Why such hatred for the seventh day?

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JaumeJ

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Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh even until now, and I work.

Do you not understand the Father is always working. Are you breathing on your own? Is your hair on your head? Does your heart beat?

Are you so centered as to believe you are responsible for your own life in keeping it alive? If Yahweh decided to take His breath back to Him, you will go back into the dust. You do not know this?
 
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So, if we find in word for word transliterations (Diaglott), lexicons and other sources that the word really means Sabbath, the translation is wrong because it doesn't agree with what you WISH it said?



I do not enter that rest by keeping the Sabbath and you don't enter by not keeping the Sabbath. That rest, the Millennium, is not even here yet. The Sabbath is the shadow, the type, the forerunner of the Millennium.



Are you sure you really believe what you wrote here? Let's substitute another Commandment here and see if you stick by what you put in print...



So, how about it? Wanna substitute adultery or lying in your statement? Or is it just the fourth Commandment that you will not keep?
The issue that people have has to do with whether or not we are required to keep the Sabbath as they did under the law when it was instituted by Moses. People don't have an issue or whether they should commit adultery or not, steal or not, covet or not, but they do have an issue with the requirement to keep the Sabbath, which day it refers to and whether they can work on that day or not. If we are required to keep the Sabbath, tell me how we are to keep it. The commandment says this...

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Has any of this changed to fit the NT believer or does it remain the same? I believe that those who keep the Sabbath as it is recorded in Exodus 20 keep it according to verse (6) that says this...

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

I believe that some of you keep the Sabbath as an expression of loving God and to obtain the promise of mercy as it is written because of verse (6). Nothing evil about that, but for those who have been saved by grace through the sacrifice of Christ, if they do not remember or honor the Sabbath does that mean they do not love God nor look to obtain mercy from God? If a believer does not observe the Sabbath (according to Moses) does that mean that they forfeit the blessings associated with observing it? If a believer works on the Sabbath day (Saturday or Sunday, whatever his persuasion in his own conscience) has he violated the Sabbath and has he forfeited the promises of mercy associated with it? I have more question, but here are just a few.
 
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That rest, the Millennium, is not even here yet. The Sabbath is the shadow, the type, the forerunner of the Millennium.
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Not to be argumentative, but says who? Who says it’s speaking about the Millennium? It’s a rest from works and trying to merit Gods favor. Jesus said it is finished from the cross. What do you think he meant? God’s wrath and been fully poured out the debt of sin had been paid, the law becomes powerless to those in Christ, to those outside it drives them to the cross.
 

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Not to be argumentative, but says who? Who says it’s speaking about the Millennium? It’s a rest from works and trying to merit Gods favor. Jesus said it is finished from the cross. What do you think he meant? God’s wrath and been fully poured out the debt of sin had been paid, the law becomes powerless to those in Christ, to those outside it drives them to the cross.
The Millennium is the 1000 year reign of Christ...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The week, 6 days of our labor (under Satan's influence) and 1 day of rest (under Christ) is pictured by the calendar week.

This is also a 7000 year plan of God that brings us to the time of the Great White Throne Judgment and the New Jerusalem...

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

And we see that the Millennium (Merriam-Webster: a period of 1,000 years) is the last day of that week (Rev 20:7-15).
 

john832

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Not to be argumentative, but says who? Who says it’s speaking about the Millennium? It’s a rest from works and trying to merit Gods favor. Jesus said it is finished from the cross.
Then why commission the church to preach the gospel? Why should He return? Why should there be a 1000 year reign of Christ? and why should there be a Great White Throne Judgment if all was finished at the cross? It's all over and you and I missed it. So has everyone else that has lived since that moment.

What really was finished was prophesied by Daniel...

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Now all is not finished and that is easily provable from the same book. If vision and prophecy were sealed up (finished) then where does this fit in?

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

What do you think he meant? God’s wrath and been fully poured out the debt of sin had been paid, the law becomes powerless to those in Christ, to those outside it drives them to the cross.


Oh, so the Law is powerless? So one that commits adultery or lies, no longer needs the sacrifice of Christ because the Law is powerless?

You sure about that? Paul wasn't...

Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Notice here who becomes dead to what. The Law does not become dead to those in Christ, we become dead to the Law.

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

The real culprit here is us...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

We still do those things which bring death, we sin...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

And sin results in death...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

but God gives us eternal life because Christ paid the price for our sins, He did not do away with the Law, He paid the penalty the Law enacts.
 
