Why Joseph Prince is a Cancerous Growth within God's People

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Peter, Paul, and Stephen all had tremendous theological stability in their lives, and that's what I meant. Somehow I think you know that, but jumped on the verbiage seeing an opportunity to further your agenda. The context of my statement was perfectly clear, and you know it.

But you go ahead and carry on with your 'gotcha' posts while claiming that you don't have time to answer substantive posts. I'm sure no one notices
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I think I'll go make pancakes now.

Toodles,
-JGIG
Sorry. Didn't mean to interrupt pancakes!

I've stopped reading your tomes just because you intentionally "misinterpret" anything I say.
 
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JGIG,

you seem to be a nester/interpreter in what others are saying and doing in their
hearts and minds,,this would be a gift that all of us would surely cherish if we
were so gifted...

if only our Father would gift each of us this gift, then maybe we would all be able to
identify and sympathize and benefit our brothers and sisters in Christ, for our motives
would or could only be honorable...
I would have been happy if God gifted her that way.
 

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please don't. please don't do that. those beginning lines are a summary of the rest of what you wrote.

please, sir, don't attempt to stand in the place of God and decide why people suffer.

"Who sinned? This man or his parents?"

the disciples of Christ weren't right about their assumptions, and i beg you not to make your own.
If you would note ma'am, I said "In most cases..."
The reason why the disciples asked if it was either the man or his parents, is because of what was written in the law.
Those under the law of sin, who have fallen from the grace of God, albeit in many cases, temporary, are subject to the consequences of the sin that is written in the old testament. Just because we are under a new covenant, doesn't mean we can't fall into the old at times. When one moves out of faith, they are no longer in the kingdom of God, nor are they under the grace of God that covers sin.
Take a look around you. Probably more than half the church is sick or has something wrong with them and have to depend on doctors, medication, and treatments to get by.
There is at least one thing I know, and that is that you have to believe to get healed or for your prayers to be answered.
If you don't know what the will of God is, then you will have no faith. No faith, means no answer.
If you depend on the word of God or the gospel for your salvation, then you should do the same for your healing. The good news didn't stop at salvation, but Jesus came to give us life, and to give it more abundantly.
Is sickness life more abundantly? No.
Is poverty life more abundantly? No.
If I didn't know what I wrote was truth, then I wouldn't have written it. I would have added, 'I believe' or 'I think'. But because I believe what is written, as it is written, and many in the church do not, I am made out to be a heretic.
Can or does a child see or understand what the parents do?
Can or does a nonbeliever see or understand what a believer sees and understands?
Can the ignorant know what has not been revealed to them?
Can those who walk in the natural, walk in the spirit at the same time?
Can those who keep God's word before their eyes see things the way those who don't?
The answer to all those questions is a resounding, no.
So neither can I see things the way those who don't look at everything through the word of God. Even as I couldn't see at the time, how my wife drove her car without gasoline, twice. Once for two hours and another for 2 and 1/2 hrs. Or how she commanded the water in the basement to be gone in two hours without bailing or pumping the water out, when everyone else was bailing and pumping theirs for days. Where did the water go, when it had no place to go? Where did the fuel come from when there was no fuel in the tank? How did she get perfect eye sight over night?
It was all by faith. And that was because she was looking at everything the way God does. We are to think, speak, and walk like God.
When you stop looking at the natural and keep you eyes on the promises of God, then you can really believe, and nothing will be impossible to you. Even as it is written.
I have been on both sides of the fence, concerning the way I see things, and looking at things through the rose colored classes of God's word. And I have found that when I failed to believe, I got nothing, as it is written. And when I really believed, more like know that it was done, then I got what I believed, as I believed, every time, without fail, even as it is written.
I have done a good bit of studying on the subject of healing and deliverance, and I have many testimonies and experiences of what I have written, and yes, I believe differently than most on this forum, but do not assume just because I don't see things the way you do, that I am wrong, believing a lie, and that you are correct, holding the truth.
When you see through, believe, and act on the promises of God, nothing looks impossible any more, but all thing are made possible.
One of the problems with many in the church of today is that they only believe the scriptures concerning salvation, but not the ones concerning our healing, deliverance, answered prayer, or even having what they say.
The church has even made the truth of God's word concerning the Word of faith, into a lie.
When Jesus said, " He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. ", He meant exactly that. Those who don't really believe on Him, will not be able to do the same or greater works than Jesus did. Though it is a process in getting there.
You cannot do any of the works that Jesus did, not know the will of the Father, either.
So if you don't know that it's the Father's will to heal His children or for your loved ones, for that matter, then you don't know the will of God or whole gospel.
One must believe in order to receive, and if you have hardened your heart against this truth, then you cannot receive your healing from God.
 
