Women as Preachers: Does God's word authorize this???

[Tru2JHWH]

authority over men in worship? What are you talking about? Where, exactly is that in the Bible? Mary magdalene was a woman, and she Knew Jesus, personally. Are you going to suggest that she didnt teach, or spread His Word? Please show me where...

I'm not sure if your have read my recent posts on this subject or actually made sure you understood any statements I have made...the post you replied to I specifically said that women do teach men and women the gospel...this thread isn't talking about women spreading the gospel to men and women...What this thread is discussing is how God (from the mouth of Paul to Timothy) said in 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. This verse is not talking about a woman sharing the gospel to men and women it's talking about a woman standing in church, doing worship service, and PREACHING to men and women.

Now I'm a book, chapter and verse kind of girl so if I say anything I have a verse to back it up. I'm not on here to argue with anyone just simply state scripture. If you check out other posts people have posted you will see that you are not the only one to disagree with me and a lot of people are disqualifying Paul teachings and so on. I do not care. The only thing I care about is spreading the truth though God's word. I'm just letting you know now I'm not like some of these other members that go back in forth on threads. But if you have questions and you have verses that you would like to point out that's fine just be careful not to take it out of context.

Have a blessed day!

 

[Tru2JHWH]

is this thread about evangelists or preachers/overseers?

Thank you for making this statement! For some reason a lot of people keep thinking that this thread is talking about "women spreading the word" It is not the case. I never stated that women couldn't spread the gospel, I never said God doesn't use women to glorify his kingdom. I never said that women are not equaled to men. I never said women who teaches God's word are wrong in what they say or teach. I never said God are not using these women to spread his word.

But read my next statement slowly so you can actually understand what I'm saying and what God's word says.
God (through the teachings of Paul) commands women not to PREACH (not teach) in worship services.

Like I have stated in a recent post you can disagree with me all day long but you are not offending me you are offending God by not honoring his commandments. And every soul has to answer to God on judgement day! Not me!

Everybody have a blessed day!

 

[happyinhisway]

John 20:11-18 (KJV)
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.


funny how it was a woman that was commision to take the good news of his ressurrection to the chicke disciples hidding in the upper room
ok have you study what the word Usurp meens. and ifs thats the case you men need to step up and clear out all the female teaches out of every single church school, and do your jobs.

u·surp (y-sûrp, -zûrp&#57375
v. u·surped, u·surp·ing, u·surps
v. tr.

1. To seize and hold (the power or rights of another, for example) by force and without legal authority. See Synonyms at appropriate.
2. To take over or occupy without right: usurp a neighbor's land.
v. intr.

To seize another's place, authority, or possession wrongfully.

1
a: to seize and hold (as office, place, or powers) in possession by force or without right <usurp a throne> b: to take or make use of without right <usurped the rights to her life story>
2
: to take the place of by or as if by force : supplant <must not let stock responses based on inherited prejudice usurp careful judgment>

So Paul was sying women dont force men to listen to you; let then choose. Wait didnt the first Adam mess up and listen to his wife in the garden? He didn't correct her or try to stop her for he was sitting/standing close by for her to eat the fruit and give him some and then percided to blame GOD and his wife for the downfall. So men have the right to step up and preach and be the head of the house and protect his woman. If not then the women have the Godly given right to step up and teach/preach and direct the congregation as Jahovah tells her to lead. As I see men have the right to sit in the chair and listen to the sermond from a woman or get up and leave, so its a choice. If a woman is up on the popet, men you better wonder just wonder why are the men not stepping up?
Usurp interesting word

By the way all this time I tought I had to sit and listen to a woman preach I could have walked out with God's permision. Man (just kidding)

 

[GreenNnice]

Thank you for making this statement! For some reason a lot of people keep thinking that this thread is talking about "women spreading the word" It is not the case. I never stated that women couldn't spread the gospel, I never said God doesn't use women to glorify his kingdom. I never said that women are not equaled to men. I never said women who teaches God's word are wrong in what they say or teach. I never said God are not using these women to spread his word.

But read my next statement slowly so you can actually understand what I'm saying and what God's word says.
God (through the teachings of Paul) commands women not to PREACH (not teach) in worship services.

Like I have stated in a recent post you can disagree with me all day long but you are not offending me you are offending God by not honoring his commandments. And every soul has to answer to God on judgement day! Not me!

Everybody have a blessed day!

Well, does you verse state that women should not teach (by the way putting 'preach' in parenthesis is adding to the Word). ?

Does Paul?

Are the words Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:12 &#8221;And I do not allow a woman to teach or habe authority over a man IN A WORSHIP SERVICE????

yahwehtrue: But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. This verse is not talking about a woman sharing the gospel to men and women it's talking about a woman standing in church, doing worship service, and PREACHING to men and women.

