WHY DOESN'T GOD HEAL EVERYONE?

[Depleted]

Likewise, cannot you see that we are not being condemning but trying to reveal to you the assurance and expectation you can have in God for healing? Is this not loving, trying to help the sick to see an avenue for healing?

BTW, Ben has me on ignore, so can someone post my question about Lazarus so he has no more excuses to ignore the question?

 

[stonesoffire]

Again, context. How does communion fit within context?

5 Do not rebuke an older man but encourage him as you would a father, younger men as brothers, 2 older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, in all purity.
3 Honor widows who are truly widows. 4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show godliness to their own household and to make some return to their parents, for this is pleasing in the sight of God.5 She who is truly a widow, left all alone, has set her hope on God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day, 6 but she who is self-indulgent is dead even while she lives. 7 Command these things as well, so that they may be without reproach. 8 But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
9 Let a widow be enrolled if she is not less than sixty years of age, having been the wife of one husband, 10 and having a reputation for good works: if she has brought up children, has shown hospitality, has washed the feet of the saints, has cared for the afflicted, and has devoted herself to every good work. 11 But refuse to enroll younger widows, for when their passions draw them away from Christ, they desire to marry 12 and so incur condemnation for having abandoned their former faith. 13 Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not. 14 So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander. 15 For some have already strayed after Satan. 16 If any believing woman has relatives who are widows, let her care for them. Let the church not be burdened, so that it may care for those who are truly widows.
17 Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching. 18 For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.” 19 Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. 21 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality. 22 Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor take part in the sins of others; keep yourself pure. 23 (No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.) 24 The sins of some people are conspicuous, going before them to judgment, but the sins of others appear later. 25 So also good works are conspicuous, and even those that are not cannot remain hidden.

They way your paste presents it here is hard to read, so I went to my software. This is labeled instructions for the church. And it seems that's it thoughts of Paul written as they come. I don't think he was caring about a letter being written in context here.

But, it neither proves nor disproves he was speaking of communion. It's a what if? Kind of thing to me.

 

[stonesoffire]

No. Really not. Your expectations are in "God owes me." It is so incredibly unloving what you're doing. YES, incredibly unloving.

You are telling people who God did not choose to heal that it is their fault they aren't healed. And why? Because, "God owes you."

You're types of lies have hurt so many over the course of so many decades now. Can't you see that? People walk away from God because YOU lie, and they keep thinking you're talking for God.

YOU keep telling everyone to expect something from God all right -- expect physical, emotional, financial healing. Expect, expect expect, because it is assured from God above, and yet that is not what God has ever said. That is what you say.

That's horrible, not loving!

It's egocentric, not loving.

It's pride, not loving.

It's arrogance with absolutely no empathy on the carnage you leave behind, not loving.

To quote someone recently,

"Quit it!"

Ever consider those words were aimed at you?

And for the record, I really pray you see the light, because you are heaping condemnation on yourself.

Lynn, I don't think Ben said any of that at all. Where do you see God owes me?

 

[Depleted]

They way your paste presents it here is hard to read, so I went to my software. This is labeled instructions for the church. And it seems that's it thoughts of Paul written as they come. I don't think he was caring about a letter being written in context here.

But, it neither proves nor disproves he was speaking of communion. It's a what if? Kind of thing to me.

Sure, he could have been speaking for vineyard owners too. (Some pope really did turn Friday into fish night to booster the economy for fishermen, so I wasn't being sarcastic.) But given context, neither is highly likely.

 

[Depleted]

Lynn, I don't think Ben said any of that at all. Where do you see God owes me?

Everything about WoF is "God owes me." If you have enough faith, if you pray, if you live just right, God owes me healing. It's all man-centered with the goal of forcing God's hand. It's as related to the God of the Bible as rubbing the buddha's belling for luck is related to Buddhism.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You misunderstand the Cross of Jesus in our life stunned. I am not dying. I picked up His Cross the day I was born again. That day I died to sin and was raised up in His eternal life. I reckon or believe it to be so daily. Go back and read closer. Better yet, go discuss it with the not by works people.