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Back to fold laundry, do dish, take shower, figure out what I'm eating for dinner, and making a dessert out of strawberries for hubby and my picnic tomorrow. (God willing. We were supposed to have that picnic today, but they had to change his dressing instead.)
 
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I am so 20th century, I keep thinking if I know something, everyone already knows it. This includes stuff about false preachers. Someone just PM'd me to ask me what my problem is with Joseph Prince. Honestly? I just thought everyone got it, so never went into it too deeply. Sorry 'bout that.

So, what do I have against Joseph Prince? Quick version -- Joseph Prince doesn't know any of us on this site, and yet he thinks quite a few of us are worthless in God's kingdom, (if we're in his kingdom at all), because of our health issues and/or our finances.

Longer version, (and I picked an article specifically because it is NOT as long-winded as I am) --
Joseph Prince: Unmerited Favor - Christian Research Institute


This is the Word of Faith reloaded specifically to fleece people, and he really doesn't care if he destroys people in the process. He seems benign. His followers seem benign. (Even if they don't know they drank the Kool Aid, it's dangerous. And I truly feel sorry for those who have without knowing the lie they're buying.) Don't buy it. It's cancerous and affects the whole church.

And that doesn't even get into his marketing tactics. (And amazing feat for me, since marketing is something I truly get into -- whether white hat or black hat -- just because I like to see honest marketing.)

'kay? Are we all on the same page now that you know what I have against him?
He exalts grace above Jesus. minimizes Gods commandments. Any teaching that does so, is opposed to God. Grace is not to minimize Gods Word, but the power to uphold it in our lives. Anyone with the holy spirit will teach Gods commandments. The holy spirit in us will never have issue with Gods directives to us. The 10 commandments are summed up in Love one another, because they have always been Love. to have no other gods before the One True God is Love, to not kill, steal, lie to one another is love. To honor parents, to be faithful in marriage is love. to not bear false witness is Love, to not covet your neighbors things and wife is love. the commandments will never change, they are right from the beginning. Grace is that God sent His Son to die for our transgression, and sent His spirit to live in us and enable us to live pleasing and upright lives in the sight of God. true teaching will always agree with Gods word. never exalt an attribute that feels good above keeping Gods word. This newer grace doctrine, along with many, many other doctrines are all false. The only true doctrine is taught By God through Jesus. It has been and always will be fear God and keep His commandments. Because of Grace, we no longer have an excuse that we are unable, Grace made The spirit of God Live in us with power and changes death to life.

I'm surprised the original poster didn't have more of an issue with , not so much jp, but the doctrine he spreads. He is not the only one. And I think people should understand the difference between a brother or sister and a teacher of false doctrine. Love is not always accepting flaws when it comes to doctrine being spread that is destroying the righteousness commanded by God. A person could make murder a doctrine if they wanted by taking scripture out of context. God taught what He taught for a reason, and caused it to be written, so that those who believe do not have to trust in man.
 
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He sure has -- falsely. You will figure it out sometime in the future. Try not to blame God for Prince's false teachings.
Lynn,
I am new to these board so I am not able to discern yet from your posts if it is the Gospel of Grace you oppose or Joseph Prince or both.
I can say I have figured it out thirty years ago when I was born again and learned that abiding in Christ is abiding in Grace.. it is the Gospel, the Good news. I do not need to figure out anything in the future. Jesus did it all and I rest in Him and in that knowledge until that final day when I will see Him.
People who rail against grace preachers do not yet understand Grace.
Grace is not a doctrine or a podcast or a tweet. Grace is not a season to walk through or a midweek seminar. Grace is not one aspect of God’s character to be balanced against his other, less gracious aspects.
Grace is a Person who loves you, died for you, and now lives for you. The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus – there is no difference.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you!
UnderGrace…where I belong!
 