Does Paul specifically context his 1 Tim. 2:12 verse to say tnis?
What context are the immediate verses around 2:12 saying?

 

[Tru2JHWH]

Well, does you verse state that women should not teach (by the way putting 'preach' in parenthesis is adding to the Word). ?

Does Paul?

Are the words Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:12 ”And I do not allow a woman to teach or habe authority over a man IN A WORSHIP SERVICE????



Does Paul specifically context his 1 Tim. 2:12 verse to say tnis?
What context are the immediate verses around 2:12 saying?[/quote

You can look in the New Testament and see that there were no women who were elders, bishops, deacons.
Titus 1:6-7 6) If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly 7) For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God;.....
The definition of usurp in 1 Timothy 2:12 the Greek word is authenteo-to have authority over. The Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary states that usurp means to seize or exercise authority or possession wrongfully.
So with that being said a woman who usurp authority over the man can be doing this only if she preaches to them. And when someone is preaching the word of God to a group of people is it not called worship service? It doesn't necessarily have to be a church building but any where that people worship my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Titus tells us what women are to do these things Titus 2:3-5 The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4) That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5) To be discreet, chaste, keepers of home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

 

[GreenNnice]

Well, does you verse state that women should not teach (by the way putting 'preach' in parenthesis is adding to the Word). ?

Does Paul?

Are the words Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:12 ”And I do not allow a woman to teach or habe authority over a man IN A WORSHIP SERVICE????



Does Paul specifically context his 1 Tim. 2:12 verse to say tnis?
What context are the immediate verses around 2:12 saying?[/quote

You can look in the New Testament and see that there were no women who were elders, bishops, deacons.
Titus 1:6-7 6) If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly 7) For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God;.....
The definition of usurp in 1 Timothy 2:12 the Greek word is authenteo-to have authority over. The Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary states that usurp means to seize or exercise authority or possession wrongfully.
So with that being said a woman who usurp authority over the man can be doing this only if she preaches to them. And when someone is preaching the word of God to a group of people is it not called worship service? It doesn't necessarily have to be a church building but any where that people worship my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Titus tells us what women are to do these things Titus 2:3-5 The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4) That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5) To be discreet, chaste, keepers of home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Reread what I said, you are not answering my questions.

Specificallly...

1. what verses immediate surround 1 Timothy 2:12?
2. Does 1 Tim. 2:12 speak specifically of woman submitting to men 'in a worship service.'?

 

[Tru2JHWH]

Reread what I said, you are not answering my questions.

Specificallly...

1. what verses immediate surround 1 Timothy 2:12?
2. Does 1 Tim. 2:12 speak specifically of woman submitting to men 'in a worship service.'?

I did! I'm assuming you didn't like the scriptures I pointed out. Regardless the Bible means what it says. And thank God man can't change that! May God continue to bless you as you study his word rightly dividing the truth!

 

[GreenNnice]

I did! I'm assuming you didn't like the scriptures I pointed out. Regardless the Bible means what it says. And thank God man can't change that! May God continue to bless you as you study his word rightly dividing the truth!

Man can change 'that.' I'm changing right now, rightly analyzing the wording, not being conceited, just saying, as you can tell I just LOVE that 'rightly dividing the Word legalism sassafras

Paul, in 1 Timothy 2:12 is not saying 'women PASTORS should not teach (remember, too, you wrongly read The Word to add the word, 'preach,' yahwehtrue) men or have authority over them.

You are trying to zip these 1 Tim. 2:12 words by Paul into a 'bishop' context and 'in the church pews' for men's control over women and nowhere in this scripture nor the immediate surrounding scriptures does Paul say what you are saying. Thank God, we can't add to or take away from His Word

 

[mholder]

Never heard of him. Is he the one who was disconnected?

Peter Samaras is a messenger from God. You can learn about him at the Arcanum Deus website. I know this because I read about him and research his writing for the past two years.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Peter Samaras is a messenger from God. You can learn about him at the Arcanum Deus website. I know this because I read about him and research his writing for the past two years.

This is a cult.

Arcanum Deus website: http://arcanumdeus.com/index.html

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[SantoSubito]

This is a cult.

Arcanum Deus website: Arcanum Deus Society

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I'd be wary of anyone who names their website "Mystery of God" in Latin.

 

[tribesman]

This is a cult.

Arcanum Deus website: Arcanum Deus Society

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Ty for the heads up. At least there was some honesty about the spiritual status. I wish more cults could clearly state who they are.

 

[GreenNnice]

Well, does you verse state that women should not teach (by the way putting 'preach' in parenthesis is adding to the Word). ?

Does Paul?