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Not arguing either way here..............but just saying; I have always found it interesting when reading from Corinthians about this.............

1st Corinthians 15:22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 .) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 .) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 .) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 .) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 .) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 .) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Now, if we BELIEVE in the Birth, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.............must we not BELIEVE that He HAS DEFEATED DEATH? And, if He HAS defeated death, which is the LAST ENEMY, why do we look for another?

I just find it interesting............
 

john832

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Not arguing either way here..............but just saying; I have always found it interesting when reading from Corinthians about this.............

1st Corinthians 15:22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 .) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 .) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 .) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 .) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 .) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 .) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Now, if we BELIEVE in the Birth, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.............must we not BELIEVE that He HAS DEFEATED DEATH? And, if He HAS defeated death, which is the LAST ENEMY, why do we look for another?

I just find it interesting............
Even more interesting...

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Had not yet occurred in Paul's day...

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Not yet, at the time of the resurrection.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
 
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Then why commission the church to preach the gospel?
Two reasons one were commanded to and secondly how can you say you love people and be indiffernt to them spending eternity in Hell?

Why should He return?

Because he said he would and God dosent lie, and to show to the nations that he is Lord. [/quote]

Why should there be a 1000 year reign of Christ?
To fullfill the covenant with Israel of the land.

and why should there be a Great White Throne Judgment if all was finished at the cross?
Because God is Just and just and sin needs to be punished that has not been atonned for by Christ. We are NOT universalist that everyone gets a free pass the atonement is limited to those that have repented and put their faith and trust in Christ alone for their salvation.

It's all over and you and I missed it. So has everyone else that has lived since that moment.
Missed what?

What really was finished was prophesied by Daniel...
What strange new teaching is this, are you telling me Daniels 70 weeks have already been completed?

Now all is not finished and that is easily provable from the same book. If vision and prophecy were sealed up (finished) then where does this fit in?
I can write a book like the Bible and say that is finished and that not a jot or title can be added. That just means you can’t add to it. Prophecy always has a near and a far term fulfilment Obadiah is a great example, Edom is /was cursed by God Edom no longer exist as a nation they don’t have land that’s a partial fulfillment but on the day of The Lord other nations like Babylon will be restored but Edom and her people will be wiped off the face of the earth they have Gods word on it.
Oh, so the Law is powerless?
There is no condemenation for those that are in Christ, GUILT to be carried if it is repented of as its been paid for past, present and future.

So one that commits adultery or lies, no longer needs the sacrifice of Christ because the Law is powerless?
Your being silly trying to twist my words!
 
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I could also say that I notice that everybody who (chokes) on the 7th day refuses to acknowledge that the disciples met the first day of the week.....
...and through the night and break bread after midnight. Hopefully not too many fall from their chair due to sleepiness and hurt themselves because not too many preachers have the gift to heal like brother Hinn today... :)
 

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Two reasons one were commanded to and secondly how can you say you love people and be indiffernt to them spending eternity in Hell?
But all is finished, right?




Because he said he would and God dosent lie, and to show to the nations that he is Lord.

But all is finished, right?

To fullfill the covenant with Israel of the land.

But all is finished, right?

Because God is Just and just and sin needs to be punished that has not been atonned for by Christ. We are NOT universalist that everyone gets a free pass the atonement is limited to those that have repented and put their faith and trust in Christ alone for their salvation.

But all is finished, right?

Missed what?


What strange new teaching is this, are you telling me Daniels 70 weeks have already been completed?

But all is finished, right?



I can write a book like the Bible and say that is finished and that not a jot or title can be added. That just means you can’t add to it. Prophecy always has a near and a far term fulfilment Obadiah is a great example, Edom is /was cursed by God Edom no longer exist as a nation they don’t have land that’s a partial fulfillment but on the day of The Lord other nations like Babylon will be restored but Edom and her people will be wiped off the face of the earth they have Gods word on it.

But all is finished, right?

There is no condemenation for those that are in Christ, GUILT to be carried if it is repented of as its been paid for past, present and future.

But all is finished, right?

Your being silly trying to twist my words!
Nope you quoted all is finished to do away with the Law. Now either all is finished or all is not finished and Christ did not mean all things, He meant that a particular part of a prophecy was completed, that the sacrifice for sin was completed but all was not completed.

Which is it? Is ALL finished? Or is the sacrifices for sin and His job as a human on earth finished?
 

