Why the king james?

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Agricola

Agricola

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KJV1611 said:
Yes we have countless manuscripts and translations across the world, it has been preserved. I do not accept your interpretation and the manipulation of English bible texts to come to the flawed conclusion that "the King James is the perfect Bible as it has been refined seven times, seriously how deluded you are if you think this. This verse does not refer to the King James Bible, it could in fact refer to just about any other language going, how do we know it does not mean a Chinese version of the Bible?
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Can you show the doctrine of word preservation in the NIV?
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Are you incapable of answering a question without resorting to replying with a question?

This tells me you do not have anything to back up what you say. This is not first time either, I continually ask simple questions which if you are correct you should be able to give clear concise explanation, even if it is in bullet points, but you never have done so, you only respond with an attack and ignore points of discussion when they become too exposed to defend.
 
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Can you see Christ here?

1 Samuel 1:8 KJV
Then said Elkanah her husband to her, Hannah, why weepest thou? and why eatest thou not? and why is thy heart grieved? am not I better to thee than ten sons?
 
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KJV1611

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Agricola said:
Are you incapable of answering a question without resorting to replying with a question?

This tells me you do not have anything to back up what you say. This is not first time either, I continually ask simple questions which if you are correct you should be able to give clear concise explanation, even if it is in bullet points, but you never have done so, you only respond with an attack and ignore points of discussion when they become too exposed to defend.
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I can't do it... sorry. Edit - I can't prove the KJV is inerrant.
 
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Can you see Christ and the Holy Spirit in this story? Also can you see Christ giving the "living water" to the Old Testament scriptures in this story? Again, none of this is written in the letter... the words written down on paper, it's in the spirit of those words.

Genesis 24:10-11 KJV
And the servant took ten camels of the camels of his master, and departed; for all the goods of his master were in his hand: and he arose, and went to Mesopotamia, unto the city of Nahor. [11] And he made his camels to kneel down without the city by a well of water at the time of the evening, even the time that women go out to draw water .
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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KJV1611 said:
Can you see Christ and the Holy Spirit in this story? Also can you see Christ giving the "living water" to the Old Testament scriptures in this story? Again, none of this is written in the letter... the words written down on paper, it's in the spirit of those words.

Genesis 24:10-11 KJV
And the servant took ten camels of the camels of his master, and departed; for all the goods of his master were in his hand: and he arose, and went to Mesopotamia, unto the city of Nahor. [11] And he made his camels to kneel down without the city by a well of water at the time of the evening, even the time that women go out to draw water .
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Can you clarify your question?
 
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KJV1611 said:
I don't think it's bible hang ups, it's the same old story... the flesh children have always persecuted the spirit children. Think about it, they hated Jesus, called him a blashpemer and eventually killed him. For what reason? Because Jesus talked about the spirit of the scripture and they couldn't understand it because they could not hear his word in the scripture. No different here on this thread, I talk about the spirit of the letter and folks hate me for it. Just wait... the stones will be flying after they read this lol.
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when you see stuff like this, run away as fast as you can!!! pure cult language.
 
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Man is in control of what God has said. That's the way man likes it. Pick and choose which you feel is the best book, chapter, verse, and word. If you don't like it, pick another translation that agrees with you and go with that.

No thank you! I'd rather have God in control of what He has said.

There's truth to be had in Luke 10:1, "After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come."

Did Jesus send out 70 or 72 men? V.17 "And the SEVENTY returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name."


This section of Scripture is relating historical facts, and the Traditional Greek texts tell us that Jesus sent out SEVENTY men. This is the reading found in the Majority of all Greek texts, including Sinaiticus, A, and C to name just a few. However the Vaticanus manuscript has SEVENTY TWO men sent out in both verse 1 and 17. The confusion is seen in the multitude of modern versions where not even the critical text editions agree among themselves.

God's word is truth. It is HUGE deal to mess around with God's truth.

