WHY DOESN'T GOD HEAL EVERYONE?

[Ariel82]

only question is which cycle?
rinse or spin?

WOF definitely put a spin to everything.....and it's hard to rinse out the aftertaste...

 

[joefizz]

thanks fizz...but I'm your sister...

I know I sound tough...but I'm still a girl ...that's ok

Sorry I thought your name was the color blue lol but I edited my post so that I didn't say it all "Joefizz's honor" lol!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Sorry I thought your name was the color blue lol but I edited my post so that I didn't say it all "Joefizz's honor" lol!

I've been called worse....

it's all good

 

[joefizz]

I've been called worse....

it's all good

So have I,I've been called Josh,John and Justin,before though my name is Joseph,such cruelty!

 

[Johnny_B]

My first copy/paste op.


Joni Eareckson Tada struggled with this issue for a long time. As she recounts in her book Joni, she sought physical healing of her quadriplegia. She prayed and fully believed that God would heal her. In her words, “I certainly believed. I was calling up my girlfriends saying, ‘Next time you see me I’m going to be running up your sidewalk. God’s going to heal me’” (quoted in an interview with Marvin Olasky,www.worldmag.com/2013/01/joni_eareckson_tada_on_faith_healing_and_marriage, January 17, 2013).

Yet Joni is still in a wheelchair today. Forty-five years after the accident that left her paralyzed, God has still not healed her. Her perspective is one of great faith: “God may remove your suffering, and that will be great cause for praise. But if not, He will use it, He will use anything and everything that stands in the way of His fellowship with you. So let God mold you and make you, transform you from glory to glory. That’s the deeper healing” (quoted on www.gty.org/resources/sermons/TM13-2/a-deeper-healing-joni-eareckson-tada, October 16, 2013). Some feel that God will never heal anyone miraculously today. Others feel that God will always heal a person if he or she has enough faith. But God will not be put into either box.

We need to understand that healings, even in the Bible, are very rare indeed. For the first 2,500 years of biblical history, there is no mention of any healings whatsoever. Then during the life of Abraham we have a possible healing, although it is only implied (Genesis 12:17–20). Then we have to wait until the life of Moses, who performs a number of signs to authenticate his authority as God’s leader. However, the only healing associated with Moses is Miriam’s cleansing from leprosy (Numbers 12:13–15).


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God does heal eveyone weather on this earth or in eternity, we will all receive a new body that will be perfect. I have had pysical illness for almost 30 years and though the Lord has not physically healed me He has done many great things in my life. I would love to say that I have great faith but I do not, what the Lord has given me is a love for His word and in some cases an understanding of how some Scriptures aline with others. In other words I can be reading the word and I will read a Sctipture and another will pop-up in my head because they go together or one helps bring more meaning to the other. Some times I have a Scripture that I am having a hard time understanding and while I am listening to the word being taught the Lord will put something in my mind to help me understand it better, lots of times it has nothing to do with the teaching.

One thing I would like to say, someone being heal does not depend on their faith, that would be placing faith in their faith, perfect example the man begging for alms, he had no faith he wanted money and got healed instead. Acts 3:3-10

“Seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, he asked to receive alms.4 And Peter directed his gaze at him, as did John, and said, “Look at us.”5 And he fixed his attention on them, expecting to receive something from them.6 But Peter said, “I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!”7 And he took him by the right hand and raised him up, and immediately his feet and ankles were made strong.8 And leaping up, he stood and began to walk, and entered the temple with them, walking and leaping and praising God.9 And all the people saw him walking and praising God,10 and recognized him as the one who sat at the Beautiful Gate of the temple, asking for alms. And they were filled with wonder and amazement at what had happened to him.”

The man fixed his eyes on Peter and John expectiong something, my guess is he was expecting alms (money) but the Lord healed him instead, yet with all healings the person still dies and receives the unltimute healing a new body.

 

[Depleted]

I asked the Lord what should be a response to this PennEd.

