches false, because you have to find one whose point is that, and then see what it is teaching. (Good luck with that. I've never found such a church.)
AND, who comes up with those words? Too hard to spell that word. Why can't it be nomiracleist? At least I can spell that word!
And God doesn't strike down every heretic before the damage is done. He has called his people to chase away the wolves. (Already gave that explanation with the Matthew Henry commentary a day or so ago.)
And, yeah, you can't call cessasasionist churches false, because you have to find one whose point is that, and then see what it is teaching. (Good luck with that. I've never found such a church.)
AND, who comes up with those words? Too hard to spell that word. Why can't it be nomiracleist? At least I can spell that word!
and then we also have the expression 'so heavenly minded that you are no earthly good'
the actual miracle is that even though we are made of the earth, God has chosen to indwell us by His Spirit and has redeemed us by the blood of His Son
Jesus ate, slept, hurt, and suffered temptation
this is just another harmful condemnatory post...'you are double minded and therefore you cannot create a miracle'
what could possibly be wrong with that....
first of all, we are to get rid of double mindedness but even if we do, that still does not account for universal healing
the actual miracle is that even though we are made of the earth, God has chosen to indwell us by His Spirit and has redeemed us by the blood of His Son
Jesus ate, slept, hurt, and suffered temptation
this is just another harmful condemnatory post...'you are double minded and therefore you cannot create a miracle'
what could possibly be wrong with that....
first of all, we are to get rid of double mindedness but even if we do, that still does not account for universal healing
John 14:12 [FONT="]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.[/FONT]
But according to Gods Word in John 14:12, it is not God who does the healing, but instead those who wholly believe on Christ are doing the healings and other miracles. These individuals are singularly minded, and not double minded, serving both God and Mammon.
John 14:12 [FONT="]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.[/FONT]
John 14:12 [FONT="]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.[/FONT]
Remember in Acts 3 where the lame beggar asked Peter for some cash, to which Peter replied "...neither gold nor silver do I have..."
Here was the head of the Church in Jerusalem who could have had all the cash he wanted, and yet carried no purse, because he placed no faith in Mammon, and thus was singularly minded where he was able to cure the lame beggar.
Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
Here was the head of the Church in Jerusalem who could have had all the cash he wanted, and yet carried no purse, because he placed no faith in Mammon, and thus was singularly minded where he was able to cure the lame beggar.
Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
Bill Johnson doesn't teach kids how to use tarot cards for ministry. This is what I'm talking about when I say that people are spreading misinformation. Somebody loosely associated with Bethel created cards that looked similar to tarot cards that they handed to people involved in the New Age in an effort to share the gospel. Now you might question that approach, but this is not something that Bethel Church or Bill Johnson are doing.
https://www.facebook.com/kvministries/posts/10155320301218741
https://www.facebook.com/kvministries/posts/10155320301218741
Did God cause the guy to take drugs? NO.. Did God effect the guy into an overdose? NO... My point is, when you're doing something bad, be it drugs, liquor, robbing banks, whatever.. It WILL catch up with you and something (usually) negative will happen. You can't do drugs all your life and not expect to die from an overdose or some side effect such as cirrohsis or hepatitis....
God isn't The Cause? And The Effect?
Tarrot cards in a christian guise - Christalignment
Seems people believe they put cards out infront of the client, and then interpret what they
mean. They are speaking from the 3rd heaven, so it is ok, and not divination, or omen reading
The trouble is this is banded behaviour
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
[video=youtube;3Wa0Gx386d0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wa0Gx386d0[/video]
The video goes through what these guys are into and the Bethel connection.
Seems people believe they put cards out infront of the client, and then interpret what they
mean. They are speaking from the 3rd heaven, so it is ok, and not divination, or omen reading
The trouble is this is banded behaviour
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
[video=youtube;3Wa0Gx386d0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wa0Gx386d0[/video]
The video goes through what these guys are into and the Bethel connection.
