Women as Preachers: Does God's word authorize this???

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MEN & WOMEN: Agree or disagree with women preaching & leading in churches.


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GreenNnice

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The post didn't generalize, it simply touched upon the very distinct psychological differences between men and women. For example in multiple studies men have been found to be consistently more conservative than women (and as a result more likely to be content with what they have). So it is not far-fetched to believe that had Satan tempted Adam instead of Eve that Adam would have rejected Satan rather than risk upsetting what he already had.



I've heard openly gay preachers that preached powerfully as well, but that does not make them licit. God can work through whatever person happens to be available, even if that person is not right for the job and shouldn't be in such a position in the first place.

The question of women being ordained belongs firmly in the realm of theology and ecclesiology; so personal "burning in the bosom" feelings as Mormons call it are to be left at the door.


Anyway, yes, your insight is interesting but to put woman in a lower esteem place than man is not right. Yes, man is over woman but man is to FEAR GOD scripture says in being over woman, so, that said, you can be sure a Christ-led man will treat that woman like Joseph did Mary, with fear, reverence, awe, understanding, and, Love her like God would want her Loved. :)

Don't get me wrong either, there is definite principle in man over woman, scripture is clear of the order of authority, God->man->woman. But to say that women cannot preach because they can be deceived by Satan more, because of Satan deceiving Eve in garden is blindly preaching, and, as feed3m says in his signature, be careful of teaching others things, because WE will be judged more discriminately by God :(
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yes, jimdig generalizes when he picks out one lady pastor like Joyce Meyers, and, picks on her, sansub. Don't be naive. And, you continue the naivety by thinking that because of studies done on men and women and men more conservative that ALL men would choose status quo when presented with option to make our,life better IF we do a certain something, like poor ole, transgressing Eve, having been deceived by Satan that 'the grass would be greener on the other side.'


Sansub, have you heard of John Eldredge, he wrote a book, Wild At Heart, it is about men being highly desirous of things, I believe they are 1. woman to pursue 2. work/ambitions to go after. 3. Something of, ok, I can't remember.

I get tired of disrespect too, and, I could care less what you call me, but if you lift a post of mine for discussion and say something about it, you're just a kid, sansub, but, please, address me by a name, 'green,a. Etc., thx.


And, as I was saying, men are wild at heart and the word 'conservative' is not to describe beastly us, lol, so, as you said those studies said we would choose not to advance when we could advance our position is bringing you right, full circle to naivety. We men want to go.after someone, and, when we can GAIN by doing something, it is NOT in our male nature to decide against opportunity to improve our lot in life.

God bless, Christ bro, hopefully, prayerfully, this is understood, and, I agree, as a majority rule, per scripture of Paul's teachings, women are to typically not preach to men, but we serve a marvelous God, who occassionally has wonderfully equipped women who answered the call when God put them into a stature position of preaching and Joyce Meyers, Paula White, Elizabeth Elliott are three already been named who followed the Spirit after having been well into the Word.
Abraham was asked to kill His son, Isaac, but nowhere in scripture will it show God saying this kind of sacrifice is needed done; women are not meant typically to become pastors but atypically they surely ARE MEANT TO BECOME PASTORS, even over men, as God KNOWS His purposes far beyond man's mortal mind. This was an express exception to the rule, God needed Abraham to show great faith to prove worthy to God all that God after would bestow , including Abe becoming the father of many nations and whose lineage from come the 12 tribes of Israel that spread out to the world discovering places throughout history. :)
 
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Mia2

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Hi all.

God can use woman. I went to the Seventh Day Adventist Church Today and I loved it, I always do. God used Ellen White to begin that church and save many people!

However, if you have ever encountered a woman who has a Jezebelian type Spirit on them... Be warned! This is when I believe a woman should be quiet in church or anywhere, and take their place and that which is under man. They should be Quiet!

Also, for anyone who has encountered a Jezebelian type Spirit, been a victim of, and suffered due to it, and the damage it causes..

Here is a good link: (For healing):

http://www.jezebelfirstaidkit.com/#You Know You Have Been Jezebelled


And a good prayer is the following which I got from the site and it helped me, through praying it Quietly:


Keep A Repentant, Humble, Grateful Heart


Father, I come to you in the name of Jesus, who has paid the full price for my sins already.

I confess and renounce the unforgiveness. I allowed in my heart that allowed a Jezebel/Ahab spirit to function in the first place. I confess and renounce every manipulation, every deceit, every cunning, all flattery, flirtation, or seduction of others, because of any ambition, need to gain control, power or recognition.

I confess and renounce the weakness of allowing myself to be controlled by any other spirit but the Holy Spirit. I confess and renounce my need to keep peace at any price—even truth. I confess and renounce the fear of men, over an appropriate fear of God. I confess and renounce my need to please men over You. I confess and renounce murmuring, complaining, criticism, and justifying my own disobedience.