This is what I was given..

23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.


Luk 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.


Luk 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;


Luk 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.


Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.


Luk 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,


Luk 4:29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.


Luk 4:30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

With this logic/application of verses, then you are saying there is no healing anywhere, even for you? In which case, so much for having faith in healing.

(Excuse #1)

 

[Depleted]

Why only those two? Famine....heavens shut up....widow...

2 Kings 5:8 And it was so, when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.


They wanted to kill Jesus for these words.

So, are you the prophet? Or, again, are you saying God has shut the gates, so there is no healing? And thus, WoF doesn't happen anyway, so there is no faith? Why ask for healing?

(Excuse #2)

 

[Depleted]

Jesus responds to faith PennEd. I can't heal anyone.

Your questions seem immature to me. I thought better of you.

And, again, so Lazerus didn't count, because you said so? So, God can't heal, thus, once again, no use in WoF because you've got none. It can't be done. There is no healing, because you said so.

(Excuse #3)

 

[Depleted]

The point should be why PennEd. Not question...can?

Well, you gave three excuses so far as to why, so all along you don't believe "can?"

(excuse #4)

 

[Depleted]

Perhaps you just dont see...stunned.

(Excuse #5? Not sure, but you have yet to honestly answer Ed's question from YOUR standpoint.)

 

[Depleted]

Im not a prophet PennEd.

So, you have to be a prophet to lay hands on people to be healed? Honestly, hubby isn't a prophet yet he laid hands on me three times, and the Lord healed me. I prayed for him, and the Lord healed him. The Lord didn't even tell me if he would or wouldn't heal hubby. All those stories I've told of healings on here? Not a single person was a prophet. Most of the apostles weren't prophets, and yet they could lay hands on people. That doctor down in Florida who prayed for the dead-for-an-hour guy and the guy rose from the dead? Not a prophet. No evidence whatsoever in the Bible that healers have to be prophets. Therefore, don't worry about it. You don't have to be a prophet. All you have to do is have faith, right?

 

[Depleted]

Perhaps you need to stop judging stunned. I know His Voice.

And you have faith, so why not heal people?

(BTW, you're judging quite well yourself there.)

 

[Depleted]

No, it's because of offices PennEd. We all move together in unity in His body. I have gifts and am used in them. I have faith for myself and my family. But, I haven't been stretched in faith to move out and lay hands on the sick. Nor have I heard a word to do so.

Theres such a thing as presumption.

Hubby's office was teacher, yet the Lord used him to heal. My gift is helps/mercy ministry, yet he used me to heal. The ER doctor in Florida? Everyone has some gift or office, and yet the Lord heals. Being a healer require a particular office. That isn't Biblical either.

(Excuse #6 or 7, depending on if that one deflection was an excuse or not.)

 

[Depleted]

There IS the spiritual gift of healing. And God disperses the gifts as He will. I suspect He tells those with this gift where to go and what to do, but I don't know. I haven't been given the gift. But I know a charlatan when I hear one, claiming to have the gift while simultaneously shredding scripture and making crap up.

The Lord has gifted the church for every function necessary; however, not all churches have people with every necessary function. And, because of that, he temporarily gifts as needed, until/if he brings such a person to that church. This is why most churches don't have evangelists, and yet many within the church evangelize. This is also why the Lord has used me so HE would be seen when he's healed on occasion, and yet, I'm no healer. It's also why churches come together in prayer when someone is hurt or injured, because most of us aren't healers, and yet "where two or three are gathered." Sometimes that includes physically healing. Sometimes it is spiritual healing.

But this whole nonsense of needing to be a healer to heal? Notice this just showed up as needed. Never heard this excuse before, and now? Now suddenly it is used? Nah... no healer needed. God's will is needed. I keep thinking our goal is to know and then do God's will.

(And, I'm really beginning to think we're supposed to believe Lazarus had faith to be risen from the dead too.)

