Women as Preachers: Does God's word authorize this???

[Tru2JHWH]

The Lord taught us to be just. What does your sense of justice tell you about whether or not women should be allowed to preach? My own sense is that it is unjust to deny women rights afforded to men, and vice versa. In my denomination there are many women preachers.

Women being preachers isn't a question of God being just and equal. God wants us to follow his commandments. A lot of people commenting on this thread about women preaching and having authority over a man in worship have it confused with women teaching to other women and children or spreading the gospel by talking to men and women. There is a difference. Yes I'm well aware that there are women who are great speakers and who have a lot of people (men and women) who listens to them and read their books and watch them on tv but it doesn't change what God says in his word. And people who disagree with this commandment it doesn't offend me it offends God because he is the one every soul has to answer to. I just ask everyone to pray and ask God for guidance and to keep studying the scriptures.

May God bless You!

 

[Closemyeyes2cU]

My own sense is that it is unjust to deny women rights afforded to men, and vice versa..

Well, no offense, but we dont go by your sense. We go by what scripture says.

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

 

[Closemyeyes2cU]

I wish this thread had a poll for men and women. I would like to see how men and women vote on this subject.

 

[Tru2JHWH]

I wish this thread had a poll for men and women. I would like to see how men and women vote on this subject.

Great idea! I just did... Go vote now!

 

[OFM]

i vote no/nope and thats that
CAUSE GODS'WORD SAYS SO.

 

[SantoSubito]

The Lord taught us to be just. What does your sense of justice tell you about whether or not women should be allowed to preach? My own sense is that it is unjust to deny women rights afforded to men, and vice versa. In my denomination there are many women preachers.

Then that begs the question of whether being a pastor is a right or not. My own sense tells me being a pastor isn't a right; it is an office given as a gift. In my Church women form the majority (a slim majority, but still) of Mass attenders and only celibate men are allowed to be priests, and the women for the most part have no problem with that.

To sum all that up in one sentence: Being able to be a pastor is like being able to get a driver's license, you have to meet certain requirements.

 

[Nautilus]

I wish this thread had a poll for men and women. I would like to see how men and women vote on this subject.

Just make a new thread with the poll.

 

[Closemyeyes2cU]

Just make a new thread with the poll.

No need to. This one now has one.

 

[oldhermit]

You do know we are taught God is Spirit and would be worshipped in Spirit and Truth? The term Father for God is simply His choice to be called. There is no male or female come the Kingdom but we are all like the angels. This teaching is from Jesus, Yeshua. This all deals with the true nature of all in the spirit, putting aside any role in the flesh, for the flesh is a temporal condition. Consider this if you will. I know you think a lot. Meditation is always good in spiritual pursuits.

This is oldhermit -
It is important that we understand that scripture is not time contengent. Truth is always equidistant to both time and culture. What I mean by this is that it does not matter that the N.T. letters were addressed to specific geographical or cultural groups. The principles that are given are uiversal and apply to christians in every culture and in every time. Regarding this particulat subject, Paul tells the Corinthian church in 1Cor. 14:33-38, that this restriction is to be observed in ALL the chrurches and that anyone who does not recognize that this is "the Lord's commandment," is not to be recognized. To attempt to justify one's disregard for this restriction on the basis of one's desire or even one's ability to teach or preach as a women will simply not overturn what has been commanded. We cannot offer scenarios to argue against the text in order to defend what WE want to do. Somehow we fell that scripture will not stand against the logical argument. The use of scenarios is an attempt to hold the Word of God accountable to the 'logical' agrument. What it boils down to is "what I want" vs what the Word of God says.

 

[chu_huifen]

God give every people authority to deliver His message and it's proves when we read old testament like Esther and Debora. I think it's okay if a woman give preach cause in my church we don't complain about that. I agree that as a woman, we must obey under man authority cause it's God's command, yea we are created to be helper for a man and off course man have responsibility to be a leader in their family. God created us equal in His eyes with different responsible. For me, when we serve together God just see we are equal in His eyes.

My personal experience, I'm a leader in cell group I help the man to lead the flow, I never think being a leader is a honor position because I believe that God choose seomen as a leader and there isn't coincide if a woman can stand as leader or preacher. If you said about the position,I don't really are because for me I seek His approval than position in people's eyes. I remember about Saul, he is King of Israel but when he disobey, God choose David and He blessed David even if he isn't become a King officially.

