That's funny.... when you say they cannot prove it it made me laughLOL Because ppl argue that there is no proof that god exists, there is not proof that we will have what we ask for in prayer. God only asks that we trust in him. Isn't that what faith is for? Faith is trusting and believing in something unseen, What if it turns out you are wrong?
WILL THERE BE A RAPTURE?
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1 Corinthians 15
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
the chapter is about the resurrection Jesus and then ours
[h=2]Definition of RESURRECTION[/h]1a capitalized: the rising of Christ from the dead
b often capitalized: the rising again to life of all the human dead before the final judgment
c: the state of one risen from the dead
Resurrection - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
the chapter is about the resurrection Jesus and then ours
[h=2]Definition of RESURRECTION[/h]1a capitalized: the rising of Christ from the dead
b often capitalized: the rising again to life of all the human dead before the final judgment
c: the state of one risen from the dead
Resurrection - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Blaine
do you think that there is a time when you stop believing and you should KNOW!
what is knowledge?
is knowledge know how or faith?
watch this
2 Peter 3:18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
there is a time to know and grow from from just believing
The only knowledge i need to know is god will guide me and all i have to do is trust in him and seek his heart. Do you know how many christians are out there who are full of knowledge and scripture, they claim to be true christians but they do not know god himself. They have convinced themselves they do but they don't they rely on their knowledge of scripture instead of their faith and relationship with god.
I don't hate anyone. I love all you guy's and gal's. Sometimes these argue post get to me and I'm human. I apologize and ask your forgiveness. But, it angers me when folks don't understand the end times because that is where we are. I mean in Holy anger ( anger and sin not) because I'm jealous for souls. I will admit in my zeal I get zealous. I love The Lord my God and pray for his return as commanded.
My main concern is for the lost and if you don't think they are watching our post your wrong. people are hungry and looking for a better way.
But, I will defend the rapture.
My main concern is for the lost and if you don't think they are watching our post your wrong. people are hungry and looking for a better way.
But, I will defend the rapture.
C
This same "the one shall be taken, and the other left" is repeated in Luke chap. 17. But they asked "Where Lord" will the taken ones be takes, Jesus responded; So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."
If being raptured means being taken to a place where eagles/buzzards pick away at our flesh, I pray I have no part in it.
Luke 17:34-37
[SUP]34[/SUP] [SUB]g[/SUB] "I tell you, in that night there will be two [SUB]10[/SUB] men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. [SUP]35[/SUP] [SUB]h[/SUB] "Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. [SUP]36[/SUP] [SUB]11[/SUB] "Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left." [SUP]37[/SUP] And they answered and said to Him, [SUB]i[/SUB] "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."
If being raptured means being taken to a place where eagles/buzzards pick away at our flesh, I pray I have no part in it.
Luke 17:34-37
[SUP]34[/SUP] [SUB]g[/SUB] "I tell you, in that night there will be two [SUB]10[/SUB] men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. [SUP]35[/SUP] [SUB]h[/SUB] "Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. [SUP]36[/SUP] [SUB]11[/SUB] "Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left." [SUP]37[/SUP] And they answered and said to Him, [SUB]i[/SUB] "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."
Well if you want to stay here and be beheaded for loving Jesus. That will happen. But, for me, I gonna be on the first bus outta here.
And then, In the second coming of The Lord Jesus Christ, I will be riding a white horse along with Abraham, Moses, and Joshua. And He(Jesus) will destroy they armies of the antichrist. Then will be the Resurrection of all peoples to give account. It's called the great white throne judgement.
C
10 "Because you have kept [SUB]8[/SUB] My command to persevere, [SUB]w[/SUB] I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon [SUB]x[/SUB] the whole world, to test those who dwell [SUB]y[/SUB] on the earth.
This happens at the end of the tribulation, when Jesus returns. He is saying that because we keep His commandments throughout all the tribulations that shall come, He will keep us from that hour of trial; wrath of God, which well come to test all who live on the earth. This could mean that, in the same way the Hebrew people were protected from the plagues that came upon Egypt, He will again protect His people.
Jesus said that on the LAST day, when the LAST trumpet sounds, He will send His angels out to gather us.
The last and last trumpet come at the end of the tribulation.
