WILL THERE BE A RAPTURE?

[AgeofKnowledge]

Why doesn't the word Bible appear in the Bible? Using iog's logic, therefore the Bible doesn't exist. The Bible's existence is myth using iog's logic.

But it DOES EXIST and everyone knows that it exists revealing how far iog's best thinking is from reality. His misuse of logic is the reason for his fallacious assertions.

 

[iog]

You are correct that the word 'trinity' does not appear anywhere in the Scriptures...

Tertullian was the first church father in the West to use the word “Trinity” (Lat. 'trinitas') in reference to the three Persons of the Godhead against the Modalism of Praxeas: “Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit three …” (Against Praxeas 2)

However, although the word 'Trinity' does not appear in the Scriptures, the truth of it is EVERYWHERE from Genesis to Revelation!

Yahweh Shalom...

where?

where is the trinity here?
[h=3]John 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.


where is the trinity here?

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

i see a Godhead

 

[nathan3]

lets look at man

NO man is absolute

Genesis 2:7And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The Lord said NO MAN, he did not say the man Jesus, it reads NO MAN

John 3:13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


lets read what you quoted

[SUP]8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Lets read the next verse to see when we are present with the Lord

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

on judgement day is when we are present with the Lord.

the 1st resurrection or the 2nd resurrection which is called judgement day

it did not say Judgment day, it said the Judgment seat,,,,, of Christ, after death, following the subject.

 

[nathan3]

whats the sports room?

thanks

I'm at work so i have to be mindful of the bosses floating around

The sports room,. is the sports-tube room here in the chat rooms., where you can use voice to talk with people...

 

[iog]

Why doesn't the word Bible appear in the Bible? Using iog's logic, therefore the Bible doesn't exist. The Bible's existence is myth using iog's logic.

But it DOES EXIST and everyone knows that it exists revealing how far iog's best thinking is from reality. His misuse of logic is the reason for his fallacious assertions.

don't use my logic

prove you point? prove that there is a rapture.

I can easily say the book

Deuteronomy 28:58If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, The Lord Thy God;

yet I can prove it.

can you prove there is a rapture, using God's word?, which I have done.

 

[iog]

The sports room,. is the sports-tube room here in the chat rooms., where you can use voice to talk with people...

thanks Brother!!!

I can't do it now, but one day I hope to.

 

[iog]

it did not say Judgment day, it said the Judgment seat,,,,, of Christ, after death, following the subject.

it is on a day but what happened at that seat on that day at that time

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

by the way it is a day also because it is after the 1000 years

a day to the lord is what? a 1000 years

the Lord gave man how many days to work? 6 days or 6000 years

Jesus rules for a day or 1000 years

after the 1000 years of Jesus is judgement day or seat or white thone judgement and the Father comes down from heaven.
this is another day which in the bible is called the 8th day

but this is another topic for another time

 

[iog]

You are correct that the word 'trinity' does not appear anywhere in the Scriptures...

Tertullian was the first church father in the West to use the word “Trinity” (Lat. 'trinitas') in reference to the three Persons of the Godhead against the Modalism of Praxeas: “Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit three …” (Against Praxeas 2)

However, although the word 'Trinity' does not appear in the Scriptures, the truth of it is EVERYWHERE from Genesis to Revelation!

Yahweh Shalom...

tertullian did not wirte a word in the bible so his opinon really don't matter

what I read is this

Isaiah 8:20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.


its only about what Jesus said and what he told his Prophets and Apostles to write

 

[nathan3]

it is on a day but what happened at that seat on that day at that time

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

by the way it is a day also because it is after the 1000 years

a day to the lord is what? a 1000 years

the Lord gave man how many days to work? 6 days or 6000 years

Jesus rules for a day or 1000 years

after the 1000 years of Jesus is judgement day or seat or white thone judgement and the Father comes down from heaven.
this is another day which in the bible is called the 8th day

but this is another topic for another time

but the Lord's day is not the subject in the passage i mentioned...... To be absent from the body is present with the Lord. thats all, your working in alot of other things, that has nothing to do with it were a person gos after they die. That is why Christ brings them with Him at His return, because they are already there, just like Paul said, repeadedly in 1 thess 4 : 13-end

 

[jb]

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i see a Godhead

Correct, One God, made up of three divine Persons, also known as 'the Trinity' (which, for almost 2000 years has been the accepted and believed truth by born again Christians)

Now, I suggest you do a search in the 'Bible Discussion Forum' on the word 'Trinity' and find all the threads relating to this subject, rather than debate it here...