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Is all finished? or is this what Christ meant when He said it is finished?

Joh 17:4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
 
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Is all finished? or is this what Christ meant when He said it is finished?

Joh 17:4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
It gets us to the same place, that Christ came to fulfill Gods plan of salvation so that man could be reconciled to God but has nothing to do wil the Millennium.
 

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It gets us to the same place, that Christ came to fulfill Gods plan of salvation so that man could be reconciled to God but has nothing to do wil the Millennium.
Sure it does, the Kingdom of God is the return of Christ and establishing the Kingdom of God on earth and the beginning of the Millennium. That has not occurred yet...

Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"

The seventh of seven trumpets, i.e. the last trump and then the Kingdoms of this world become the Kingdom of God...

Dan 2:32 This image's head was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
Dan 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.
Dan 2:34 You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces.
Dan 2:35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

now for the interpretation...

Dan 2:36 "This is the dream. Now we will tell the interpretation of it before the king.

I am skipping almost 3000 years of history here to get to the last days...

Dan 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others.

Rome

Dan 2:41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay.
Dan 2:42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile.

Rev 17:12 "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.

The toes are the very end of the legs and feet. The last resurrection at the time of the end.

Dan 2:43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

When does God set up Kingdom? In the days of these last ten kings and just as we read in Rev 11:15, The Kingdom of God will conquer all the kingdoms of earth and rule the earth.

Dan 2:45 Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure."
 
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The issue that people have has to do with whether or not we are required to keep the Sabbath as they did under the law when it was instituted by Moses. People don't have an issue or whether they should commit adultery or not, steal or not, covet or not, but they do have an issue with the requirement to keep the Sabbath, which day it refers to and whether they can work on that day or not. If we are required to keep the Sabbath, tell me how we are to keep it. The commandment says this...

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Has any of this changed to fit the NT believer or does it remain the same? I believe that those who keep the Sabbath as it is recorded in Exodus 20 keep it according to verse (6) that says this...

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

I believe that some of you keep the Sabbath as an expression of loving God and to obtain the promise of mercy as it is written because of verse (6). Nothing evil about that, but for those who have been saved by grace through the sacrifice of Christ, if they do not remember or honor the Sabbath does that mean they do not love God nor look to obtain mercy from God? If a believer does not observe the Sabbath (according to Moses) does that mean that they forfeit the blessings associated with observing it? If a believer works on the Sabbath day (Saturday or Sunday, whatever his persuasion in his own conscience) has he violated the Sabbath and has he forfeited the promises of mercy associated with it? I have more question, but here are just a few.
You said it well that people don't have issue with other commandments but the fourth one which, interesting enough, is to be remembered and is given the longest explanation among the others.
This commandment says one and his family and those under his control are to rest physically.
One would argue many couldn't possibly rest like law keepers (just so there's no misunderstanding, the police force) etc but even in the "OT" the priests and the gatekeepers were not given rest on the Sabbath and had to rest on different days so like then, like now there should not be an issue.

Regarding Exodus 20:6, it's not only for the fourth commandment so the question is, if one could not honor the other nine commandments periodically would he forfeit the promises of mercy?
 
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If you observe and keep the Sabbath according to the law, then you must also keep what is in the law. James says that if we offend or are guilty of breaking any point of the law, which includes the 10 commandment, then we are guilty of the whole law. Let me spell it out for you so that you can understand that... If you have offended the law at any point then you have broken even the Sabbath, because the law is singular and a whole with its many points. You can not separate the 10 commandments of the law. Here is the rendition and it illustrates the law of the 10 commandments...

James 2:10,11
10 For whosoever keeps the Law [as a] whole but stumbles and offends in one [single instance] has become guilty of [breaking] all of it.
11 For He Who said, You shall not commit adultery, also said, You shall not kill (and said also to remember and keep the Sabbath holy). If you do not commit adultery but do kill, you have become guilty of transgressing the [whole] Law.

If you Keep the Sabbath and do anything to violate inwardly through the thoughts and intents of the heart or outwardly with your hands or feet as deeds concerning any part of the law then you have become a transgressor and that includes being guilty of not keeping the Sabbath. For when you rest from your labors on the Sabbath that does not nullify you from keeping the rest of the law. On the Sabbath if you transgress any part of the law then you are a transgressor of the whole law, not just part of it. That includes even you JaumeJ and Red Tent and John832 because you want to keep the law of the Sabbath.