I reject and renounce praying my own will instead of Yours. I acknowledge these things are selling-out to witchcraft, and I reject and renounce all forms of witchcraft, overt and subtle.

I break every curse, and ask you to completely nullify their effects. I repent for hating my circumstances, and distrusting You in them. I repent for every curse toward You for allowing them. I confess and renounce the doors of double-mindedness, fear, and selfishness in my life this stronghold has walked through in the past. I close those doors now. I confess and renounce jealousy, weather it was conscious or instinctive.

I confess and renounce the rebellion in my heart, disrespecting others and excusing my disrespect towards others, especially those in authority. I confess and renounce unrealistic expectations of others and perfectionism, which gives Jezebel a place.I call it sin to see myself as intellectually or spiritually superior to others; I reject and renounce the attitude that despises and talks down to others. I ask You to forgive me for my anger, fear, selfishness and pride that opened me up to Jezebel.

I reject all forms of unbelief. I confess and renounce all fear of authority, and any distrust of You.I confess and renounce the malice in my heart toward you. Forgive me for believing You had failed to manage my circumstances, Forgive me for believing You failed to protect me,

Forgive me for believing you failed to provide for me. I recognize these as lies, and refuse to believe them any longer.

I recognize your Constant Goodness to me, and receive it openly and gratefully. I reject and renounce any fear of losing my own identity by accepting my new “identity in Christ”.

I reject and renounce the fear of losing my blessings and giftings, And recognize this as another lie accusing you of being an unkind Father. I REPENT for operating in the way of Jezebel, and ask You to forgive me. I reject and renounce the mindset of denial that once held me captive, and I thank you for revealing truth to me, so I could be set free. I receive Your love and, by faith, I receive Freedom from the influence of Jezebel or Ahab. This is the year to plunder, therefore, I demand that the enemy restore 7 times more than what has been plundered from me.

I bow my heart before You and say, You are God, and there is no other. I ask for the wisdom to know how to walk in humility and purity, because You said if we will simply ask for wisdom, You will give it to us. I am asking, and I receive it with gratitude. It is my desire to know You, the Father, and to make you known.

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Father, in Jesus, I ask you to forgive me for tolerating the spirit of Jezebel, and for responding in the wrong way and invite you to remove the jezebelic from me.

I RENOUNCE the soulish grip Jezebel has had over me in the past,

I BREAK it’s power over me now.

I ask You to show me how to walk free of all the soulish ties of control, and give me a holy boldness to confront this evil in the right way.

I choose to forgive the offender who wounded me through the power of Jezebel. I release them from any debt, and BLESS (name the person), in Jesus name.

I forgive myself for being controlled by Jezebel or Ahab, and I release myself to Your love and grace.

I ask You Father, to give me the strength needed to walk in the Spirit and power of Elijah in these days. You said the joy of the Lord is my strength; I lack the joy I need for the kind of strength I need, so I come to ask you, as the Lord of joy, to impart Your joy to me. I receive it by faith.

With this new strength and freedom I will strengthen and free others, and touch the generations. My heart will turn toward the children, and my children’s heart will turn toward their fathers. Above all, I want a restored relationship with my Heavenly Father. Amen.
 
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Hi all.

God can use woman. I went to the Seventh Day Adventist Church Today and I loved it, I always do. God used Ellen White to begin that church and save many people!
Ellen G. White is a false prophet who teaches works based salvation.

Additionally, she is from the same theological school as Harold Camping. White was part of the Millerite Doomsday movement. When those false prophecies failed she was a part of the faction that stated Jesus did indeed return to earth in 1844, but did so invisibly. This is precisely what Camping said last year his false prophecy failed. White says Jesus is doing "investigative judgment" at present. That is exactly what Camping says. White said Satan has taken over all churches. Exactly what Camping says.

"At the time appointed for the judgment - the close of the 2300 days, in 1844; began the work of investigation and blotting out of sins...both the living and the dead are to be judged "out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works". (Rev. 20:12)." "The Faith I Live By" p. 211,

Everyone got a good laugh and mocked Camping for his foolishness but the sad truth is hundreds of thousands of people are following Camping's teachings under the title of Seventh Day Adventist.

"Every man's work passes in review before God...Opposite each name in the books of heaven is entered, with terrible exactness, every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. Heaven-sent warnings or reproofs neglected, wasted moments, unimproved opportunities, the influence exerted for good or for evil, with its far-reaching results, all are chronicled by the recording angel." The Faith I Live By, page 210

This is part of Seventh Say doctrine that says that when you are born again, you are only saved for sins up to that specific day you believe. From there it is on you to maintain your place in the book of Life. This is Pure heresy.

