Women as Preachers: Does God's word authorize this???

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MEN & WOMEN: Agree or disagree with women preaching & leading in churches.


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Egoangel

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Just like jimdig generalized women preachers with his 'wretched radio' post calling Joyce Meyers heretic, like jimdig says all are who don't understand that Jesus and God are different peoople, EgoA, I see you going a step further than his mighty judgmentalism....

.....to generalizing WOMEN . Don't do it !! Is God speaking to you now? Does the Spirit lead you life, is your spirit led by His Spirit? IF He is leading you to speak this way and I am missing something, forgive me, as this topic is touchy to me because I KNOW, in my mind, dear Lord, amen, that a woman can and has taught me things, like Elizabeth Elliott, even women preachers who guested at my church, like Huldah Buntain, who is a missionary in India. ,Otherwise, unless you distinctly hear the Lord telling you to notch WOMEN lower don't do it.

I highly question that this is not your own ego, angel, and, there are angels of darkness, not just light, that follow the prince of darkness. So....don't you DARE let the Enemy get you all ego'd up :(

Why say that Satan picked the woman, Eve, because of her weakness, her easily being deceived choice ??

This is dispiriting and debasing to women, can't you see that, or, are your eyes blinding you into seeing something that isn't there? And, in this case, egoA, what you see is not 'faith.' It's not Hebrews 11:1 speaking to you :( It is Satan !)

Man and woman BOTH have God's authority to preach, thye PROOF is in the current times, WOMEN PREACH ! And, I've heard them, as I said, they preach powerFULLY, full of mercy and grace. And, women are FULL of peace, too, a quality we men seem to war with constantly :(

Just because Paul says they should keep 'silent' and not 'teach,' and, that Paul does not want to 'suffer' through a woman teaching him does not mean ALL men (yes, inspired prophets of God writing things of His Word) think the same way. They don't think the same way ! Paul was quite, shall I say, no, I know not how to say it so it's the same thought, or, that I know of my thoughts congruent with, OK, I will say it, Paul spoke in wavering words, Paul spoke in words that were NOT law. Really ? It's LAW that a man cannot keep His hair long. Is God going to keep YOU out of Heaven for LONG HAIR ? Will that long-haired man's eyes NEVER see paradise?

Of course not! God is in a personal relationship with EACH one of His sheep, the only way the long-haired man won't see Heaven is IF He decides not to believe in God's will for His life and then serves Satan as master. THAT is the ONLY way that long-haired man departs from the faith; he sees the pleasure of the other side of life with worldly, quick-gain pleasures and jumps to it !!! YES, scripture is clear, Paul speaking, that we CAN depart the faith, 'many will,' is how Paul says it, or, just 'some will,' but I think the word is 'many .'

Anyway, yes, your insight is interesting but to put woman in a lower esteem place than man is not right. Yes, man is over woman but man is to FEAR GOD scripture says in being over woman, so, that said, you can be sure a Christ-led man will treat that woman like Joseph did Mary, with fear, reverence, awe, understanding, and, Love her like God would want her Loved. :)

Don't get me wrong either, there is definite principle in man over woman, scripture is clear of the order of authority, God->man->woman. But to say that women cannot preach because they can be deceived by Satan more, because of Satan deceiving Eve in garden is blindly preaching, and, as feed3m says in his signature, be careful of teaching others things, because WE will be judged more discriminately by God :(
My friend in Christ my apologies if I have offended you by my post. It is after all an opinion laced within a semantic marinate, which I am fully entitled to voice as are you. I have no doubt that you have the spirit, the very fact that you have bothered to participate in this forum which such passion convinces me of that, along with your desire to be led by God and help keep others from falling. The love you feel for Christ is obvious and encouraging for all believers. However I feel I must inform you that I am saddened to think that you seem to regard me as a somewhat misogynistic individual who takes pleasure in debasing women. I can assure you that I have the deepest respect for women as I continue to learn from them on a daily basis. Women are used in an extremely powerful way to bring others to Christ I personally have been helped countless times by the instructive, logical and intuitive guidance of women. Maybe I could be considered as some kind of dinosaur as regards contemporary Christianity to base my decisions and desires upon the word of god .This may well qualify me as infant in the eyes of some Christians who are indeed led in an incredibly powerful way by the Holy Spirit. Still I can assure you that I am also led by the spirit and my faith is as genuine as yours. I will continue to use the word of God as a point of spiritual origin. A datum if you like, that will always point toward truth and in turn realign me with Gods fundamentals when I stray .Anything else for me I feel is a little too maverick and altogether scary .The word of God is exactly that and I personally will never play fast and loose with it and if that causes others to view me as some kind of religious bigot then so be it .May God continue to use you in your passionate sincere and loving way.
 
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John 20:11-18 (KJV)
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.


funny how it was a woman that was commision to take the good news of his ressurrection to the chicke disciples hidding in the upper room
ok have you study what the word Usurp meens. and ifs thats the case you men need to step up and clear out all the female teaches out of every single church school, and do your jobs.
 