I appreciate you saying you care. So do I.

Bread isnt stale in the kingdom by the way.

I don't misunderstand it. I must decrease and He must increase. He leads me to see what I must give up. When I agree with Him, I know exactly what to pray for. And then I receive what I pray for because it is His will that I pray. It doesn't happen overnight. I do know the purpose of His cross and I also know the purpose of my own. A cross is to die on. He would not tell me to pick up my cross if something were not to die on it. It is, after all, an instrument of death.

 

[stonesoffire]

You are a believer in Bill Johnson. It is as if the corruption of Hagin, Copeland, Osteen, Ellis and J. Prince (I don't know Price either), has multiplied and increased in Bill Johnson. He actually makes the others look conservative/Christian comparatively.

I have heard Bill Johnson teach several times Lynn. And I had no disagreement with anything. As far as others in his ministry, I've not heard any speak. And some of the music out of Bethel I really like. For one thing, you have to pay to receive his teachings. One ministry to support is all I can afford.

All the years I've been ill, I haven't been able to attend church regularly. The last time I did, I was in the hospital soon after fighting for my life. And I mean fighting. God sent a prophet to me. He encouraged me, prayed for me and gave the word (will) to me, the same word Jesus gave, he confirmed.

All these people I will not call false. This is not our judgement to make. No more than I can call cessasionist churches false. My thoughts on doctrines, yes, but to name ministries? If the Lord doesn't judge and bring down, neither will I.

He has done this already. Those in secret sin He exposed. One died in a hotel where he was doing drugs. I haven't heard of anything lately, but this is His job. Not mine.

 

[blue_ladybug]

SOOO, you're saying that God killed the druggie as a judgement for him being an addict? Newflash: the DRUGS killed him. God didn't. Cause and effect in play there..

I have heard Bill Johnson teach several times Lynn. And I had no disagreement with anything. As far as others in his ministry, I've not heard any speak. And some of the music out of Bethel I really like. For one thing, you have to pay to receive his teachings. One ministry to support is all I can afford.

All the years I've been ill, I haven't been able to attend church regularly. The last time I did, I was in the hospital soon after fighting for my life. And I mean fighting. God sent a prophet to me. He encouraged me, prayed for me and gave the word (will) to me, the same word Jesus gave, he confirmed.

All these people I will not call false. This is not our judgement to make. No more than I can call cessasionist churches false. My thoughts on doctrines, yes, but to name ministries? If the Lord doesn't judge and bring down, neither will I.

He has done this already. Those in secret sin He exposed. One died in a hotel where he was doing drugs. I haven't heard of anything lately, but this is His job. Not mine.

 

[stonesoffire]

I don't misunderstand it. I must decrease and He must increase. He leads me to see what I must give up. When I agree with Him, I know exactly what to pray for. And then I receive what I pray for because it is His will that I pray. It doesn't happen overnight. I do know the purpose of His cross and I also know the purpose of my own. A cross is to die on. He would not tell me to pick up my cross if something were not to die on it. It is, after all, an instrument of death.

Stunned, I'm not trying to argue with you. But, I thought this way too for years. We start from receiving all we need through Holy Spirit, inside, and His work saves outwardly.


2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:


2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Even love stunned. Love is shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit.

Daily is our salvation. We have no other days only today. Reckon yourself dead, the promise of God for His, is we died with Him, buried, and risen.

To believe His promises is how we live, rejecting the lies of the world spirit, our own human nature called flesh, and the devil. If you have Holy Spirit, you have all you need.

 

[stonesoffire]

SOOO, you're saying that God killed the druggie as a judgement for him being an addict? Newflash: the DRUGS killed him. God didn't. Cause and effect in play there..

No, I didn't say that blue. I said secret sins are exposed.

We don't know how many times the Lord saved him from overdose. What we do know isvthis last time He didn't intervene.

 

[tourist]

Everything about WoF is "God owes me." If you have enough faith, if you pray, if you live just right, God owes me healing. It's all man-centered with the goal of forcing God's hand. It's as related to the God of the Bible as rubbing the buddha's belling for luck is related to Buddhism.