 

[tribesman]

God give every people authority to deliver His message and it's proves when we read old testament like Esther and Debora. I think it's okay if a woman give preach cause in my church we don't complain about that. I agree that as a woman, we must obey under man authority cause it's God's command, yea we are created to be helper for a man and off course man have responsibility to be a leader in their family. God created us equal in His eyes with different responsible. For me, when we serve together God just see we are equal in His eyes.

My personal experience, I'm a leader in cell group I help the man to lead the flow, I never think being a leader is a honor position because I believe that God choose seomen as a leader and there isn't coincide if a woman can stand as leader or preacher. If you said about the position,I don't really are because for me I seek His approval than position in people's eyes. I remember about Saul, he is King of Israel but when he disobey, God choose David and He blessed David even if he isn't become a King officially.

We must go with what is principally the normative way for the church, seen in scripture. If we just look for an "example" in scripture to find support for a certain practice, then we can find a lot of odd things that man may want to justify. The principle for holding an office is ordination. This was exclusively given to men. Esther, Deborah and Huldah were not ordained to any office. Due to circumstances and with an unique purpose God yet allowed these women to act as officers, although they were not such. We are to look at what is normative and not isolated examples.

 

[Shaije]

Women being preachers isn't a question of God being just and equal. God wants us to follow his commandments. A lot of people commenting on this thread about women preaching and having authority over a man in worship have it confused with women teaching to other women and children or spreading the gospel by talking to men and women. There is a difference. Yes I'm well aware that there are women who are great speakers and who have a lot of people (men and women) who listens to them and read their books and watch them on tv but it doesn't change what God says in his word. And people who disagree with this commandment it doesn't offend me it offends God because he is the one every soul has to answer to. I just ask everyone to pray and ask God for guidance and to keep studying the scriptures.

May God bless You!

authority over men in worship? What are you talking about? Where, exactly is that in the Bible? Mary magdalene was a woman, and she Knew Jesus, personally. Are you going to suggest that she didnt teach, or spread His Word? Please show me where...

 

[oldhermit]

You have to understand chu_huifen that the standard of truth is not human intellegence or personal feelings nor is it the church. It is scripture. Defying this revealed standard is not being honest with the text nor does it honor the xeamples of Esther and Deborah.

 

[Shaije]

This is oldhermit -
It is important that we understand that scripture is not time contengent. Truth is always equidistant to both time and culture. What I mean by this is that it does not matter that the N.T. letters were addressed to specific geographical or cultural groups. The principles that are given are uiversal and apply to christians in every culture and in every time. Regarding this particulat subject, Paul tells the Corinthian church in 1Cor. 14:33-38, that this restriction is to be observed in ALL the chrurches and that anyone who does not recognize that this is "the Lord's commandment," is not to be recognized. To attempt to justify one's disregard for this restriction on the basis of one's desire or even one's ability to teach or preach as a women will simply not overturn what has been commanded. We cannot offer scenarios to argue against the text in order to defend what WE want to do. Somehow we fell that scripture will not stand against the logical argument. The use of scenarios is an attempt to hold the Word of God accountable to the 'logical' agrument. What it boils down to is "what I want" vs what the Word of God says.

okay what about mt 27:55 And many women who followed "Jesus" from Galilee, {ministering to Him,} were there looking on from afar. And Luke 8:1-3 talks about women who followed, and provived for Jesus. Mary Magdalene was a woman, and she knew Jesus personally, and this was before His sacrifice, so the old testament laws were still in affect. It is irresponsible to believe that she didn't teach or spread His Word. Luke 8 tells us she went out with Jesus and the 12. Corinthians 14 ties into Genesis 3:16 (the man ruling over the woman) but not like a tyrant, and the woman shows her respect to her husband first, he guides and provides for her, back then it was disrespectful for a woman to talk out of place, period. The keep your mouth shut in church is a respect thing. It is silly to think that God wouldn't want a woman to spread the Word, and ridiculous that He would find it offensive. After we become believers, that is what we are supposed to do. Spread the Good News of the Gospel. Romans 10:11 For the "Scripture" says, "Whoever, believes on Him will NOT be put to shame." my suggestion is (study) dont just read it, Know it.