This happens at the end of the tribulation, when Jesus returns. He is saying that because we keep His commandments throughout all the tribulations that shall come, He will keep us from that hour of trial; wrath of God, which well come to test all who live on the earth. This could mean that, in the same way the Hebrew people were protected from the plagues that came upon Egypt, He will again protect His people.
Jesus said that on the LAST day, when the LAST trumpet sounds, He will send His angels out to gather us.
The last and last trumpet come at the end of the tribulation.
Hmmm..... okay so if we are to be raptured before the tribulation that would be fantastic, however how much greater would it be to endure for his name like paul did then be raptured
I knew long a go i would suffer greatly for his name, and i told god i know the cost is great to follow him. However i also know he will gives us the strength we need to do so. He will not send a warrior into battle with no armor or sword.
I knew long a go i would suffer greatly for his name, and i told god i know the cost is great to follow him. However i also know he will gives us the strength we need to do so. He will not send a warrior into battle with no armor or sword.
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Hmmm..... okay so if we are to be raptured before the tribulation that would be fantastic, however how much greater would it be to endure for his name like paul did then be raptured I knew long a go i would suffer greatly for his name, and i told god i know the cost is great to follow him. However i also know he will gives us the strength we need to do so. He will not send a warrior into battle with no armor or sword.
I knew long a go i would suffer greatly for his name, and i told god i know the cost is great to follow him. However i also know he will gives us the strength we need to do so. He will not send a warrior into battle with no armor or sword.
you says suffer, I rather look at it as be useful and not useless. it is a time to be used of God, to do His will. to have a purpose. and even a destiny. you put on the gospel armor for what .?
its rather deception you need to worry about, not death. rather protect your salvation and soul.
A
If your logic is fallacious than your point is not proven. All you've done is make false assertions based on fallacious logic. I'm pointing that out to you because you need to hear it.
Your example provides evidence of the existence of a single book but not the Bible. You've not proven that a Bible exists.
Your example provides evidence of the existence of a single book but not the Bible. You've not proven that a Bible exists.
G
How about a 'love' post, instead?
'great tribulation' and 'wrath of God' are two different 'events' - and they do not overlap
the 'great tribulation' IS NOT "God pouring out His wrath on a sinful world"
It would be more correct to say that the 'great tribulation' is the 'wrath of Satan'.
'the just' do not suffer the 'wrath of God' - they do, however, suffer the 'great tribulation'
the rapture takes place after the tribulation
Earlmayknowornot:
From what you have said (in the quote above), I am guessing that you have been taught "the whole pre-trib doctrine"...
So was I - from birth.
In my 20s, however, I discovered it was not true. And, "the proof is there" - "I promise you it is" - but, you will only be able to "see it" clearly if you "let go" of the "old, familiar teaching" and allow / make yourself "start afresh" with the scriptures - not allowing the "old foundation" (where the core problem is) to get in the way. Once you can see the truth about the error in the foundation of that teaching - it all crumbles - and the truth shines like you have never seen it before...
The 'rapture' is real and true (and plainly in the scriptures) -- but -- not having ALL of the "components" most people are taught, such as:
~ pre-tribulation event
~ occurs in secret
~ separate from the second coming
Please read the following posts (not the whole thread necessarily, unless you just want to):
pre-trib coming #64
pre-trib coming #77
pre-trib coming #97
'What does it say?' before 'What does it mean?'
I would know that this is not Jesus.
If you are interested, feel free to check out the 3 study threads linked-to in my signature. You may find the charts particularly useful.
With all of the Christian Love that I can muster...:
~ Swallow your pride.
~ Consider the possibility that you could have been taught error
~ Take this opportunity to re-think your eschatology
So - in your own words...
"Believe what you want to but,..."
All three of these are essentially the same (in 'event' terms).
The 'rapture' IS the 'first resurrection' - and occurs at the second coming of Christ. And, "every eye shall see"...
This is not true.
This is not a 'hate' post. It is, in fact, a 'love' post. Believe it. Go study.
'great tribulation' and 'wrath of God' are two different 'events' - and they do not overlap
the 'great tribulation' IS NOT "God pouring out His wrath on a sinful world"
It would be more correct to say that the 'great tribulation' is the 'wrath of Satan'.