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and one more thing...He does work out all things for the good of those who are His

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Romans 8:28


you don't get a better example of that then Joseph's life IMO

God is developing our character in spite of ourselves...someone said the only problem with a living sacrifice is that it keeps crawling off the altar..

God's purpose is to refine us into the image of His Son...He calls us His children...well, some of us are still in the brat stage and all of us are still being refined

disclaimer: not referring to anyone in particular re the brat stage...but you know, take that as you will
This would make a nice addition to the 'Purging' thread, thx.
 
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I'm not going to defend the Grace message or even argue, I do disagree. I thank God that I have true fulfillment in my life because I'm able to know who God really is. God's grace and the goodness of God is why we are here, it's why Jesus died on the cross, it's why Jesus took the beating and the name calling, spiting and our sins. His LOVE for us is what saved us, it's what put Jesus on that cross. His GRACE is what allows people to even be saved if it weren't for the GRACE of God none of us would be here, thank God for his Grace, Mercy and Love. Thank God that he is God, Paul of the Bible is the real teacher of Grace, it originated from him and God gave it to him. Joseph Prince is one of the people who's kept the Grace message going. Just like Martin Luther did in the 1500's. This isn't some "new" message.
 
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Hi WarriorForChrist., I very much agree with your thoughts and conclusions in your post. What you said about healing is what I've seen to be true in my own body. Some healing is right away while other healing is 10 fold, 20 fold.,30 fold., 50 fold and on it goes as time progresses to a complete healing.

That is how my healing has worked. Each day I've seen healing happen in my body and it is the way the Lord has shown out in my life of His faithfulness.

I've also seen with each person, God deals individually and I can't compare my healing to someone else's. He wants me to keep my focus on Him all the way. It seems to be a very important factor in anything I pray about. That I always have an expectation of good coming from Him. One of the ways the enemy wins is when he can make us weary in well doing. Jesus says to keep on believing one day at a time. To not trust in my own understanding but to trust in Him because He is faithful and will do what He promised. What one of us would give a stone to our child when he asks for food? Isn't God our heavenly Father better than us? He wants us to see how far short our ways are compared to His.

How far short our love is compared to His love. And so unlike the OP is suggesting, I'm not expecting the healing Jesus died to give me to not happen. My responsibility is to keep on believing regardless of what the enemy says., regardless of what the symptoms say. I'm called to be like Jesus and have faith in the love of God for me personally. (very personally) He will not allow my foot to stumble. And He has not.

I've sort of jumped into it with both feet and He has caught me every step of the way. I am learning He really wants that kind of trust. Each day is a new revelation of His love and care for me. I'm learning each day to trust Him more and to do that regardless of what the world, the flesh and the devil say. Heb.11:1
Now faith is the assurance (the confirmation, [SUP][a][/SUP]the title deed) of the things [we] hope for, being the proof of things [we] do not see and the conviction of their reality [faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses].

Thank you for your post of encouragement and keep believing in His faithfulness and He will not let you down. The Bible says over and over that without faith it is impossible to please God. He is pleased when we have an expectation of His love for us. Of good and not evil. It is satan who comes to kill steal and destroy us., not God. Jesus came to give life and that more abundantly. Jesus is the Great Physician and the Good Shepherd. He leads the sheep and He heals the sheep.
I like what you said.:)

Its the truth(WORD of GOD)that makes us free.
We are made free positionally when we get saved and we are being made free progressively as we become In our bodies what we are In our spirit.
 
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Grace is not a doctrine or a podcast or a tweet. Grace is not a season to walk through or a midweek seminar. Grace is not one aspect of God’s character to be balanced against his other, less gracious aspects.
Grace is a Person who loves you, died for you, and now lives for you. The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus – there is no difference.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you!
UnderGrace…where I belong!
^^^^^^
Personification of grace. This is what the gnostic heretics did. They believed that their mystical union with grace/wisdom (Sophia, an aeon or god) is what saved them out of the world of chaos. Prince personifies grace as Mother Grace. I don't know if he has also personified grace as Jesus.
 

