What I do is read the word, find love as Jesus sees it, and try to live like He did. I don't simply chalk it up to 'God made me do it'. God gave me the word, I took the step to actually do it. That's the point. I am meant to become good-hearted in that I CHOOSE to do the good things set out in the book. God doesn't bring me to heaven and say 'I made you do that'. God doesn't give me everything I ask for. He gives me the means to go and get it myself.
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Morality from you? Subjective.
J
If scripture said so, yes. In scripture, he has commanded people to be killed. It would be wrong of us to disobey. If it is a baby, okay. I question whether I would have the guts to do it, admittedly. I feel bad about running over frogs in the road.
I never said you couldn't see that something is wrong. Rather, that you are not an authoritative source when one wants to know, "What is wrong?" If you appeal to yourself, it is subjective.
I never said you couldn't see that something is wrong. Rather, that you are not an authoritative source when one wants to know, "What is wrong?" If you appeal to yourself, it is subjective.
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Please don't. I shudder to think I would ever accept a god as moral who commands the murder of innocent children.
On the basis that concepts of morality only make sense when they directly relate to the suffering and well-being of conscious beings. Since our consciousness is rooted in our brain, and our brain functions within the confines of natural laws, then experiences of suffering and well being can be reduced down to facts. Case in point, we don't need to rely on divine morality today to recognize that someone who thinks that suffering is good isn't worth taking seriously - we simply recognize that that line of thinking is psychopathic. In much the same way, we can recognize that someone asserting that because their scriptures tell them to murder people it is their moral imperative to do so are obviously unhinged, not to mention downright dangerous.
On what basis do you assert that God is moral?
On the basis that concepts of morality only make sense when they directly relate to the suffering and well-being of conscious beings. Since our consciousness is rooted in our brain, and our brain functions within the confines of natural laws, then experiences of suffering and well being can be reduced down to facts. Case in point, we don't need to rely on divine morality today to recognize that someone who thinks that suffering is good isn't worth taking seriously - we simply recognize that that line of thinking is psychopathic. In much the same way, we can recognize that someone asserting that because their scriptures tell them to murder people it is their moral imperative to do so are obviously unhinged, not to mention downright dangerous.
On what basis do you assert that God is moral?
There's no if or but.
At the same time, how many genocides did God commit where the people weren't more oppressive, hateful and despicable than the act of Him destroying them?
I persnally wouldn't kill someone. But if God destroys Sodom and Gamorrah, that's up to Him. that's always the question you need to ask. Not, 'do you think', but 'would you do'.
I can guarantee none of the people in this thread would kill another human being. And it's the same question God asks when we meet Him. 'Would you, did you, have you'. would you kill, did you intend to kill, have you killed.
At the same time, how many genocides did God commit where the people weren't more oppressive, hateful and despicable than the act of Him destroying them?
I persnally wouldn't kill someone. But if God destroys Sodom and Gamorrah, that's up to Him. that's always the question you need to ask. Not, 'do you think', but 'would you do'.
I can guarantee none of the people in this thread would kill another human being. And it's the same question God asks when we meet Him. 'Would you, did you, have you'. would you kill, did you intend to kill, have you killed.
But yea. The point of the bible (at least, in jesus teachings), isn't to go stoning and killing babies. Definitely not. It's about loving your neighbour as yourself. We are not God. We are not Paul. We are not the Church of Timothy. But we ARE commanded to follow the words of God, of Paul.
God has never said in the bible that ' I permit you to stone, kill or commit the murder of young children'. Quite the contrary. 'If you hurt your neighbour, God will punish you justly'. GOD will punsih you justly. God will judge.
One looks at themselves first. That's my belief. Would I kill? No. Am I perfect? No. So how do I redeem my imperfections? By giving.
The point of the bible is that, sin can beget sin. Sin can create sin. Sin can spread. Hatred can infect. Anger can destroy. Jealousy can fester. Rebellion can usurp. Fear can stunt progress. Hastiness can bring half the crop, so to speak. Rudeness can offend. But love conquers all of these things.
God has never said in the bible that ' I permit you to stone, kill or commit the murder of young children'. Quite the contrary. 'If you hurt your neighbour, God will punish you justly'. GOD will punsih you justly. God will judge.
One looks at themselves first. That's my belief. Would I kill? No. Am I perfect? No. So how do I redeem my imperfections? By giving.
The point of the bible is that, sin can beget sin. Sin can create sin. Sin can spread. Hatred can infect. Anger can destroy. Jealousy can fester. Rebellion can usurp. Fear can stunt progress. Hastiness can bring half the crop, so to speak. Rudeness can offend. But love conquers all of these things.
J
1 Samuel 15:1-3
Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.
2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.
2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.