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I'm beginning to see the warpness of their thinking.
Their answer to your post would be. Others aren't healed because they don't have faith, THEY can't heal not because they lack faith, but because they haven't been given the GIFT OR OFFICE of healing.
I'm truly starting to feel sorry for them through because of the delusion they are in, and would feel it more so if they're doctrine wasn't so dang hurtful!
Their answer to your post would be. Others aren't healed because they don't have faith, THEY can't heal not because they lack faith, but because they haven't been given the GIFT OR OFFICE of healing.
I'm truly starting to feel sorry for them through because of the delusion they are in, and would feel it more so if they're doctrine wasn't so dang hurtful!
God who has no needs satisfies all. He is not served by human hands as a the will of men.
Hands throughout the scriptures speak of the unseen will. They are used as parables ...shadows of the true. Literally putting the hand another preforms nothing other than a presentation of the gospel of Christ grace in respect to the suffering of Christ before hand. The time of reformation has come..
I did attend a church I highly respect (my home church) where I heard the gospel. The Elders did in cases of sever suffering apply the ceremonial law of laying on of hands in a hope of some ease to his body as well as the body of believers that had some familiarity with the ones sufferings ..
I had seen the person before but never sat down with him . Their family of 65 years was experiencing the effects of a corrupted mind that has lost the av billty to remember in a safe way.
Alzheimer's had become to much for his wife and himself, arguments broke out constantly anger had become a threat of push and shove. He was brought to a elderly home and passed months later.
I felt moved by that one time experience and started to visit Him once a week. Sometimes we had good fellowship and other times I would ask myself ...why I came.there were times when he thought he was communing with someone from the forties and was angry.
Alzheimer's a terrible tribulation of good memories.
I am not trying to make any claim it fame it but an example how it could be used. There is never a time when we think it could move God to prove himself to us ?
We are informed in Job 23 .He is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases .It is Him who does make our hearts soft, in the that we can fear Him because with Him there is forgiveness, he forgives all of our iniquities.
If we can accredit that as the gift of healing it like all his gifts he worked in two (the giver and the receiver) to both in order to will and perform his good purpose, all coming from the same mutual source of faith, Christ.. The newly created faith that works in us with us.
Lev 1:4 And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.
The gospel (Lev 1:4) in respect to the suffering of Christ before hand .We look back by faith to the same spirit of faith according as it is written that gave them the vision for them to see ahead.....hid in a parable in a nutshell
Hands throughout the scriptures speak of the unseen will. They are used as parables ...shadows of the true. Literally putting the hand another preforms nothing other than a presentation of the gospel of Christ grace in respect to the suffering of Christ before hand. The time of reformation has come..
I did attend a church I highly respect (my home church) where I heard the gospel. The Elders did in cases of sever suffering apply the ceremonial law of laying on of hands in a hope of some ease to his body as well as the body of believers that had some familiarity with the ones sufferings ..
I had seen the person before but never sat down with him . Their family of 65 years was experiencing the effects of a corrupted mind that has lost the av billty to remember in a safe way.
Alzheimer's had become to much for his wife and himself, arguments broke out constantly anger had become a threat of push and shove. He was brought to a elderly home and passed months later.
I felt moved by that one time experience and started to visit Him once a week. Sometimes we had good fellowship and other times I would ask myself ...why I came.there were times when he thought he was communing with someone from the forties and was angry.
Alzheimer's a terrible tribulation of good memories.
I am not trying to make any claim it fame it but an example how it could be used. There is never a time when we think it could move God to prove himself to us ?
We are informed in Job 23 .He is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases .It is Him who does make our hearts soft, in the that we can fear Him because with Him there is forgiveness, he forgives all of our iniquities.
If we can accredit that as the gift of healing it like all his gifts he worked in two (the giver and the receiver) to both in order to will and perform his good purpose, all coming from the same mutual source of faith, Christ.. The newly created faith that works in us with us.
Lev 1:4 And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.