Yeah, I don't think adding that link helped your case at all. May have made it MUCH worse. This is from the comment section of the link:
I checked out the website and I felt a little queasy upon reading of these destiny cards that provide a higher response than Tarot and often lead to Third Heaven encounters. The Holy Ghost in me was like, "Heck Nooooooooo" upon hearing about how these cards can provide answers to your life's questions. Is pot legal in Australia??
From the website, "Colour cards can be used in several different ways. Team member Nan uses them to enhance her reading with agate stones. Colours have had an important role to play spirituality in history and have significant meanings in the dream state. As they are imbued with meaning and power, these readings can really change lives and give comfort and hope." So basically you can mix these cards in with your agate stone readings to enhance these 3rd heaven experiences. If the Apostle Paul was alive he would slap these people.
Kris you don't want to support any of this in any way without visiting the website for 20 seconds. There isn't a scripture to be found which is most likely how they ended up thinking this was ok. It's sad.
The more I look into this latter rain, NAR, WOF, Prosperity Gospel stuff, the more disturbing it gets. I am glad there are strong brothers and sisters grounded in the Lord warning people of this heretical doctrine.
You left out this part, which really addresses the only point I care about.
"I was addressing people who were accusing Bethel taking part in this practice. We don’t and never have been been apart of this"
People need to stop spreading gossip and misinformation in the name of defending the faith. We as believers have an obligation to fact check before repeating something we say about others.
"I was addressing people who were accusing Bethel taking part in this practice. We don’t and never have been been apart of this"
People need to stop spreading gossip and misinformation in the name of defending the faith. We as believers have an obligation to fact check before repeating something we say about others.
You CAN'T really be serious with this response! The WHOLE page is a defense of these practices!
This is his response in support of the letter written about these practices:
To whom it may concern;
Let’s be clear: 1- I was speaking against Tarot cards and their use, which I am still against.
2- I was addressing people who were accusing Bethel taking part in this practice. We don’t and never have been been apart of this. So that’s still true!
3- The people who were named in the article, were never named in the people’s accusations of us (that I knew of at the time) nor did I name anyone in my posts.
4- The article turned out to be fake news against great people who love God, don’t use Tarot cards and lead 1000s of people who do, to Christ.
So yes, I retract any implication I made against them for obvious reasons.
He is saying he is against TAROT CARDS not the practices and "tarot cards" these people made up.
This is from the Bethel Pastor further down in the comments section:
Did you read their letter? I guess the point is that you don’t believe them.
1- Tarot cards don’t lead people to Jesus...they lead you into bondage.
2- The purpose behind their cards is to help people who are stuck in the occult find Christ.
3- Their cards have scriptures on them. Tarot cards don’t.
4- The art on their cards are developed by believers who want to use their gift for God. Example: I write books with the same purpose. Our singers use their music to touch people for Christ also. The first person ever “filled with the Spirit” in the Bible was an artist. Exodus 31
Now how can YOU honestly say they don't support this?
This is his response in support of the letter written about these practices:
To whom it may concern;
Let’s be clear: 1- I was speaking against Tarot cards and their use, which I am still against.
2- I was addressing people who were accusing Bethel taking part in this practice. We don’t and never have been been apart of this. So that’s still true!
3- The people who were named in the article, were never named in the people’s accusations of us (that I knew of at the time) nor did I name anyone in my posts.
4- The article turned out to be fake news against great people who love God, don’t use Tarot cards and lead 1000s of people who do, to Christ.
So yes, I retract any implication I made against them for obvious reasons.
He is saying he is against TAROT CARDS not the practices and "tarot cards" these people made up.
This is from the Bethel Pastor further down in the comments section:
Did you read their letter? I guess the point is that you don’t believe them.
1- Tarot cards don’t lead people to Jesus...they lead you into bondage.
2- The purpose behind their cards is to help people who are stuck in the occult find Christ.
3- Their cards have scriptures on them. Tarot cards don’t.
4- The art on their cards are developed by believers who want to use their gift for God. Example: I write books with the same purpose. Our singers use their music to touch people for Christ also. The first person ever “filled with the Spirit” in the Bible was an artist. Exodus 31
Now how can YOU honestly say they don't support this?
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