 

[tribesman]

okay what about mt 27:55 And many women who followed "Jesus" from Galilee, {ministering to Him,} were there looking on from afar. And Luke 8:1-3 talks about women who followed, and provived for Jesus. Mary Magdalene was a woman, and she knew Jesus personally, and this was before His sacrifice, so the old testament laws were still in affect. It is irresponsible to believe that she didn't teach or spread His Word. Luke 8 tells us she went out with Jesus and the 12. Corinthians 14 ties into Genesis 3:16 (the man ruling over the woman) but not like a tyrant, and the woman shows her respect to her husband first, he guides and provides for her, back then it was disrespectful for a woman to talk out of place, period. The keep your mouth shut in church is a respect thing. It is silly to think that God wouldn't want a woman to spread the Word, and ridiculous that He would find it offensive. After we become believers, that is what we are supposed to do. Spread the Good News of the Gospel. Romans 10:11 For the "Scripture" says, "Whoever, believes on Him will NOT be put to shame." my suggestion is (study) dont just read it, Know it.

None of these (or any other) women were ordained to any office. That is the decisive factor and dividing line here.

 

[Shaije]

We must go with what is principally the normative way for the church, seen in scripture. If we just look for an "example" in scripture to find support for a certain practice, then we can find a lot of odd things that man may want to justify. The principle for holding an office is ordination. This was exclusively given to men. Esther, Deborah and Huldah were not ordained to any office. Due to circumstances and with an unique purpose God yet allowed these women to act as officers, although they were not such. We are to look at what is normative and not isolated examples.

First and foremost....We are no longer under the Law....And as a new Creation in CHRIST it is our duty to spead Gods Word. This is not exclusive to men. "Go out and spread the Word My children, unless you are woman".....sounds dumb, doesnt it?

 

[tribesman]

First and foremost....We are no longer under the Law....And as a new Creation in CHRIST it is our duty to spead Gods Word. This is not exclusive to men. "Go out and spread the Word My children, unless you are woman".....sounds dumb, doesnt it?

Paul had a completely different view of the law (and what the term "under the law" means) than you seem to have. He actually referred to the law when he reiterated his position on this matter in 1Cor.14:34-38.

Spread God's word is one thing. Being ordained to an office in the church is another thing.

 

[Closemyeyes2cU]

I'm amazed and thrilled at the spiritually mature women who submit to Gods word. God bless you ladies.

 

[GOLD]

GENESIS 37:9 he dreamed another dream and told it to his brothers and said, " Behold, I have dreamed another dream. Behold, the sun, the moon and the eleven stars were bowing down to me." 10 ............,his father rebuked him and said to him, "........Shall I and your mother and your brothers indeed come to bow ........
Well this was the dream given to Joseph by GOD. Here the sun refers to Jacob and the moon refers to Joseph's mother and the stars to his brothers.
When God created Earth He made two great lights Genesis1:16 And God made two great lights-- the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night ---and the stars.
So the Sun which is the greater light rules the day and Moon the lesser light rules the night.Both do their part to separate light from darkness.
Likewise man and woman both have their own God assigned roles to play for the Kingdom of God.

 

[Mia2]

I have personally seen a woman being a teacher (on a forum). It was a quieter forum, about 20-30 posters, and the woman... had different beliefs than most regarding doctrine.
She seemed to hate any other woman, and did anything to get rid of them, and was a different person in private (abusive messages, gossiping, lies...... as well as all kinds of weird stuff).
Anyway, left alone with all the men, she was happy. She would lead them all.
I mean, she took over everything. Even the men posted less than she did.
She suffered from jealousy, and if anyone seemed to be getting too close to another, she would cause trouble. (so much more to say about that, but I wont).
Then I learnt about the Jezebel Spirit. Well, it was good to know exactly Why.
But, if there was ever a time when I, and others, wished that woman would be silent (and I am a woman myself!) it was then.

I think what i learnt from it all is, I learnt to be more quieter myself.
I completely agree with the Apostle Paul. And I vote in favor of Scripture!