 

[iog]

Why doesn't the word Bible appear in the Bible? Using iog's logic, therefore the Bible doesn't exist. The Bible's existence is myth using iog's logic.

But it DOES EXIST and everyone knows that it exists revealing how far iog's best thinking is from reality. His misuse of logic is the reason for his fallacious assertions.

i provided more than enough evidence from Jesus words(the bible) to prove that the rapture is the fallacy.

let me just show YOU one more thing as I wait for you to prove the rapture
[h=3]Isaiah 28:9-11[/h][SUP]9 [/SUP]Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

[SUP]
10 [/SUP]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
[SUP]
11 [/SUP]For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.


[SUP]12 [/SUP]To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.


This is the Logic I use! it works

 

[iog]

Correct, One God, made up of three divine Persons, also known as 'the Trinity' (which, for almost 2000 years has been the accepted and believed truth by born again Christians)

Now, I suggest you do a search in the 'Bible Discussion Forum' on the word 'Trinity' and find all the threads relating to this subject, rather than debate it here...

where is this written?

why don't you just put your trinity verses for all to see?

i gave you a couple of Godhead verses which you did not address.

 

[jb]

tertullian did not wirte a word in the bible so his opinon really don't matter

what I read is this

Isaiah 8:20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.


its only about what Jesus said and what he told his Prophets and Apostles to write

Take your head out of the sand 'brother' and divide (ALL) the word of God properly, not just the bits that look good to you!

 

[iog]

but the Lord's day is not the subject in the passage i mentioned...... To be absent from the body is present with the Lord. thats all, your working in alot of other things, that has nothing to do with it were a person gos after they die. That is why Christ brings them with Him at His return, because they are already there, just like Paul said, repeadedly in 1 thess 4 : 13-end

when are we present with the Lord?

when he returns in 1 thess which is the ressurection.

it answers your question

Paul answered the question when he said when we appear at Jesus judgement seat
that seat is for Jesus to judge this is the 1st resurrection, not the white throne judgement.
the white throne judgement is when the saints who made the 1st resurrection judge.

 

[iog]

Take your head out of the sand 'brother' and divide (ALL) the word of God properly, not just the bits that look good to you!

i'm not the one quoting a person who is not in the bible

i took the verses that speak contrary to your opinion.

now just put God's words if you can and leave me out of the conversation
can you do that?

 

[iog]

Correct, One God, made up of three divine Persons, also known as 'the Trinity' (which, for almost 2000 years has been the accepted and believed truth by born again Christians)

Now, I suggest you do a search in the 'Bible Discussion Forum' on the word 'Trinity' and find all the threads relating to this subject, rather than debate it here...

the thread is not about the trinity its about the rapture.

i find no need to debate something that is not needed. the bible speaks of a Godhead

Jesus has an head who is the Father

we have two God's here

where is the other God?

 

[nathan3]

when are we present with the Lord?

when he returns in 1 thess which is the ressurection.

it answers your question

Paul answered the question when he said when we appear at Jesus judgement seat
that seat is for Jesus to judge this is the 1st resurrection, not the white throne judgement.
the white throne judgement is when the saints who made the 1st resurrection judge.

anyone can read it, the subject in 1 thess 4:13 is where are the dead. .

 

[iog]

where did God tell us to use logic in his word anyway?

God gives wisdon knowledge and understanding.

he did not tell you to uses logic!!!

 

[iog]

anyone can read it, the subject in 1 thess 4:13 is where are the dead. .

i put that already

Paul said
2 Timothy 4:1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Jesus said

1. John 6:39
   And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
   John 6:40
2. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
   
3. John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
   
4. John 6:54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
   
   John 11:24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
   now make it fit for 1 Thess 4

 

[iog]

2 Timothy 4:1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

we have the living and the dead in this one verse as we have the living and dead in 1 thess 4. they both are tallking about Jesus appearing which is the 1st resurrection