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I'm not going to defend the Grace message or even argue, I do disagree. I thank God that I have true fulfillment in my life because I'm able to know who God really is. God's grace and the goodness of God is why we are here, it's why Jesus died on the cross, it's why Jesus took the beating and the name calling, spiting and our sins. His LOVE for us is what saved us, it's what put Jesus on that cross. His GRACE is what allows people to even be saved if it weren't for the GRACE of God none of us would be here, thank God for his Grace, Mercy and Love. Thank God that he is God, Paul of the Bible is the real teacher of Grace, it originated from him and God gave it to him. Joseph Prince is one of the people who's kept the Grace message going. Just like Martin Luther did in the 1500's. This isn't some "new" message.
Too bad Luther would vehemently disagree with Prince on the necessity of Confession of sin...and in those days the 'discussions' weren't exactly gentlemanly :)
 
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Too bad Luther would vehemently disagree with Prince on the necessity of Confession of sin...and in those days the 'discussions' weren't exactly gentlemanly :)
I think Luther also believed in keeping the 10 commandments, which is the exact opposite of what Prince believes.
 
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And Joseph? (not Prince) hated by his brothers, thrown in a pit, falsely accused by a wife, thrown into prison, forgotten 7 extra years...not disobedient...but yes God allowed the events for His purpose.
And David wasn't disobedient when he spent years running away from and then to and then from both Saul and his son. (Can't spell the son's name easily. lol) Yeah, there is no guarantee of stability in the Lord, except FROM the Lord.

I still believe "stability" is Middle-class Americanism, not biblical.
 

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You could of at least used a Scripture to show me what you believed.
Those that ared blind to the fact that we are both sinful and forgiven simutaneously are those same ones who have difficulty seeing that we both are forgiven and need to confess our ongoing sins as the Holy Spirit convicts us of them.
The concept of 'BOTH' seems to be a hard concept to grasp and many twist their pet doctrine one direction.
Jesus is BOTH fully God, fully man.
We are BOTH risen, seated in the heavenlies yet have our being planted here on terra firma.
God's Sovereignty includes BOTH God's will and man's choice.
We are BOTH forgiven and need of forgiveness.
That's how Scripture reveals things, why should I push just one side of the issue?

I have to ask for your forgiveness for misunderstanding the first part of the thing I emboldened.
You are correct according to 1 Jn 1:8, I apologize sir.
As for the second part I emboldened, would you mind giving scripture to explain that, please?
I already messed up once, I wouldn't want to make a habit of repeating it again.
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Those that ared blind to the fact that we are both sinful and forgiven simutaneously are those same ones who have difficulty seeing that we both are forgiven and need to confess our ongoing sins as the Holy Spirit convicts us of them.
The concept of 'BOTH' seems to be a hard concept to grasp and many twist their pet doctrine one direction.
Jesus is BOTH fully God, fully man.
We are BOTH risen, seated in the heavenlies yet have our being planted here on terra firma.
God's Sovereignty includes BOTH God's will and man's choice.
We are BOTH forgiven and need of forgiveness.
That's how Scripture reveals things, why should I push just one side of the issue?

I have to ask for your forgiveness for misunderstanding the first part of the thing I emboldened.
You are correct according to 1 Jn 1:8, I apologize sir.
As for the second part I emboldened, would you mind giving scripture to explain that, please?
I already messed up once, I wouldn't want to make a habit of repeating it again.
Thanks for your honesty. I used Psalm 51 as an example when challenged previously.
 