'the just' do not suffer the 'wrath of God' - they do, however, suffer the 'great tribulation'
the rapture takes place after the tribulation
Earlmayknowornot:
From what you have said (in the quote above), I am guessing that you have been taught "the whole pre-trib doctrine"...
So was I - from birth.
In my 20s, however, I discovered it was not true. And, "the proof is there" - "I promise you it is" - but, you will only be able to "see it" clearly if you "let go" of the "old, familiar teaching" and allow / make yourself "start afresh" with the scriptures - not allowing the "old foundation" (where the core problem is) to get in the way. Once you can see the truth about the error in the foundation of that teaching - it all crumbles - and the truth shines like you have never seen it before...
The 'rapture' is real and true (and plainly in the scriptures) -- but -- not having ALL of the "components" most people are taught, such as:
~ pre-tribulation event
~ occurs in secret
~ separate from the second coming
Please read the following posts (not the whole thread necessarily, unless you just want to):
pre-trib coming #64
pre-trib coming #77
pre-trib coming #97
'What does it say?' before 'What does it mean?'
I would know that this is not Jesus.
If you are interested, feel free to check out the 3 study threads linked-to in my signature. You may find the charts particularly useful.
With all of the Christian Love that I can muster...:
~ Swallow your pride.
~ Consider the possibility that you could have been taught error
~ Take this opportunity to re-think your eschatology
So - in your own words...
"Believe what you want to but,..."
All three of these are essentially the same (in 'event' terms).
The 'rapture' IS the 'first resurrection' - and occurs at the second coming of Christ. And, "every eye shall see"...
This is not true.
This is not a 'hate' post. It is, in fact, a 'love' post. Believe it. Go study.
P
God put a specific piece of His wisdom
In each of us.. To fit together like a perfact puzzle .. Of course the view of the person on our left is going to be different from the person on our right ..why? So that no may boast.. Put specifically in each of us based upon our personal relationship with Him.. no two relationships are ever going to be alike .. However Many areas where we have strayed off too and coming back to Him will be surprisingly the same .. Tjese are the areas where god has also placed wisdom.. Learned by lessons .. But to know what God is mending and restoring in each of us coming from those areas is beyond any of us.. All a part of Hos greater plan and none of is really know what that is .. His greatest commanent is to
Love, not bible thump one another over the head because God has given them a piece of wisdom different from
Our own ...if we are loving the lord with all our soul all
Our mind , how do we have time to argue over all this ? it baffles me ... but not for me to understand .. I'll Just keep taking it to the cross and handing it to Him..,
Galatians 1:11-12
Paul Called by God
11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.[a] 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.
Mark 9:50 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other."
In each of us.. To fit together like a perfact puzzle .. Of course the view of the person on our left is going to be different from the person on our right ..why? So that no may boast.. Put specifically in each of us based upon our personal relationship with Him.. no two relationships are ever going to be alike .. However Many areas where we have strayed off too and coming back to Him will be surprisingly the same .. Tjese are the areas where god has also placed wisdom.. Learned by lessons .. But to know what God is mending and restoring in each of us coming from those areas is beyond any of us.. All a part of Hos greater plan and none of is really know what that is .. His greatest commanent is to
Love, not bible thump one another over the head because God has given them a piece of wisdom different from
Our own ...if we are loving the lord with all our soul all
Our mind , how do we have time to argue over all this ? it baffles me ... but not for me to understand .. I'll Just keep taking it to the cross and handing it to Him..,
Galatians 1:11-12
Paul Called by God
11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.[a] 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.
Mark 9:50 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other."
P
Not about learning as I will forever be in the barn with God learning .. learning much all the time .. No Tintin it's an issue of love, loving our brother as it is stated being the greatest of all commandments ..
It's not a bible problem it's a heart problem towards people
Even so, I'll still hold the light for ya G!
It's not a bible problem it's a heart problem towards people
Even so, I'll still hold the light for ya G!
C
I can think of no greater honor; "stay here and be beheaded for loving Jesus"
"But, for me, I gonna be on the first bus outta here." There's only one bus, and that is the second coming.For there to be a pretrib rapture, there would have to be a third coming, for those who are left behind. A third coming is not scriptural.
"But, for me, I gonna be on the first bus outta here." There's only one bus, and that is the second coming.For there to be a pretrib rapture, there would have to be a third coming, for those who are left behind. A third coming is not scriptural.