WHY DOESN'T GOD HEAL EVERYONE?

[7seasrekeyed]

Vengeful and angry? Smh

yes

what I said

you spoke out of turn and said God gave you verses that were basically a smack to someone who posted honestly and has genuine concerns

you are not speaking for God

God is not in the business of turning believers away and certainly not in the business of condemming them whether their faith is any size big or small

the hurtful doctrine you are preaching has just shown, by your own hand, that is IS hurtful and not God at all

 

[stonesoffire]

You speak a little too cryptically, but if I'm understanding what you wrote here properly, you are basically saying what so many of us have been saying.
I mean you can't heal because you don't have faith? or is it because God's Will is for ONLY certain people to be healed. This is getting stranger and stranger.

I'm glad you agree we should not PRESUME He will heal all.

We can't presume to be prophets and apostles.

I have faith in His Word that He gives to me, for myself and family.

 

[stonesoffire]

yes

what I said

you spoke out of turn and said God gave you verses that were basically a smack to someone who posted honestly and has genuine concerns

you are not speaking for God

God is not in the business of turning believers away and certainly not in the business of condemming them whether their faith is any size big or small

the hurtful doctrine you are preaching has just shown, by your own hand, that is IS hurtful and not God at all

You arebpresuming to speak for God here.

I asked how to respond. Those verses aren't negative. There's something to see in them.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I am emotional right now because I have been the recipeint of false words spoken that people said God told them to say

when I see such nonsense I will admit I get steamed

it is nonsense. it is NOT God and should be utterly rejected

we do not need a mediator to speak to us ...supposedly saying words from God...we already have One!

His Name is Jesus and He is our High Priest and the Lamb of God...the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world...

we can go to God because of His sacrifice and we do not need and should not accept any words that are foreign and indicate judgment from God because of faith or anything else

God is our first and our last hope

I know I sounded angry...I am. far too many have been hurt and even had their faith shipwrecked by that kind of thing

so much encouragement in the New Testament and so much love from our Father God...there is nothing whatsoever wrong with questionning God

He already knows exactly what is in our hearts

 

[stonesoffire]

how about you simply admit God did not have you say anything and the verses...very inapropriate and hurtful...were just you advertising what you believe once again?

now you are appearing to say that you wrote a poem that illustrates points of view

listen....the truth was delivered once for all...we don't operate by revelation or even prophecies

we operate by every word that comes from God and is WRITTEN

that is how Jesus dealt...each time confronted by the devil...Jesus said 'IT IS WRITTEN'

I do believe in the prophetic...but that comes secondary to the word and does not disagree with the word

your poem is simply that...something you wrote and does not supercede nor give better understanding to the Bible

I totally disagree with your doctrine which sounds so much like NAR I find it hard to believe that you say you are not a part of that movement

Yes, I know you disagree and most of your church split over this. So I can see how this has affected you.

Since im not NAR, nor WOF, your problems aren't mine.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You arebpresuming to speak for God here.

I asked how to respond. Those verses aren't negative. There's something to see in them.

Everyone who continues in His Word and speaks from that Word does in fact speak for God

but those who take verses and specifically say GOD TOLD ME TO SAY SUCH AND SUCH...that is not from God

read the Bible. this is the day of our salvation...God is not condeming...whosoever will may come

read the Psalms ...pour out your heart to God it is written

if you wish to know how to respond, then respond in context and as it is written

it is not written anywhere that God will heal everyone

it is not written anywhere that God rejects those who ask...even with trembling hands and heart

you negatively criticized what PennEd wrote ... anyone can pray...yet you chose to say you had to have the office to do so...that is nonsense

 

[Socreta93]

I'll ignore all the comments and just say my response. I believe for some people, it's in pain when they can truly find God. Some take God for granted. A person may sincerely pray and truly have faith that God can heal, but if it is not God’s will to provide the healing at that time, then no healing will come. Sometimes God’s blessings come in other ways besides physical healing.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Yes, I know you disagree and most of your church split over this. So I can see how this has affected you.