Mt 5:27,28
27 You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery.
28 But I say to you that everyone who so much as looks at a woman with evil desire for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart (and has broken the whole law, even the Sabbath).

Have any of you robbed God of tithes and offerings or do you not consider that to be important because you do not consider that a violation of commandment #8 or have any of you bore false witness against your brother or neighbor and violated #9, by not loving your neighbor or calling your brother evil by accusing him of teaching others to break the law, even of the Sabbath?
 

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You said it well that people don't have issue with other commandments but the fourth one which, interesting enough, is to be remembered and is given the longest explanation among the others.
This commandment says one and his family and those under his control are to rest physically.
One would argue many couldn't possibly rest like law keepers (just so there's no misunderstanding, the police force) etc but even in the "OT" the priests and the gatekeepers were not given rest on the Sabbath and had to rest on different days so like then, like now there should not be an issue.

Regarding Exodus 20:6, it's not only for the fourth commandment so the question is, if one could not honor the other nine commandments periodically would he forfeit the promises of mercy?
It is also the "test" Commandment...

Exo 16:4 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not.
Exo 16:5 And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily."

And it is a sign between God and His people...

Exo 31:17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.' "
 

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to chubbena again.
 
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You said it well that people don't have issue with other commandments but the fourth one which, interesting enough, is to be remembered and is given the longest explanation among the others.
This commandment says one and his family and those under his control are to rest physically.
One would argue many couldn't possibly rest like law keepers (just so there's no misunderstanding, the police force) etc but even in the "OT" the priests and the gatekeepers were not given rest on the Sabbath and had to rest on different days so like then, like now there should not be an issue.

Regarding Exodus 20:6, it's not only for the fourth commandment so the question is, if one could not honor the other nine commandments periodically would he forfeit the promises of mercy?
Good point brother. We are in a race, we are to be overcomers as Messiah was an overcomer to inherit the Kingdom. Some of us has answered a calling to be servants in a fallen world, and in such a way that we cannot observe Sabbath as say, a little grandma like myself. God looks at the heart, the desire to be obedient, ones quest to follow Messiah in all our ways. Sabbath was made for man to draw nearer to our Maker, honoring Him.

Isn't it interesting:Then the LORD said to Moses, "I will rain down bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions.
 

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Karraster again.

Give us this day our daily bread...........many meanings.........thank you.
 

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If you observe and keep the Sabbath according to the law, then you must also keep what is in the law. James says that if we offend or are guilty of breaking any point of the law, which includes the 10 commandment, then we are guilty of the whole law. Let me spell it out for you so that you can understand that... If you have offended the law at any point then you have broken even the Sabbath, because the law is singular and a whole with its many points. You can not separate the 10 commandments of the law. Here is the rendition and it illustrates the law of the 10 commandments...

James 2:10,11
10 For whosoever keeps the Law [as a] whole but stumbles and offends in one [single instance] has become guilty of [breaking] all of it.
11 For He Who said, You shall not commit adultery, also said, You shall not kill (and said also to remember and keep the Sabbath holy). If you do not commit adultery but do kill, you have become guilty of transgressing the [whole] Law.

If you Keep the Sabbath and do anything to violate inwardly through the thoughts and intents of the heart or outwardly with your hands or feet as deeds concerning any part of the law then you have become a transgressor and that includes being guilty of not keeping the Sabbath. For when you rest from your labors on the Sabbath that does not nullify you from keeping the rest of the law. On the Sabbath if you transgress any part of the law then you are a transgressor of the whole law, not just part of it. That includes even you JaumeJ and Red Tent and John832 because you want to keep the law of the Sabbath.

Mt 5:27,28
27 You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery.
28 But I say to you that everyone who so much as looks at a woman with evil desire for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart (and has broken the whole law, even the Sabbath).

Have any of you robbed God of tithes and offerings or do you not consider that to be important because you do not consider that a violation of commandment #8 or have any of you bore false witness against your brother or neighbor and violated #9, by not loving your neighbor or calling your brother evil by accusing him of teaching others to break the law, even of the Sabbath?
So, let me ask, does James put a condition on these verses...

Jas 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. - NKJV

Now where in the entire book of James does he say, IF YOU CHOOSE to obey the Law and break it, then you are guilty of all?

What he says is that if you break a point of the Law then you are guilty of all. Nowhere does he give the option of ignoring the Law.