Agricola said:
Yes we have countless manuscripts and translations across the world, it has been preserved. I do not accept your interpretation and the manipulation of English bible texts to come to the flawed conclusion that "the King James is the perfect Bible as it has been refined seven times, seriously how deluded you are if you think this. This verse does not refer to the King James Bible, it could in fact refer to just about any other language going, how do we know it does not mean a Chinese version of the Bible?
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John146 said:
Man is in control of what God has said. That's the way man likes it. Pick and choose which you feel is the best book, chapter, verse, and word. If you don't like it, pick another translation that agrees with you and go with that.

No thank you! I'd rather have God in control of what He has said.

There's truth to be had in Luke 10:1, "After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come."

Did Jesus send out 70 or 72 men? V.17 "And the SEVENTY returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name."


This section of Scripture is relating historical facts, and the Traditional Greek texts tell us that Jesus sent out SEVENTY men. This is the reading found in the Majority of all Greek texts, including Sinaiticus, A, and C to name just a few. However the Vaticanus manuscript has SEVENTY TWO men sent out in both verse 1 and 17. The confusion is seen in the multitude of modern versions where not even the critical text editions agree among themselves.

God's word is truth. It is HUGE deal to mess around with God's truth.
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Did man, or God put the pen to the paper in order to create the KJV bible?
 
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John146

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It's God's way of preserving His inspired words in another the language as he foresaw the English language exploding. He would use this language for the beginnings of the world's largest missionary movement.

The originals were God's words and the writers preserved them by writing them down as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. The words were inspired, not the men.

PeacefulWarrior said:
Did man, or God put the pen to the paper in order to create the KJV bible?
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John146 said:
It's God's way of preserving His inspired words in another the language as he foresaw the English language exploding. He would use this language for the beginnings of the world's largest missionary movement.

The originals were God's words and the writers preserved them by writing them down as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. The words were inspired, not the men.
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I think I catch your drift.

I disagree with your conclusion, but I'm OK with that; I'd like to agree to disagree.

More important than accuracy of text is this: Is the Gospel of Christ the version's story? Or, rather, is the deity of Christ being omitted?

If your favorite version of the Bible paints the picture of Christ as God, then it's a trustworthy version.
 
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The only untrustworthy versions I can think of are the Joseph Smith and Lighthouse versions--and I don't even feel 100% OK with stating this here. For, who am I to judge another's faith? Who am I to tell another their scriptures are false? We walk by faith, not by sight.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I can't do it... sorry. Edit - I can't prove the KJV is inerrant.
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Bump.

Finally got to a truth, so it's just an opinion on your part.
Thats all we have been trying to tell you. :)
 
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John146

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Yes, however, if the text you use has errors in it, why would a lost person want to here about the Savior of that text? What do we have to stand up against the world's view, if we don't have 100% truth to rely on? I need the word of God to appeal to for truth.

PeacefulWarrior said:
I think I catch your drift.

I disagree with your conclusion, but I'm OK with that; I'd like to agree to disagree.

More important than accuracy of text is this: Is the Gospel of Christ the version's story? Or, rather, is the deity of Christ being omitted?

If your favorite version of the Bible paints the picture of Christ as God, then it's a trustworthy version.
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John146

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Innocent until proven guilty. The KJV has been attacked since its beginning, but has never been proven wrong. What people do not understand is the KJV was not even written in the common language of that day. The writers wanted to be true to the text and could not use the common language of English because it had already begun to be changed. In 1611, no one talked using "thees and thous." But these words make the text more valid.

Miri said:
Bump.

Finally got to a truth, so it's just an opinion on your part.
Thats all we have been trying to tell you. :)
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John146 said:
Innocent until proven guilty. The KJV has been attacked since its beginning, but has never been proven wrong. What people do not understand is the KJV was not even written in the common language of that day. The writers wanted to be true to the text and could not use the common language of English because it had already begun to be changed. In 1611, no one talked using "thees and thous." But these words make the text more valid.
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I have never attacked the KJV, see my previous posts.
 
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Ok, I was just using this term in a generic fashion. I apologize if you thought I was meaning you. I am not part of the crowd on this board who attack people.

One thing I am passionate about, however, is the word of God. I couldn't be passionate over something that I believed contained errors. That would make it just another book.

Miri said:
I have never attacked the KJV, see my previous posts.
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