Since im not NAR, nor WOF, your problems aren't mine.

LOL!

you waited quite a while to launch that since I didn't bite the first time

way ahead of you

grow up

 

[7seasrekeyed]

this is sad

Stones is speaking about Calvary Chapel and the split they had after the founder died

many Calvary Chapels REJECTED the new direction the church took after the death of the founder

why?

they rejected it because it started following the NAR trend

many have remained faithful to the founder's vision...which is adherence to the Bible and the word comes before all else

while believing in the gifts, the emphasis is on the Word and Jesus Christ...not the gifts and people yelling around in tongues is frowned upon

so, that is stones big heavy reveal....just her trying to jab at someone...again

ho hum

for the record though, I grew up in an evangelical church in Canada...not Calvary Chapel which is in California

 

[joefizz]

I liked this post on a first reading.
On a second reading today, I realized just how good and astute this is that you say here.

My thought has been a bizarre jumble where what others have been accused of is what they themselves have a problem with. What you say here helped bring it together more concretely for me.

Glad to know it helped someone though I don't take credit often on biblical posts because alot of the time when the posts are so "concrete" or "wise sounding" I know it's not me but the holy spirit that created an answer,I'll even glance over them at times and wonder "uhhhh was that me?no definitely not" lol.

 

[notuptome]

In our weakness the strength of Christ is perfected.

Israel rejected Christ because they sought a Messiah that would conquer and subdue their enemies. Is that really any different than Christians who seek a Savior that will conquer all the ills and pains this world offers?

Like our Savior our kingdom is not of this world. We seek a kingdom that is yet to come.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[stonesoffire]

this is sad

Stones is speaking about Calvary Chapel and the split they had after the founder died

many Calvary Chapels REJECTED the new direction the church took after the death of the founder

why?

they rejected it because it started following the NAR trend

many have remained faithful to the founder's vision...which is adherence to the Bible and the word comes before all else

while believing in the gifts, the emphasis is on the Word and Jesus Christ...not the gifts and people yelling around in tongues is frowned upon

so, that is stones big heavy reveal....just her trying to jab at someone...again

ho hum

for the record though, I grew up in an evangelical church in Canada...not Calvary Chapel which is in California

Actually seven, I had respect for Chuck Smith when I read what was written about him. He was a man of faith. I don't see where the split or any split in a church is helpful, unless it's in the plan of God, but there are always hurts in this kind of thing.

You talk more against NAR, then I see a teaching about what you've seen in the scriptures. So I base your anger on this.

A lot of fluff is being tossed around.

I won't renege on saying what I said on hearing the Voice of the Lord. It wasn't given in a spirit that you are portraying. Even PennEd.

It would always be the better way to believe the best of everyone and ask why this was given rather than presuming something that's untrue anyway.

How we see the Lord is how we will serve Him. This is from a prophet whose name I've forgotten. I heard him many years ago.

How many here have heard a prophet speak? Or even believe there are prophets and the other offices of the five fold?

plus, even the sheep hear and follow. How much more His children...

 

[joefizz]

Some thoughts after reading 7's post.
The strange way they can't hear what is being said but just keep repeating the same things/ posting the same videos is what makes me think WOF is cult like. It seems like a sort of brainwashing to me. When you throw P-A into the mix, it makes you see that there's pain and anger behind why they get hooked into WOF.

only question is which cycle?
rinse or spin?

 

[stonesoffire]

In our weakness the strength of Christ is perfected.

Israel rejected Christ because they sought a Messiah that would conquer and subdue their enemies. Is that really any different than Christians who seek a Savior that will conquer all the ills and pains this world offers?

Like our Savior our kingdom is not of this world. We seek a kingdom that is yet to come.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Ok, here is where I differ...our position in Christ is in heavenly places with Him now.

Isvthis truth Roger?

