Believe what you want to but, I know that God is just and righteous. He never sends His wrath on the people that are trusting and believing in Him. Yes, He will allow things to happen. However the great tribulation is God pouring out His wrath on a sinful world. The rapture will take place before this tribulation. The only thing holding satan back is the Holy Spirit and the Church. Once the church is removed (rapture) then he will make his move. Know ye not that ye are the salt of the earth (preservative).
People, get confused with the rapture, the second coming of Jesus, and the resurrection.
Oh and there is a second rapture of the 144,000 Jews that believe.
Can't wait to see the hate post I get on this one.
How about a 'love' post, instead?
'great tribulation' and 'wrath of God' are two different 'events' - and they do not overlap
the 'great tribulation' IS NOT "God pouring out His wrath on a sinful world"
It would be more correct to say that the 'great tribulation' is the 'wrath of Satan'.
'the just' do not suffer the 'wrath of God' - they do, however, suffer the 'great tribulation'
the rapture takes place
after the tribulation
Earlmayknowornot:
From what you have said (in the quote above), I am guessing that you have been taught "the whole pre-trib doctrine"...
So was I - from birth.
In my 20s, however, I discovered it was not true. And, "the proof is there" - "I promise you it is" - but,
you will only be able to "see it" clearly if you "let go" of the "old, familiar teaching" and allow / make yourself "start afresh" with the scriptures - not allowing the "old foundation" (where the core problem is) to get in the way. Once you can see the truth about the error in the foundation of that teaching - it all crumbles - and the truth shines like you have never seen it before...
The 'rapture' is real and true (and plainly in the scriptures) --
but -- not having ALL of the "components" most people are taught, such as:
~ pre-tribulation event
~ occurs in secret
~ separate from the second coming
Please read the following
posts (not the whole thread necessarily, unless you just want to):
pre-trib coming #64
pre-trib coming #77
pre-trib coming #97
'What does it say?' before 'What does it mean?'
I would know that this is not Jesus.
If you are interested, feel free to check out the 3 study threads linked-to in my signature. You may find the charts particularly useful.
With all of the Christian Love that I can muster...:
~ Swallow your pride.
~ Consider the possibility that you could have been taught error
~ Take this opportunity to re-think your eschatology
~ Forget ("push aside temporarily") everything you have learned... (ALL pre-conceived notions)
~ Forget the pastor/preacher/teacher...
~ Just YOU, the Holy Bible, and the Holy Spirit.
~ Re-examine the scriptures... (with much prayer for the proper understanding)
So - in your own words...
"Believe what you want to but,..."
Earlmayknowornot said:
People, get confused with the rapture, the second coming of Jesus, and the resurrection.
All three of these are essentially the same (in 'event' terms).
The 'rapture' IS the 'first resurrection' - and occurs at the second coming of Christ. And, "every eye shall see"...
Earlmayknowornot said:
Oh and there is a second rapture of the 144,000 Jews that believe.
This is not true.
Earlmayknowornot said:
Can't wait to see the hate post I get on this one.
This is not a 'hate' post. It is, in fact, a 'love' post. Believe it. Go study.