 

[Depleted]

I've posted several times about how we see the scriptures, how we view God. And this poem was given concerning this very thing.

Unlocked sight!



Who do we see when we look on Him
Son of God, or son of men?
Saviour.. Lord.. or King to rule?
Puppet? for our strings to pull?

How we see is how we'll move
How we hear, our hearts will groove
the path of life for us to take;
This path of life decides our fate.

Will it lead us to the truth
of why He came...why He was birthed
in human form, yet not of earth?
This..... we must see..

Truth is simple, yet complex
Many stumble...many vexed
It's only those who see their need
of blood to purge out sinful deeds.

For sin is in the heart of man
But many...on their pride will stand.
and those who cannot humble be?
Great loss, regret, heaped then on thee.

For then we see Him in His glory
Love pours out of Heavens story
Why wait then to bow the knee?
For faith is what gives eyes to see.

We see salvation as saved from sin. Inability to be anything but saved by the blood of Jesus This is foundational truth. There is nothing else that guarantees heaven or entrance into heaven. This is a wonderful gift that Father has given us in His sacrifice. It is Passover. But, theres debates concerning this here on the forums.

So we go through Jesus for anything we receive.

Our walk should be building on the foundation. We take heed to how we build. Will we build based on truth? We find then that truth is a person. So in finding out His will for anything, we look to Jesus. Whatever He did is the truth that we follow in His written Word.

He is also the way. His way was to put down anything that would deter Him from His call. He fought temptation, and lies of the enemy. Overthrew him in the wilderness. Not so with Israel. They fell in the wilderness. It took a new generation to enter the promise. You want to know why the first church fizzled out so to speak? Look to the Word. Have you fought tooth and nail of the serpent? No fingers pointed. I look at myself only to judge. Just asking a question to consider.

Hes the life! His very blood is life, and is eternal in the heavens, but also on the earth where spilled.

Here is where I spoke before about communion. Is it just symbolic as churches mostly teach? Or is there actually an exchange by faith to receive His life? And His health?

This is what I would give to one who is sick. And if I hear, lay hands, I lay hands. If not? Not. For I'm not a prophet nor an apostle. There are true prophets and apostles. Both move in miracles.

I will tell you this truthfully. My neighbor who became a close friend, was in the hospital suffering terribly from lung cancer. This was about 15 years ago. What she was going through was so horrible. I knew it as a nurse who suctioned many people. And saw the sufferings of them all.

I asked another friend who has unusual faith to go with me to pray for her. As I was about to lay hands on her, Holy Spirit spoke in my spirit, and said, "I'm taking her home".

So yes, PennEd, when He speaks it's His will. Because of this fact....Jesus only did, and said, what He heard and saw.

She was ready to go home. It was what she wanted. In the state she was in, I can't blame her. Nor would I ever condemn her as having not enough faith. Not do I condemn anyone here nor judge a lack of faith. I would however, ask the question, have you given up..? But, not ever meant to be as a judgement.

The rhema Word is what we live by. Until we hear or see. We trust His written word. And we search and seek in the written Word to know Him as He is. Jesus, the same, yesterday, today and forever.


Ive said, I'm faith in His Word.

Have you asked about your friends child? If so, what have you heard?

This one last thing I want to say. We can be easily misunderstood here on the forums as to what actually someone is saying. And I can do the same. I would think that when we come to know one another it would be easier to give grace to each other.

But, suspicion seems to be reigning here. And that is not discerning of spirits.

Actually, something I read this morning while studying the Word. (By Matthew Henry, this time. Not Spurgeon.)

Acts 15:1-6


Some from Judea taught the Gentile converts at Antioch, that they could not be saved, unless they observed the whole ceremonial law as given by Moses; and thus they sought to destroy Christian liberty. There is a strange proneness in us to think that all do wrong who do not just as we do. Their doctrine was very discouraging. Wise and good men desire to avoid contests and disputes as far as they can; yet when false teachers oppose the main truths of the gospel, or bring in hurtful doctrines, we must not decline to oppose them.