The gospel (Lev 1:4) in respect to the suffering of Christ before hand .We look back by faith to the same spirit of faith according as it is written that gave them the vision for them to see ahead.....hid in a parable in a nutshell
Actually in some cases, not all, you can say exactly that. Such was the case when Jesus went to Nazareth. He could only heal a few sick people because of their unbelief. (Mark 6:5)
My last sentence would include unbelief, but not exclusively. It could be any of the conditions I listed earlier. I'm just telling you what the Bible says. Are you going to tell me that the Bible DOESN'T mention unbelief as a hindrance to healing and answered prayer? That doesn't mean it's the only hindrance, but you certainly can't exclude it.
As for your request, you seem to be of the opinion that some people just carry around the gift of healing. That's not the case. The gifts of healing are given by the Holy Spirit as HE wills. If He dispenses such a gift to me in that situation I could certainly minister that way. In such cases the only faith necessary is on the part of the one ministering, not on the part of the recipient. That's what happened when Jesus healed the man at the pool of Bethesda. He had no faith that we know of. Then there was the Centurion whose servant was healed because of his faith. (Luke 7:1-10) Then there was the woman with the issue of blood, who was healed on her own faith. In James we are told that the elders can anoint the sick with oil and pray the prayer of faith, which means that the victim doesn't exercise faith, but in this case if the sickness is a result of sin they presumably need to seek forgiveness. (James 5:14,15)
This is a much more complex issue than "so if you can heal people go do it!" Comments like that belie a misconception about the subject of divine healing. A thorough study of the subject from the Word of God shows that healing is still for us today, and that it has been provided in the atonement, but we need to pursue it through biblical guidelines. Sometimes God heals through the faith of the recipient, sometimes through the faith of others, sometimes in response to repentance, and sometimes by a sovereign move of the Holy Spirit.
I have received healing myself in various ways. At times it was instantly when I prayed, at times I had somebody else pray for me and was instantly healed, and sometimes it took a day or two. And yes, there were times when my own faith wavered and I got nowhere. Once after I taught on healing I prayed for a woman with a bad back and she immediately bent over and touched her toes which she couldn't do before. Once I prayed with a girl's family in a hospital where she had gone into a diabetic coma and had a swollen brain stem, and the doctors said that if she survived she would be an invalid. She came out of the coma miraculously and resumed her life. Another time I was asked to pray for a lady in the hospital with cancer, and she went into remission. I lost touch with them so I don't know how that played out. But no matter what the situation, I never go into it wondering "what if it's not God's will?" If they don't get healed it's the fault of a human. It's not because God wasn't in a good mood that day, because He doesn't change.
My last sentence would include unbelief, but not exclusively. It could be any of the conditions I listed earlier. I'm just telling you what the Bible says. Are you going to tell me that the Bible DOESN'T mention unbelief as a hindrance to healing and answered prayer? That doesn't mean it's the only hindrance, but you certainly can't exclude it.
As for your request, you seem to be of the opinion that some people just carry around the gift of healing. That's not the case. The gifts of healing are given by the Holy Spirit as HE wills. If He dispenses such a gift to me in that situation I could certainly minister that way. In such cases the only faith necessary is on the part of the one ministering, not on the part of the recipient. That's what happened when Jesus healed the man at the pool of Bethesda. He had no faith that we know of. Then there was the Centurion whose servant was healed because of his faith. (Luke 7:1-10) Then there was the woman with the issue of blood, who was healed on her own faith. In James we are told that the elders can anoint the sick with oil and pray the prayer of faith, which means that the victim doesn't exercise faith, but in this case if the sickness is a result of sin they presumably need to seek forgiveness. (James 5:14,15)
This is a much more complex issue than "so if you can heal people go do it!" Comments like that belie a misconception about the subject of divine healing. A thorough study of the subject from the Word of God shows that healing is still for us today, and that it has been provided in the atonement, but we need to pursue it through biblical guidelines. Sometimes God heals through the faith of the recipient, sometimes through the faith of others, sometimes in response to repentance, and sometimes by a sovereign move of the Holy Spirit.