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If you would note ma'am, I said "In most cases..."
The reason why the disciples asked if it was either the man or his parents, is because of what was written in the law.
Those under the law of sin, who have fallen from the grace of God, albeit in many cases, temporary, are subject to the consequences of the sin that is written in the old testament. Just because we are under a new covenant, doesn't mean we can't fall into the old at times. When one moves out of faith, they are no longer in the kingdom of God, nor are they under the grace of God that covers sin.
Take a look around you. Probably more than half the church is sick or has something wrong with them and have to depend on doctors, medication, and treatments to get by.
There is at least one thing I know, and that is that you have to believe to get healed or for your prayers to be answered.
If you don't know what the will of God is, then you will have no faith. No faith, means no answer.
If you depend on the word of God or the gospel for your salvation, then you should do the same for your healing. The good news didn't stop at salvation, but Jesus came to give us life, and to give it more abundantly.
Is sickness life more abundantly? No.
Is poverty life more abundantly? No.
If I didn't know what I wrote was truth, then I wouldn't have written it. I would have added, 'I believe' or 'I think'. But because I believe what is written, as it is written, and many in the church do not, I am made out to be a heretic.
Can or does a child see or understand what the parents do?
Can or does a nonbeliever see or understand what a believer sees and understands?
Can the ignorant know what has not been revealed to them?
Can those who walk in the natural, walk in the spirit at the same time?
Can those who keep God's word before their eyes see things the way those who don't?
The answer to all those questions is a resounding, no.
So neither can I see things the way those who don't look at everything through the word of God. Even as I couldn't see at the time, how my wife drove her car without gasoline, twice. Once for two hours and another for 2 and 1/2 hrs. Or how she commanded the water in the basement to be gone in two hours without bailing or pumping the water out, when everyone else was bailing and pumping theirs for days. Where did the water go, when it had no place to go? Where did the fuel come from when there was no fuel in the tank? How did she get perfect eye sight over night?
It was all by faith. And that was because she was looking at everything the way God does. We are to think, speak, and walk like God.
When you stop looking at the natural and keep you eyes on the promises of God, then you can really believe, and nothing will be impossible to you. Even as it is written.
I have been on both sides of the fence, concerning the way I see things, and looking at things through the rose colored classes of God's word. And I have found that when I failed to believe, I got nothing, as it is written. And when I really believed, more like know that it was done, then I got what I believed, as I believed, every time, without fail, even as it is written.
I have done a good bit of studying on the subject of healing and deliverance, and I have many testimonies and experiences of what I have written, and yes, I believe differently than most on this forum, but do not assume just because I don't see things the way you do, that I am wrong, believing a lie, and that you are correct, holding the truth.
When you see through, believe, and act on the promises of God, nothing looks impossible any more, but all thing are made possible.
One of the problems with many in the church of today is that they only believe the scriptures concerning salvation, but not the ones concerning our healing, deliverance, answered prayer, or even having what they say.
The church has even made the truth of God's word concerning the Word of faith, into a lie.
When Jesus said, " He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. ", He meant exactly that. Those who don't really believe on Him, will not be able to do the same or greater works than Jesus did. Though it is a process in getting there.
You cannot do any of the works that Jesus did, not know the will of the Father, either.
So if you don't know that it's the Father's will to heal His children or for your loved ones, for that matter, then you don't know the will of God or whole gospel.
One must believe in order to receive, and if you have hardened your heart against this truth, then you cannot receive your healing from God.
Again, a lot of believing without scriptural evidence.

Nope. That's not it. God is perfectly capable of healing or not healing according to his purposes. And he's the one able, not our wishing just hard enough to make it so. Jesus reattached a soldier's ear after someone cut it off in the Garden of Gethsemane. Was it because that solider -- who was taking him away to be killed -- believed enough, trusted enough, had faith enough? I don't think so.

God healed me when I was pretty sure he wouldn't. He didn't heal me when I was sure he would. Hos power. Not mine.
 

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Never mind. You do what Grace does -- hit and runs.

I'm so very sorry my husband had a massive heart attack SIX months ago, so now I'm fully in charge of the house, my usual chores, getting the sidewalk fixed because we were sued the same day he was transferred from one ICU to another, have to keep buying him clothes because he lost 90 pounds, but couldn't stand up to measure what size he was now, have to figure out a way of getting him dentures, since they took out all of his teeth, learned how to clear out a cleanout before I found out I didn't have to learn it, thought I was kind of finally caught up this week so I can finally have time to deal with my goiter, but, lo and behold, he DARES to go back into the ICU AGAIN for a freaking hemorrhoid, and all this, I'm so sure you find so very tiring because it doesn't go along with your play time and you're own long winded pontifications along with intentionally misunderstanding every single thing I've said to toot your own horn!