And here is here tombstone:



Satanic obelisk.

Beloved, I urge you to study White and test her against the Scriptures. Let God's Word be the judge of all of this. God bless.

 
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TBN is bad for your brain. More importantly, bad for your soul too.

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you forgot bad for your stomach....now i need a breathmint
 

Nautilus

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Ill say you ma be right on most of it, but since when are obelisks satanic?
 
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Mia2

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Thanks A-Omega. I will look into it
 
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A-Omega

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Ill say you ma be right on most of it, but since when are obelisks satanic?
OBELISK
ob'-e-lisk, ob'-el-isk:
A sacred stone or matstsebhah. For matstsebhah the Revised Version (British and American) has used "pillar" in the text, with "obelisk" in the margin in many instances (Exodus 23:24; Leviticus 26:1; Deuteronomy 12:3; 1 Kings 14:23; Hosea 3:4; 10:1,2, etc.), but not consistently (e.g. Genesis 28:18).


12 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the Lord God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.
2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
3 And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. Deuteronomy 12.



The Obelisk -- Symbolizing the phallus of Baal and used for Baal worship in the Bible.



TITLE: SYMBOLS PROVE INVISIBLE FRATERNITY OF FREEMASONRY IS SATANIC!
 

Nautilus

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Oh man cuttingedge.org...they look legit. Or possibly like a bunch of loons obsessed with illuminati conspiracies...lol one of those is a bit more accurate than the other. Hint: Its the latter.
 
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Closemyeyes2cU

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Hi all.

God can use woman. I went to the Seventh Day Adventist Church Today and I loved it, I always do. God used Ellen White to begin that church and save many people!
I stopped reading right there.
 

oldhermit

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It is important that we understand that scripture is not time contengent. Truth is always equidistant to both time and culture. What I mean by this is that it does not matter that the N.T. letters were addressed to specific geographical or cultural groups. The principles that are given are uiversal and apply to christians in every culture and in every time. Regarding this particulat subject, Paul tells the Corinthian church in 1Cor. 14:33-38, that this restriction is to be observed in ALL the chrurches and that anyone who does not recognize that this is "the Lord's commandment," is not to be recognized. To attempt to justify one's disregard for this restriction on the basis of one's desire or even one's ability to teach or preach as a women will simply not overturn what has been commanded. We cannot offer scenarios to argue against the text in order to defend what WE want to do. Somehow we fell that scripture will not stand against the logical argument. The use of scenarios is an attempt to hold the Word of God accountable to the 'logical' agrument. What it boils down to is "what I want" vs what the Word of God says.
 

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It is important that we understand that scripture is not time contengent. Truth is always equidistant to both time and culture. What I mean by this is that it does not matter that the N.T. letters were addressed to specific geographical or cultural groups. The principles that are given are uiversal and apply to christians in every culture and in every time. Regarding this particulat subject, Paul tells the Corinthian church in 1Cor. 14:33-38, that this restriction is to be observed in ALL the chrurches and that anyone who does not recognize that this is "the Lord's commandment," is not to be recognized. To attempt to justify one's disregard for this restriction on the basis of one's desire or even one's ability to teach or preach as a women will simply not overturn what has been commanded. We cannot offer scenarios to argue against the text in order to defend what WE want to do. Somehow we fell that scripture will not stand against the logical argument. The use of scenarios is an attempt to hold the Word of God accountable to the 'logical' agrument. What it boils down to is "what I want" vs what the Word of God says.
Well said and welcome to CC. You really made a case here against antinomian relativism. Because Paul rested on the law of God, or Torah, when he insisted on the commandment in question.

There is a line drawn between the sexes as for offices and that is ordination. No women were ordained to ANY office in scripture.
 

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Contrary to the popular argument, this has nothing to do with sexism or anti-femenism. This has to do with the triadic structure of creation. Everything in creation is assigned to a particular function, both in nature and in the church. Men's and woman's roles are a matter of divinely appointed function that follows the pattern of triadic desingn. Disregarding divinely appointed functionality has far-reaching consequences.
 

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Contrary to the popular argument, this has nothing to do with sexism or anti-femenism. This has to do with the triadic structure of creation. Everything in creation is assigned to a particular function, both in nature and in the church. Men's and woman's roles are a matter of divinely appointed function that follows the pattern of triadic desingn. Disregarding divinely appointed functionality has far-reaching consequences.
Exactly. It has all to do with the order of creation and due RESPECT (a very important part of worship) of its subsequent authority and headship.

1Cor.11

[1] Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
[2] Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
[3] But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
 

oldhermit

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Tribesman - Are you familliar with the concept ot triadic reality?
 