Acts 15:1-6


Some from Judea taught the Gentile converts at Antioch, that they could not be saved, unless they observed the whole ceremonial law as given by Moses; and thus they sought to destroy Christian liberty. There is a strange proneness in us to think that all do wrong who do not just as we do. Their doctrine was very discouraging. Wise and good men desire to avoid contests and disputes as far as they can; yet when false teachers oppose the main truths of the gospel, or bring in hurtful doctrines, we must not decline to oppose them.



Methinks what is being taught on this site recently is worse then new converts must be circumcised, so, yes. It is time for discernment and speaking up.

"We must not decline to oppose them."

 

[Depleted]

You arebpresuming to speak for God here.

I asked how to respond. Those verses aren't negative. There's something to see in them.

When your excuse is a prophet isn't accepted in his own country, WHILE living in America, and using that as an excuse on why YOUR faith isn't enough for two disabled people to be healed? Yes, the verse wasn't negative. You were. You just piled on a bunch of verses to excuse yourself. And then pretended they did, and God gave them to you for just that purpose.

 

[oldethennew]

it's really not about being a 'prophet or making a profit', it's all about our total surrender -
forsaking the 'old-man-world'
to our Heavenly Father's will in our gratefulness, and learning how to do what He asks of each of us,..

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

^ ^ ^
Speaking of contamination, I need a can of Lysol for this post.

A. Healing has nothing to do with a cross. It has everything to do with the One who was on that cross.

B. I've been miraculously healed three times. My hubby three times too, so how about not spreading your lies and consider THAT at least a semi-"Message of the Cross."

C. How about just not lying to puff yourself up as "Message of the Cross?"

Now, where's my Lysol?

The first thing the Believer should know and understand is that every single thing we receive from God, and I mean everything, and I speak of Salvation, the Baptism with the Holy Spirit, Divine Healing, answers to prayer, financial prosperity, communion with the Lord, etc., all and without question are made possible by the Cross. Christ and the Cross must without fail ever be the Object of our Faith. The entirety of the Bible is the Story of Jesus Christ and Him Crucified (John 1:1-2, 14, 29). If the Object of Faith of the Believer doesn't remain exclusively in the Cross of Christ, it will be faith that God cannot recognize that is called nebulous faith. Your understanding will be muddled!

 

[BenFTW]

Ya know, if we could heal others, we would. If we could heal ourselves, we would. But we can't. I've had laying on of hands, and been prayed over for healing. And, no big surprise, it DID NOT work...

I'm not going to get into it with you as we have in the past. We know how that ends. I just want to draw attention to the words I put in bold in your post. Is that okay? Why wasn't it a big surprise? I'd like to post another post of yours...

Personally, I don't put much stock into laying on healing. May work for some, but not for all..

You tell me why it doesn't work, when it was administered and you don't "put much stock into laying on healing?" I am simply asking you to reevaluate your perspective, and experience due to such a perspective.

If I didn't believe touching Jesus' garment could heal me, I wouldn't bother reaching out and grabbing it. Likewise, why be prayed for, have hands laid on me (for healing), if I don't put much stock into it? Why go through the motions?

I don't really want to go into it Blue, I am just pointing some stuff out.

God bless.

 

[BenFTW]

if someone posts something and says it is from God, then they are saying they are answering prophetically

if they then deny that, we need to understand that if someone says 'God told me to say such and such or I asked God and He gave me such and such for an answer' then they are saying they are prophetic

simple

You say that as if it is a bad thing. God speaks today and if He gives you something to say, shouldn't you do so in obedience? Do you hear His voice? Has He not told you to do something, given you direction in your life? Answered prayer? Did He not tell you to help someone and you did? How is it any different if the Lord would have you share a verse with someone?

She made no claim to be a prophetess.