God doesn't owe me anything but rather I owe Him everything. The good thing is that He has cancelled my debt. I agree with what you have wrote.

 

[blue_ladybug]

God isn't (always) required to intervene to get our stupid selves out of the messes we create.. What's that saying? Live by the sword, die by the sword. The addict lived by his drugs, and he died by them.

No, I didn't say that blue. I said secret sins are exposed.

We don't know how many times the Lord saved him from overdose. What we do know isvthis last time He didn't intervene.

 

[stonesoffire]

Stunned, I'm not trying to argue with you. But, I thought this way too for years. We start from receiving all we need through Holy Spirit, inside, and His work saves outwardly.


2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:


2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Even love stunned. Love is shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit.

Daily is our salvation. We have no other days only today. Reckon yourself dead, the promise of God for His, is we died with Him, buried, and risen.

To believe His promises is how we live, rejecting the lies of the world spirit, our own human nature called flesh, and the devil. If you have Holy Spirit, you have all you need.

Again, you and blue both take this to the thread. Not by works. It's a good place to be.

 

[notuptome]

You do know that Jesus did not come to heal the physical infirmities of mankind? The far greater need is the redemption of the soul from the penalty of sin. The eternal is far greater than the temporal.

Jesus healed the infirmed to demonstrate His authority over life and death, over hell and the grave.

God is merciful but where sin abounds grace doth much more abound.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[blue_ladybug]

It's YOUR post. YOU take it over there.

Again, you and blue both take this to the thread. Not by works. It's a good place to be.

 

[PennEd]

Hello all. As I look back through this thread, it had a fairly civil tone to it UNTIL I issued my challenge. I in NO WAY concede the points I've made, or others who are offended by those that say we are not healed because of no faith.

However, I at least, don't like that I may have been the cause of much of this strife and contention here. I'm very sorry for that. I withdraw my challenge and wish for God's Blessings on all of you.

I would ask however, that you all lift Zach and Jensen in your prayers. Thanks.

 

[blue_ladybug]

There was strife and contention on here long before you made your challenge.. lol

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Again, you and blue both take this to the thread. Not by works. It's a good place to be.

I won't go there. Because I am assuming, from you telling me to go there, that they will tell me there is no such thing as picking up your cross.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Hello all. As I look back through this thread, it had a fairly civil tone to it UNTIL I issued my challenge. I in NO WAY concede the points I've made, or others who are offended by those that say we are not healed because of no faith.

However, I at least, don't like that I may have been the cause of much of this strife and contention here. I'm very sorry for that. I withdraw my challenge and wish for God's Blessings on all of you.

I would ask however, that you all lift Zach and Jensen in your prayers. Thanks.

not at all

your post revealed what people are made of

please do not think you 'caused' anything at all. if anything, you showed what is really going on because if someone cannot pray because they are 'lacking' in a gift? then I would not hesitate to believe they are more conscious of their own standing and praise in a community then they are in believing that Jesus hears and answers prayer

what a total cop out to say you won't pray because you do not have the gift of healing

that is the difference between believing God can heal and God has to heal because you say so

 

[davida]

No. Really not. Your expectations are in "God owes me." It is so incredibly unloving what you're doing. YES, incredibly unloving.

You are telling people who God did not choose to heal that it is their fault they aren't healed. And why? Because, "God owes you."

You're types of lies have hurt so many over the course of so many decades now. Can't you see that? People walk away from God because YOU lie, and they keep thinking you're talking for God.

YOU keep telling everyone to expect something from God all right -- expect physical, emotional, financial healing. Expect, expect expect, because it is assured from God above, and yet that is not what God has ever said. That is what you say.

That's horrible, not loving!

It's egocentric, not loving.

It's pride, not loving.

It's arrogance with absolutely no empathy on the carnage you leave behind, not loving.

To quote someone recently,

"Quit it!"

Ever consider those words were aimed at you?

And for the record, I really pray you see the light, because you are heaping condemnation on yourself.

My kids bring thier friends here to laugh at you