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I will try to explain this as succinctly as possible without bogging you down with a lot of baggage. Triadic reality is a concept that views all things within the framework of a triadic structure. Imagine if wou will a triangle with its apex at the top. The left side of the tringle represents the eternal realm. This is of course the realm of the unseen - the realm where God resides. The right side of the triangle represents the visable world of objects. This is the natural world of man. The apex of the triangle is the linkage between the two. This forms a picture of one reality made up of two parts - the seen and the unseen. In order for man to understand his place in the universe he must stand in the apex position of the triad (which incedently, is the only position he is authorized to occupy) and learn to link his world to the unseen world.
Triadic reasoning is reason that involves three supporting components that have a particular kind of relationship to one another. Triadic reality is made up of the eternal, this is the part of reality we cannot see; the temporal, which is the world of objects that lends itself to human empirical observation; and the linkage between the two. The linkage creates continuity between the observable and the non-observable. Everything scripture reveals about both the natural and the non-natural world is based on this triadic structure. [/FONT]
Our world is subject to a set of unseen triadic relations. Triadic faith recognizes this relationship. Triadic faith does not regard this universe as a closed system but acknowledges that everything on the material side of reality is subordinate to the will and the power of God. I apologize for the differance in the font size. this is a cut and paste quote from a book I have written on "Triadic Reality and the Nature of God." The quote is mine so I am not violating any copyrite restrictions in its use and iI was unable to change the font size.
How we read scripture is very much linked to how re understand our place within this triadic structure. With regards to the current topic of the womans roal in the church, it is impossible for one to properly understand one's divinely appointed function in the church without understanding their position within this triadic structure. This is why passages like 1 Tim. 2:9-15 and 1 Cor. 14:33-38 are so widely challenged among those advocating the expansion of women's roles in the church.
 
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Tru2JHWH

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Thanks a lot! I hope and pray whether anyone reading this thread will at the very least search the scriptures for themselves. I have at the very least planted a seed in a lot of people's mind. I'm very happy to have been able to accomplish that much!
 
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As we all know there are many women standing in pulpits today preaching the word of God to men and women.

In 1 Timothy 2:11-12,15 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be silence. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness and sobriety.
In 1 Corinthians 14:34 -35 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is shame for women to speak in the church.

I understand that when these New Testament books was written they was written to a group of people in a specific area. But as scripture points out God has given men the primary teaching authority in the church. I do understand beforehand a lot of people may disagree that's fine and a lot of you will want to prove your point just make sure that you stick to New Testament law. Also if you may so kindly point out to me any women in the New Testament that was a Pastor, deacon, elder, or bishop. (Book, chapter, verse plz)

With that being said Do you know, without a shadow of doubt, that it is wrong for women to become pastors of churches? Like I have said before, I'm a book, chapter, and verse kind of girl so your opinions won't be any good to me or other people reading this post if you can't dig in the scriptures yourself and seek what God is saying in his word. Thanks in advance for all your comments! God Bless!
The Lord taught us to be just. What does your sense of justice tell you about whether or not women should be allowed to preach? My own sense is that it is unjust to deny women rights afforded to men, and vice versa. In my denomination there are many women preachers.

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law, justice and mercy and faith; these you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. Matt 23:23 RSV
 
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JOEL2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams,and young men shall see visions.29 Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit.
If God decides to choose a female servant to fulfill His will No one can really stop God.
God bless
 
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It is important that we understand that scripture is not time contengent. Truth is always equidistant to both time and culture. What I mean by this is that it does not matter that the N.T. letters were addressed to specific geographical or cultural groups. The principles that are given are uiversal and apply to christians in every culture and in every time. Regarding this particulat subject, Paul tells the Corinthian church in 1Cor. 14:33-38, that this restriction is to be observed in ALL the chrurches and that anyone who does not recognize that this is "the Lord's commandment," is not to be recognized. To attempt to justify one's disregard for this restriction on the basis of one's desire or even one's ability to teach or preach as a women will simply not overturn what has been commanded. We cannot offer scenarios to argue against the text in order to defend what WE want to do. Somehow we fell that scripture will not stand against the logical argument. The use of scenarios is an attempt to hold the Word of God accountable to the 'logical' agrument. What it boils down to is "what I want" vs what the Word of God says.
Wow! Excellent point! A lot of people are trying to justify why it's not wrong for women to preach or coming up with reasons why what Paul was inspired to write is of his own opinion but God's words still stand and is important then as it is with us today....Let this statement be pointed out yet again...1 Cor 14:37-38 IF ANYONE THINKS THEY ARE A PROPHET OR OTHERWISE GIFTED BY THE SPIRIT, LET THEM ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHAT I AM WRITING TO YOU IS THE LORD'S COMMAND. BUT IF ANYONE IGNORES THIS, THEY WILL THEMSELVES BE IGNORED.

AMEN AND AMEN #CHEERS!