Are the words Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:12 &#8221;And I do not allow a woman to teach or habe authority over a man IN A WORSHIP SERVICE????



Does Paul specifically context his 1 Tim. 2:12 verse to say tnis?
What context are the immediate verses around 2:12 saying?[/quote

You can look in the New Testament and see that there were no women who were elders, bishops, deacons.
Titus 1:6-7 6) If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly 7) For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God;.....
The definition of usurp in 1 Timothy 2:12 the Greek word is authenteo-to have authority over. The Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary states that usurp means to seize or exercise authority or possession wrongfully.
So with that being said a woman who usurp authority over the man can be doing this only if she preaches to them. And when someone is preaching the word of God to a group of people is it not called worship service? It doesn't necessarily have to be a church building but any where that people worship my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Titus tells us what women are to do these things Titus 2:3-5 The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4) That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5) To be discreet, chaste, keepers of home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Bottom line: God uses women to preach, too, and, not just preach but to preach (and teach) men greatly, this is an exception to the rule, and, I feel that a woman's presence next to her man she married to, can (and will) be a great effective witness for reaching others to Christ, the Lord, of course, MUST lead us IF He calls us to preacher status on pulpit. So yes, my feelings.

So, yes, women preachers now is good, green? ¥es! this all according to the Lord's will, of which I have no doubt is His will now, and, in the past of great Godly women preachers, like Paula White, and, jimdig's favorite, lol, Joyce Meyers !

God bless your zeal to teach, for the record, Yahwehtru, YOU have teached (preached?) marvelously on this thread, surely, Thy will be done, you WILL be blessed So, watch out !

The Lord leads. 'Follow Me.'

 

[A-Omega]

How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

 

[GreenNnice]

How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

Who are you following then if you don't believe God used said women pastors and teachers (White, Meyers, et al) in my previous post, which master are you following? If you do not think these women were not divinely appointed by God to preach to the multitudes at churches across the country, not to mention, widespread dissemination of God's holy word on the radio, like Elizabeth Elliott, who are you believing?

 

[OFM]

I PERSONALLY KNOW SOME CATHOLIC NUNS WHO CAN PRESENT THE WORD OF GOD REALLY WELL.

 

[A-Omega]

Who are you following then if you don't believe God used said women pastors and teachers (White, Meyers, et al) in my previous post, which master are you following? If you do not think these women were not divinely appointed by God to preach to the multitudes at churches across the country, not to mention, widespread dissemination of God's holy word on the radio, like Elizabeth Elliott, who are you believing?

Let's not get started on Paula White "doctrine" unless we derail this whole thread.

I follow the God of the Bible. And I believe His Word. All of it. Even the parts that make a sinner like me uncomfortable. They follow a God of their own creation (who "called them" into being a pastor). It's simple, either you believe God's Word or you do not.

A lot of people criticiize Rob Bell and he takes all sorts of heat for his radical ideas about Christianity (no one goes to hell, homosexuality is a sin, etc.). But at least Bell just comes out and says that he disagrees with the Bible. So I don't know why others can't just say the same. Just come and say the Bible is wrong on this issue and at least your position on women pastors will have consistency.

 

[JaumeJ]

For those who love to use the Old Testament when it suits them on this subject,
Then the same turn and say the Sabbath is not the Seventh day, and not a command to be heeded.

Jesus asked the hypocrites if they did not believe Him to at least believe the works that witness to Him.
Is anyone here prepared to deny the works of the Holy Spirit in women who teach the Word of God from the pulpit?
I will not.

 

[angelofmercy]

For those who love to use the Old Testament when it suits them on this subject,
Then the same turn and say the Sabbath is not the Seventh day, and not a command to be heeded.

Jesus asked the hypocrites if they did not believe Him to at least believe the works that witness to Him.
Is anyone here prepared to deny the works of the Holy Spirit in women who teach the Word of God from the pulpit?
I will not.

What does it mean to say God has NO RESPECT OF PERSONS?



If love is the fulfillment of the law, is it then constrained to a CREATED DAY of the week? Or have you all NOT read that the sabbath was MADE FOR US????

Now is it lawful to do good on ANY day of the week?

 

[JaumeJ]

What does it mean to say God has NO RESPECT OF PERSONS?



If love is the fulfillment of the law, is it then constrained to a CREATED DAY of the week? Or have you all NOT read that the sabbath was MADE FOR US????

Now is it lawful to do good on ANY day of the week?

Of course the Sabbath is made for man, and for man to set it aside to be with God in holiness, also to rest from his daily labors. What else could it be? And it would be unlawful not to do good everyday. The Sabbath is not set aside to do good, it is the aforementioned. Good should be seven days a week.............anyone understands this.