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A-Omega

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John 20:11-18 (KJV)
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.


funny how it was a woman that was commision to take the good news of his ressurrection to the chicke disciples hidding in the upper room
ok have you study what the word Usurp meens. and ifs thats the case you men need to step up and clear out all the female teaches out of every single church school, and do your jobs.
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

So much pride in our 'group' that we belong to and their role in the Bible. Why stop with women? Why not talk about the fact that it was the Middle Eastern and Arab races who did all of the heavy lifting in the Bible while the other races failed to "Step up"??
 

oldhermit

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To Shaije -

You misunderstand the idea of law. What Paul is talking about in the books of Romans and Galatians is that we are no longer bound to the leagal system of the Old Covenant. To say that we are no longer under any concept of law defies the fact that Paul says in Gal. 6:2 and 1Cor. 9:21, where he is quite adament about the fact that we ARE under the law of Christ. In Rom 5:12. Paul says that "where there is no law, sin is not imputed." The fact that God still holds man accountable for sinfull behavior shows us that we are still under law. Paul says this is the law of Christ. This law is very clearly regulated by what the Lord says we may and may not do in the church. Christianity is not a free-for-all that allows one to set personal standerds of conduct in the Lord's Body. Worship is and always was regulated by what God says he will accept. Attempting to find ways around these prohibitions in order to satisfy personal agendas and desires and relying on human intellegence in order to rationalize it is not honoring God. This is pride and arrogance. "To obey is better than sacrifice." 1 Sam. 15:22.
 

starfield

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Any man or woman who is faithfully using their God-given talents and anointing in the house of God, providing spiritual leadership, and winning souls to the kingdom of God will be greatly rewarded. God wants preachers to be humble, temperate, and able to teach the sound doctrine.
 
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mholder

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Peter Samaras has said:

"Find wisdom in understanding that man or woman carries no favorite with God for they are both the children of God. There is no position before God that is exclusive to either man or woman..."



 
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jimmydiggs

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Peter Samaras has said:

"Find wisdom in understanding that man or woman carries no favorite with God for they are both the children of God. There is no position before God that is exclusive to either man or woman..."



Peter Samaras, isn't God.
 
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Abiding

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John 20:11-18 (KJV)
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.


funny how it was a woman that was commision to take the good news of his ressurrection to the chicke disciples hidding in the upper room
ok have you study what the word Usurp meens. and ifs thats the case you men need to step up and clear out all the female teaches out of every single church school, and do your jobs.
is this thread about evangelists or preachers/overseers?
 

oldhermit

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Any man or woman who is faithfully using their God-given talents and anointing in the house of God, providing spiritual leadership, and winning souls to the kingdom of God will be greatly rewarded. God wants preachers to be humble, temperate, and able to teach the sound doctrine.

He wa also very clear on the fact that he wants them to be men.
 

oldhermit

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Where in the bible God say that only men should preach the gospel?

You have been shown over and over by a number of people the passages that clearly prohibit women from this function in the church. If women are excluded, this only leaves the men to fill this function.
 

tribesman

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Anyone who has any info on this Peter Samaras? Who is he?
 

Nautilus

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Where in the bible God say that only men should preach the gospel?

You have been shown over and over by a number of people the passages that clearly prohibit women from this function in the church. If women are excluded, this only leaves the men to fill this function.

This is wrong no matter what said of the argument you are on. Even taking the strictest view of this women cant preach over men in church...whatever, nothign says a women cant witness and preach the gospel to people, thats ludicrious.
 

oldhermit

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This is wrong no matter what said of the argument you are on. Even taking the strictest view of this women cant preach over men in church...whatever, nothign says a women cant witness and preach the gospel to people, thats ludicrious.
I think maybe you misunderstood what I was saying. I was not talking about a woman teaching a man the truth at let's say a coffee shop in a one-on-one setting. What I am talking about Is a woman assuming and functioning in the capacity as a teacher or a preacher in a public setting in the assymbly. This is what scripture is forbidding
 

starfield

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Where in the bible God say that only men should preach the gospel?

You have been shown over and over by a number of people the passages that clearly prohibit women from this function in the church. If women are excluded, this only leaves the men to fill this function.
Those passages do not mean that women can't "function" in the church. Paul was rebuking women in that church that were disorderly when prophesying and speaking in tongues. There are several churches that have women who teach in young adult groups, teach in kids groups, teach seminars, etc. There are also women who join their husbands in the ministry. God wants every believer to be witnesses for Him as the Spirit leads and He wants it to be done in orderliness and humility. Every believer is called to win souls to God and that could be by standing on a pulpit to preach or doing one on one preaching. God used women like Deborah in the OT, Priscilla in the NT and God is still using so many women for His work nowadays.
God does not care about titles like deacon, deaconess, bishop, reverend, etc or being in office.
 

tribesman

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...God used women like Deborah in the OT, Priscilla in the NT and God is still using so many women for His work nowadays. God does not care about titles like deacon, deaconess, bishop, reverend, etc or being in office.
He does care about that we keep what He has ordained as for the order of creation, which is the basis for the church order in regards to this issue.

Are you saying that ordaining women to office is OK? If so, do you care about the testimony of scripture and church history?

(Yes, God uses women. That is one thing. The ordination issue is another thing entirely).
 
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oldhermit

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Those passages do not mean that women can't "function" in the church. Paul was rebuking women in that church that were disorderly when prophesying and speaking in tongues. There are several churches that have women who teach in young adult groups, teach in kids groups, teach seminars, etc. There are also women who join their husbands in the ministry. God wants every believer to be witnesses for Him as the Spirit leads and He wants it to be done in orderliness and humility. Every believer is called to win souls to God and that could be by standing on a pulpit to preach or doing one on one preaching. God used women like Deborah in the OT, Priscilla in the NT and God is still using so many women for His work nowadays.
God does not care about titles like deacon, deaconess, bishop, reverend, etc or being in office.

If this were the case he would have said that. This prohabition is universal in scope, not localized to a specific group. In 1 Corinthians 14:33-38, Paul says that this commandment is to "ALL the churches of the saints" and that it is "the LORD's commandment," and that anyone who refuses to recognize this fact "THEY should not be recognized." It seems that you have a difficulty recognizing this.