 

[joefizz]

Hmm.......

on cue of course...

 

[joefizz]

I am emotional right now because I have been the recipeint of false words spoken that people said God told them to say

when I see such nonsense I will admit I get steamed

it is nonsense. it is NOT God and should be utterly rejected

we do not need a mediator to speak to us ...supposedly saying words from God...we already have One!

His Name is Jesus and He is our High Priest and the Lamb of God...the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world...

we can go to God because of His sacrifice and we do not need and should not accept any words that are foreign and indicate judgment from God because of faith or anything else

God is our first and our last hope

I know I sounded angry...I am. far too many have been hurt and even had their faith shipwrecked by that kind of thing

so much encouragement in the New Testament and so much love from our Father God...there is nothing whatsoever wrong with questionning God

He already knows exactly what is in our hearts

Amen only one mediator and high priest,Jesus.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Actually seven, I had respect for Chuck Smith when I read what was written about him. He was a man of faith. I don't see where the split or any split in a church is helpful, unless it's in the plan of God, but there are always hurts in this kind of thing.

You talk more against NAR, then I see a teaching about what you've seen in the scriptures. So I base your anger on this.

A lot of fluff is being tossed around.

I won't renege on saying what I said on hearing the Voice of the Lord. It wasn't given in a spirit that you are portraying. Even PennEd.

It would always be the better way to believe the best of everyone and ask why this was given rather than presuming something that's untrue anyway.

How we see the Lord is how we will serve Him. This is from a prophet whose name I've forgotten. I heard him many years ago.

How many here have heard a prophet speak? Or even believe there are prophets and the other offices of the five fold?

plus, even the sheep hear and follow. How much more His children...

are you NAR?

you say you are not but sure get riled up when anyone says anything negative about that movement

listen...you brought up a church split...why? you were jabbing at me. now you want to have discussion

it is no secret what irritates me and at times does cause anger...false teaching, false doctrine, false movements like NAR and WOF...I think I have made that clear many times...no mystery there

I know you will not say that God did not say what you wrote

in the same vein, no one has to believe that God told you anything

why do people say to others 'God told me to tell you?' I believe your response was inappropriate and your posts reveal you follow those you consider to be prophets. this is a NAR adherence and where in scripture are we told to follow prophets?

I suppose we can see Jesus is the greatest prophet...that is the One I choose to follow

you post videos about your prophets and post so called prophecies in the miscellaneous forum

I don't follow you around...I am simply a very observant person with a very good memory...probably blessed by God in that regard

How we see the Lord is how we will serve Him. This is from a prophet whose name I've forgotten. I heard him many years ago.

perhaps how God sees our hearts is how we will serve Him

who people are and what they believe spills out in more ways than most might be comfortable with

people put far too much emphasis on gifts than the One who gives them

I don't care about gifts

 

[Nehemiah6]

How many here have heard a prophet speak?...

All you have to do is open your Bible and you will hear the prophets speak. The apostle John was the last authoritative prophet.

... Or even believe there are prophets and the other offices of the five fold?

Apostles and prophets were found in the New Testament churches. Once the apostles passed away the the Scriptures were completed, and the prophets also passed away by AD 100. None of the Apostolic Fathers claimed to be prophets. Today's prophets are false prophets, and when you check out their so-called "prophecies" they are simply regurgitating Scripture or going into fantasies. There is a website with modern prophets which I will not link to, but most of it is what you and I would also "prophesy".

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Amen brother only one mediator and high priest,Jesus.

thanks fizz...but I'm your sister...

I know I sound tough...but I'm still a girl ...that's ok

 

[joefizz]

I'll ignore all the comments and just say my response. I believe for some people, it's in pain when they can truly find God. Some take God for granted. A person may sincerely pray and truly have faith that God can heal, but if it is not God’s will to provide the healing at that time, then no healing will come. Sometimes God’s blessings come in other ways besides physical healing.

Yeah sometimes getting right to the point is "better" all the way around.