I have received healing myself in various ways. At times it was instantly when I prayed, at times I had somebody else pray for me and was instantly healed, and sometimes it took a day or two. And yes, there were times when my own faith wavered and I got nowhere. Once after I taught on healing I prayed for a woman with a bad back and she immediately bent over and touched her toes which she couldn't do before. Once I prayed with a girl's family in a hospital where she had gone into a diabetic coma and had a swollen brain stem, and the doctors said that if she survived she would be an invalid. She came out of the coma miraculously and resumed her life. Another time I was asked to pray for a lady in the hospital with cancer, and she went into remission. I lost touch with them so I don't know how that played out. But no matter what the situation, I never go into it wondering "what if it's not God's will?" If they don't get healed it's the fault of a human. It's not because God wasn't in a good mood that day, because He doesn't change.
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I don't feel sorry frankly.
when we go astray, it is our own makeup that causes it. God does not tempt us...He may try us, but not tempt us
but you are absolutely correct with regards to the constant excuses given. I think the posts of yesterday...after your post..was proof enough of it
this is the reasoning which they want to pass off as truth:
well, God does not heal you because you lack faith (the fact that someone is asking is faith enough...why would someone ask at all if they lacked faith), or, He does not heal you because you don't have the right kind of faith (kind? of faith? how many flavors does it come in one wonders....) and now we have that it might be because you do not believe. if you don't believe then I must assume you are not even saved
when pressed to actually pray...open the mouth that condemns everyone else for a lack of faith or believing...you get...'well I would if I could but I am not called to do that'
leaves me like
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Most of it IS sensible. 
However, the part I don't agree with is the red highlighted. We can't put constraints on God... Otherwise we limit Him to only being able to do some things and not others. How can God's healing touch ever NEGATIVELY impact us?
However, the part I don't agree with is the red highlighted. We can't put constraints on God... Otherwise we limit Him to only being able to do some things and not others. How can God's healing touch ever NEGATIVELY impact us?
I could be wrong, but my take on that is that he is saying consequences play into it
I guess he can correct or explain better
anyway...
thanks!
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I don't feel sorry frankly.
when we go astray, it is our own makeup that causes it. God does not tempt us...He may try us, but not tempt us
but you are absolutely correct with regards to the constant excuses given. I think the posts of yesterday...after your post..was proof enough of it
this is the reasoning which they want to pass off as truth:
well, God does not heal you because you lack faith (the fact that someone is asking is faith enough...why would someone ask at all if they lacked faith), or, He does not heal you because you don't have the right kind of faith (kind? of faith? how many flavors does it come in one wonders....) and now we have that it might be because you do not believe. if you don't believe then I must assume you are not even saved
when pressed to actually pray...open the mouth that condemns everyone else for a lack of faith or believing...you get...'well I would if I could but I am not called to do that'
leaves me like
when we go astray, it is our own makeup that causes it. God does not tempt us...He may try us, but not tempt us
but you are absolutely correct with regards to the constant excuses given. I think the posts of yesterday...after your post..was proof enough of it
this is the reasoning which they want to pass off as truth:
well, God does not heal you because you lack faith (the fact that someone is asking is faith enough...why would someone ask at all if they lacked faith), or, He does not heal you because you don't have the right kind of faith (kind? of faith? how many flavors does it come in one wonders....) and now we have that it might be because you do not believe. if you don't believe then I must assume you are not even saved
when pressed to actually pray...open the mouth that condemns everyone else for a lack of faith or believing...you get...'well I would if I could but I am not called to do that'
leaves me like
I'm of the opinion that we are all double minded people today, with concerns for this life as well as our spiritual side.
It is this double mindedness that keeps us from doing the healing (and other miracles) the Lord and His apostles were able to accomplish, who were singularly minded on the spiritual.
It is this double mindedness that keeps us from doing the healing (and other miracles) the Lord and His apostles were able to accomplish, who were singularly minded on the spiritual.
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and then we also have the expression 'so heavenly minded that you are no earthly good'
the actual miracle is that even though we are made of the earth, God has chosen to indwell us by His Spirit and has redeemed us by the blood of His Son
Jesus ate, slept, hurt, and suffered temptation
this is just another harmful condemnatory post...'you are double minded and therefore you cannot create a miracle'
what could possibly be wrong with that....
first of all, we are to get rid of double mindedness but even if we do, that still does not account for universal healing
I think this should answer your question
Psalm 18:1-50
Psalm 31:1-24
2nd Corinthians 12:1-21
Romans 8:1-39
Matthew 25:1-46
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-Chapter-18/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-Chapter-31/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2-Corinthians-Chapter-12/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Romans-Chapter-8/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-25/
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Could you see God's light with out first being in darkness?
