Why Universalism is a lie.

[Magenta]

Yes, but not all of them know WHICH being is God or perhaps Michael. When they hear spoken words they don't all know whether they come from Michael or from Satan or from God. But as they get deeper and deeper into judgement they may choose to abandon some of the commands they hear because it becomes much clearer which being is responsible for those words.

What about James 2:19? You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder. They know there is one God but not Who that one God is? Please excuse me for saying so, but that seems a bit out there... especially considering the fact that the demons Jesus cast out recognized Him for Who He was.

I have to go for a while but will be back later

 

[RevelationMan]

What about James 2:19? You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder. They know there is one God but not Who that one God is? Please excuse me for saying so, but that seems a bit out there... especially considering the fact that the demons Jesus cast out recognized Him for Who He was.

I have to go for a while but will be back later

It is not always clear for us where a thought comes from and which thought or feeling is from God. Likewise, the fallen angels may not always know either where words, statements or a command comes from. They recognized Jesus because they knew he was coming and witnessed many of the things he did.

 

[Magenta]

It is not always clear for us where a thought comes from and which thought or feeling is from God. Likewise, the fallen angels may not always know either where words, statements or a command comes from. They recognized Jesus because they knew he was coming and witnessed many of the things he did.

Do you have a Scripture passage for this? Or the following statement of the one I put in bold?

 

[RevelationMan]

Do you have a Scripture passage for this? Or the following statement of the one I put in bold?

I'm giving you a rational consistent explanation of how the fallen angels may be saved if what I say is true. I don't currently have a passage in mind but will think about it. Although in Acts 19 the evil spirit new Jesus and Paul but did not know where the other men came from so they tested it out by beating them up. -Blessings to you

 

[tourist]

I only mentioned it in case someone or
"allsaved" was expecting a response.
Try to be helpful and people give you a hard time.
Gee whiz!!

No need to go corona on me. for this minor infraction.

 

[tourist]

It does not always show that way... "Guest" is given most often when a person requests that there membership be removed.

If you click on his profile you will read "user's profile not available"...

There is an option that enables this feature regarding public viewing of profiles so as to maintain privacy. You can also limit certain members from accessing the profile page.

Personally, I don't believe that limiting access to the profile promotes Christian fellowship as the information that a member provides can be a snapshot of who they are and what they are about.

Some members respond to posts but provide little or none information of who they really are, and for myself, I really want to know who the members are and any details provided are useful, especially pertaining to giving an appropriate response based on the current flow of any particular conversation in the forums.

For the record, I believe you to be quite transparent and I appreciate that about you.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I'm giving you a rational consistent explanation of how the fallen angels may be saved if what I say is true.

There is no salvation for fallen angels. And there is no need for conjectures either.

 

[tourist]

There is no salvation for fallen angels. And there is no need for conjectures either.

All of this drama on earth through the ages is the result of sin. Satan should just tell God he is sorry and God might forget the whole thing.

 

[EleventhHour]

No need to go corona on me. for this minor infraction.

I will keep that in mind.... I generally do venture into other threads ... I will to use better restraint next time lest I find myself going Corona on someone which by the way I did not...I simply stated a fact.

 

[Magenta]

No need to go corona on me. for this minor infraction.

Whose infraction? I was trying to be be helpful and it is called giving someone a hard time after they claim not to take it personally, and going on and on about it after saying they did not want to discuss it further. That is not what I call being transparent

Though I do see through the deception. It has been on their agenda for a while.

 

[tourist]

Whose infraction? I was trying to be be helpful and it is called giving someone a hard time after they claim not to take it personally, and going on and on about it after saying they did not want to discuss it further. That is not what I call being transparentThough I do see through the deception. It has been on their agenda for a while.

Yeah, it happen to me too. I just made up that 'going corona' stuff but I'm sure that there are many that are already saying the same thing. Kind of amusing in a rather insensitive way I suppose. I must be wired wrong or somethin'.

 

[Magenta]

Yeah, it happen to me too. I just made up that 'going corona' stuff but I'm sure that there are many that are already saying the same thing. Kind of amusing in a rather insensitive way I suppose. I must be wired wrong or somethin'.

Oh, no, Jerry, I do not find you insensitive at all.