Yeah! I'll be sure to tell him how annoying our life is for you and how dare I let people know that a full crew of people come on to this site to fight over a false teacher!

Gotcha! So glad we got that ironed out. Sure makes me know not to take on several hours of work for DARING to do exactly what you never wanted me to so -- the homework that shows me IF your out-of-context "scripture" means what you say it means.

I may be naive, but I'm not half as stupid as you think I am. Nor a quarter as sanctimonious as you. I was actually going to put in the effort to give you a full answer only to find out you didn't listen from the get-go, so why bother?

Ask OldHermit. Took me ten days to answer him back when I had a normal life simply because he was willing to wait. Apparently, you're just too important for even that!

Lynn, I've known about your challenges for some time now, and have prayed for both you and your husband on several occasions as I've sat in hospital rooms with our son while he was either having heavy, inpatient chemotherapy or was in the hospital with fever events and no immune system on IV antibiotics and round the clock care. Days and days on end with an 11 year old boy patiently fighting for his life. All while we were both over 200 miles away from the rest of our family and our home for weeks at a time.

I get it. I'm sorry for your circumstances and have empathy for what you and your husband are going through.

To accuse me of 'hit and run' posting is inaccurate, however. I post when and if I have time, and if I need to go for a period of time, I let folks know.

I've posted several substantive posts on this thread which address the article in the OP, including THIS one, THIS one, and THIS one.

And I totally get it if you don't have time to respond to them, but I don't believe that's the case.

This is your thread. You've made your OP and continued to take pot-shots at those who are challenging your OP, but claiming you don't have time to prove the premise of your OP, which is that "Joseph Prince is a Cancerous Growth within God's People".

Yet you've found time to post on at least 11 different threads (appx. 54 posts, I counted), including on the thread entitled, "How CC is like Stuffed Animals"
over the last 21 hours, the approximate time that this thread has existed.

So while I empathize with what you and your husband are going through in life right now, I don't think it unreasonable to not take you as seriously as you take yourself in regard to your 'reporting' or 'editorializing' skills and intents. My opinion is that you like to stir the pot and get a rise out of people with inflammatory language. I also have my opinions as to why, but I'll keep those to myself.

And you know what? I'm okay with ALL of that. I've been known to stir a few pots in my time, too! But always with the intent of building up the body in Truth AND Love - spurring one another on to maturity. The end goal is ALWAYS to build up, not to tear down.

So if you have the time (or take the time you have) to look at those three links to the substantive posts I referred to above, perhaps you'll think about replying to them since this is your thread. Or not. I'm totally cool either way.

Grace and peace,
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Too bad Luther would vehemently disagree with Prince on the necessity of Confession of sin...and in those days the 'discussions' weren't exactly gentlemanly :)

Luther dedicated himself to the Augustinian order, devoting himself to fasting, long hours in prayer, pilgrimage, and frequent confession.[SUP][21][/SUP] Luther described this period of his life as one of deep spiritual despair. He said, "I lost touch with Christ the Savior and Comforter, and made of him the jailer and hangman of my poor soul."[SUP][22][/SUP]Johann von Staupitz, his superior, pointed Luther's mind away from continual reflection upon his sins toward the merits of Christ. He taught that true repentance does not involve self-inflicted penances and punishments but rather a change of heart.[SUP][23] (source)[/SUP]​


Luther's journey was a long and varied one . . . indeed he brought truth of Grace back into the Body of Christ to a degree. Like any other man, however, he had flaws in his belief system and did have some outright error in what he taught and thought. Anyone who studies Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Tyndale . . . all played parts in the Body . . . not one was perfect, and at least one became a murderous tyrant, more tied to his theology than to his Savior.

Yet God used them anyway.

Too bad some cannot see the same about Prince.


-JGIG
 

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Off to get ready for church . . . later!

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