Could you know God's love with out knowing hate and persicution?
Could you write uplifting and inspiring poems and songs with out being down and discouraged?
Could you give instruction and wisdom with out first learning through trials and tribulations?
Could you see the promise land with out going through the valley of the shadow of death?
Read Ecclesiasties 3:1-22, 4:1-16, 7:1-29 & 12,1-14
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ecclesiastes-Chapter-3/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ecclesiastes-Chapter-4/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ecclesiastes-Chapter-7/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ecclesiastes-Chapter-12/
God has a reason for everything, everything works together for good to them that love him and are the called according to his purpose. we arn't always meant to know why, we just have to trust him, love him and do what he says. It's through weakness he shows his strength, our weaknesses are his strengths.
Hope this helped.
Psalm 18:1-50
Psalm 31:1-24
2nd Corinthians 12:1-21
Romans 8:1-39
Matthew 25:1-46
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-Chapter-18/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-Chapter-31/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2-Corinthians-Chapter-12/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Romans-Chapter-8/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-25/
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Could you see God's light with out first being in darkness?
Could you know God's love with out knowing hate and persicution?
Could you write uplifting and inspiring poems and songs with out being down and discouraged?
Could you give instruction and wisdom with out first learning through trials and tribulations?
Could you see the promise land with out going through the valley of the shadow of death?
Read Ecclesiasties 3:1-22, 4:1-16, 7:1-29 & 12,1-14
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ecclesiastes-Chapter-3/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ecclesiastes-Chapter-4/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ecclesiastes-Chapter-7/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ecclesiastes-Chapter-12/
God has a reason for everything, everything works together for good to them that love him and are the called according to his purpose. we arn't always meant to know why, we just have to trust him, love him and do what he says. It's through weakness he shows his strength, our weaknesses are his strengths.
Hope this helped.
I don't feel sorry frankly.
when we go astray, it is our own makeup that causes it. God does not tempt us...He may try us, but not tempt us
but you are absolutely correct with regards to the constant excuses given. I think the posts of yesterday...after your post..was proof enough of it
this is the reasoning which they want to pass off as truth:
well, God does not heal you because you lack faith (the fact that someone is asking is faith enough...why would someone ask at all if they lacked faith), or, He does not heal you because you don't have the right kind of faith (kind? of faith? how many flavors does it come in one wonders....) and now we have that it might be because you do not believe. if you don't believe then I must assume you are not even saved
when pressed to actually pray...open the mouth that condemns everyone else for a lack of faith or believing...you get...'well I would if I could but I am not called to do that'
leaves me like
when we go astray, it is our own makeup that causes it. God does not tempt us...He may try us, but not tempt us
but you are absolutely correct with regards to the constant excuses given. I think the posts of yesterday...after your post..was proof enough of it
this is the reasoning which they want to pass off as truth:
well, God does not heal you because you lack faith (the fact that someone is asking is faith enough...why would someone ask at all if they lacked faith), or, He does not heal you because you don't have the right kind of faith (kind? of faith? how many flavors does it come in one wonders....) and now we have that it might be because you do not believe. if you don't believe then I must assume you are not even saved
when pressed to actually pray...open the mouth that condemns everyone else for a lack of faith or believing...you get...'well I would if I could but I am not called to do that'
leaves me like
I'm going to respond to your post because I am truly disgusted at what I read from Lance's post, and might say something I'll regret.
Trying to tie in the unbelief of those in Nazareth of WHO Jesus is, the Messiah, with us NOT having belief in Jesus, AND HIS ABILITY TO HEAL US, couched in condescension, is infuriating!! Which BTW Jesus did heal some people! (His Will AGAIN)
And then to say "if they don't get healed it's the Human's fault" is almost a bannable insult!
All the while using the exact excuse I said he would. That other people aren't healed because they have no faith, but HE can't heal, NOT BECAUSE he lacks faith, even though Jesus says faith as a mustard seed can move a mountain, but because he wasn't given the gift of healing!
Alright. Time to step away. Sorry for getting worked up.