Your lovely wife got caught up in the same person's double speak

 

[tourist]

Oh, no, Jerry, I do not find you insensitive at all.

Your lovely wife got caught up in the same person's double speak

Thank you for being so kind to me and Darlene. You are very much appreciated and prayed for. I pray for Bob as well as he is often on my mind.

 

[Dino246]

I will keep that in mind.... I generally do venture into other threads ... I will to use better restraint next time lest I find myself going Corona on someone which by the way I did not...I simply stated a fact.

You can go Corona on me if I can have a Guinness on you.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I must be wired wrong or somethin

Looks like you must we wired for tourism (which is severely limited right now).

 

[tourist]

Looks like you must we wired for tourism (which is severely limited right now).

Limited perhaps but then I live in my own little world.

 

[allsaved]

You are likely to last about five minutes around here with your universalist silliness before you're sent packing. In that time, why don't you present the verses that contradict your view and deal honestly with them, instead of cherry-picking the ones that supposedly support it. I'm sure you know them.

You asked for verses that support universal salvation. I gave you what you asked for. The word of God is truth, there are no verses that contradict if you understand them. If you think differently, you should look for the truth not trying to use the bible to disprove itself so that you can be wortthy of your own self-righteousness. Go ahead and argue with yourselfi I haven't decided that I want to last around her.
If everyone has your attitude, I know that I do not.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Are there any who believe in what is called Universal Salvation? I hate to disappoint you, but there is ZERO support in the Bible for such a doctrine.

"Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. " Luke 13:23-24

isn’t universalism the belief that everyone no matter how evil , even Satan and his angels will be redeemed ?

 

[CS1]

ln97,
LW97,
Please stop looking for an argument and open your heart to search for truth. It might be that you don't already know everything. I was, for 60 years, a conservative fundamentamist Christian, like you.The Word of God proclaims His awesome love for every soul and His plan to accomplish His purpose. The promise and purpose of God is to bring all things to unity with Himself through and to the glory of His son, Jesus Christ. God is love, He is merciful, forgiving and kind. If your beliefs are in eternal hell, damnation, you are ignoring the truth about your God.





Christians often when asked profess our belief saying, “I believe in the Bible.” or “ “I believe in God.” or “ I believe in Jesus.” Such confessions are good and important, but they only require a yes or no response. Believing in the Bible is an acknowledgement of its existence as the Word of God. But, believing the Bible is much more important. The soul who believes in the Word of God may use it to prove what he or she already believes. The soul that believes the Bible is likely one who turns to it for increased knowledge and understanding beyond his or her present knowledge and understanding with a willingness to accept its truth. The soul that believes the Word of God seeks truth not proof. In order for a soul to accept the truth it is necessary for that soul to believe the God who gave it. Through His word our God has given us a description of himself that must be understood and in harmony with the truth about Him.


1 Timothy 4:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

Romans 5:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Micah 7:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.

1 Corinthians 3:12-15 New International Version (NIV)
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

God sent Jesus to save the world. Jesus finished the work God sent him to do.
1 John 4:14 New International Version (NIV)
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
John 17:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Romans 5:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

If one takes all these scriptures to suggest they mean that Jesus is not the only way to The Father that person(s) understanding is unbiblical.
Jesus said :
John 14:6

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Jesus also said in Matthew 7:13-14


13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Name-calling and suggesting it is a Fundamental conservative mindset is ridiculous.
The reason for Salvation only from Christ and not all are saved is "Fundamental" because it is foundational TRUTH told by Christ.

When Jesus is speaking HE is the final authority. And Jesus said NOT all will be saved. Your liberal theology is just that, loose with the truth. Therefore it cannot be fundamental. Now my Baptist should be giving me a big amen.

 

[Dino246]

You asked for verses that support universal salvation. I gave you what you asked for.

As I did no such thing, I suspect you have me confused with someone else.

The word of God is truth, there are no verses that contradict if you understand them.

The word of God is indeed truth. Universalism is not truth. Was there another issue you wanted to discuss?

I haven't decided that I want to last around her. If everyone has your attitude, I know that I do not.

That's your choice. My attitude has nothing to do with it; I'm merely informing you that promoting the heresy of universalism will get you booted from this site.