Women cannot have authority in the congregation.

[Lafftur]

This is God speaking through the Prophet. Isaiah 41

21“Present your case,” says the Lord.

“Set forth your arguments,” says Jacob’s King.

22“Tell us, you idols,

what is going to happen.

Tell us what the former things were,

so that we may consider them

and know their final outcome.

Or declare to us the things to come,

23tell us what the future holds,

so we may know that you are gods.

Do something, whether good or bad,

so that we will be dismayed and filled with fear.

24But you are less than nothing

and your works are utterly worthless;

whoever chooses you is detestable.

Now we know that the scriptures cannot contradict. If God is saying here that the fact that the false demonic idols were not able to tell the future and that only God can do that then all future tellers are just pretenders. And that is why we know that Luke saying that she made her owners money with fortune telling simply means people paid her money to tell their fortunes and she did what they did in the days of Isaiah pretended to have that power but really did not since only God has that divine attribute and all fortune tellers are liars.

No Scribe - an idol was a "block of wood." I'm talking about a live person possessed by a spirit of divination - BIG DIFFERENCE.

A "block of wood" cannot see the future in the Spirit Realm but a demon possessed person CAN.

 

[Lafftur]

I understand you wish to disengage and not deal with the biblical concept of the necessity for teachers and Holy Spirit led teachers

God does not like to be misrepresented and have all the warnings about deception be ignored

it is a great disservice to the body of Christ to do so

let's recap, shall we?

you come charging in like gang busters telling us all that you only have the Holy Spirit for your teacher and anyone who does otherwise is full of themself and worldly wisdom

sound familiar?

you basically blasted us with your opinions and gave us what for

right. you go ahead and check out though but I pray people pay attention and understand that everyone agreed we should pray and ask God to help us with His Spirit, we also acknowledge what scripture states about teachers and the need for them

Well, if you would like to continue, we can. I could just tell you were getting upset and probably needed a time-out......

I do enjoy listening to sermons and Bible teachers BUT, everything they say is filtered through the Holy Spirit and Word of God - meaning if the Holy Spirit in me does NOT bear witness to what the person is saying then, I throw it out!

Usually, the Holy Spirit will bring scriptures back to my memory that clarifies understanding and where the person missed it.

I do NOT know everything but, the Holy Spirit DOES.

1 John 2:25-27 King James Version (KJV)
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[Lafftur]

"Lafftur, post: 4341575, member: 254930"]@Scribe @lenna @SoulWeaver @Angela53510

God has promised, when a person seeks Him with all their heart they will find Him.

So, if you want to use hermeneutics to seek God with all your heart, go ahead.

God is free, willing and able to use any study tool to teach us - sometimes parables, life experience, object lesson, His Word, etc but, ALL UNDERSTANDING of Truth comes from the Holy Spirit to us - without the Holy Spirit we know NOTHING, even if we think we do.

Our understanding has to be made OPEN by the Holy Spirit.

I find the simplicity of just sitting with God's Word the Bible and reading it and asking God questions and having conversation with Him - God has given us His Holy Spirit to teach, guide, counsel, comfort, and empower us as witnesses of Jesus Christ. He is the Author - He knows what His Word means and can easily give a seeking heart understanding.

Deception is too easy in the physical realm. We need the Holy Spirit to understand and discern correctly.

Hermeneutics originated from Greek Mythology - a Greek god named Hermes that was suppose to interpret and give knowledge to mortals.....

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/hermeneutic
First used in the 1670s, the adjective hermeneutic has origins in the Greek word hermeneuein, meaning "to interpret," which is thought to have derived from the Greek god Hermes, who served as a messenger interpreting between the gods and mortals. Like Hermes, something hermeneutic involves interpretation.

......it appears to me hermeneutics is just another attempt of philosophical human reasoning but, all of you go ahead and enjoy your hermeneutics.......I'm staying with the Holy Spirit.



gee thanks for telling us that only you have the Holy Spirit and that hermeneutics is demonic.
smh

you can't make up this kind of nonsense

You're definitely NOT understanding my posts....

lenna - as a born again believer, you have the Holy Spirit TOO! Grab your Bible, snuggle up with the Holy Spirit and read, ask questions from your heart and let the Holy Spirit teach you!! You'll love it!!! It's amazing how the Holy Spirit will open up your understanding........please do it! Enjoy!

 

[Scribe]

No Scribe - an idol was a "block of wood." I'm talking about a live person possessed by a spirit of divination - BIG DIFFERENCE.

A "block of wood" cannot see the future in the Spirit Realm but a demon possessed person CAN.

ARGGGGGHHH.... This is why women are not allowed to teach! ...... I am totally KIDDING!

But if you follow that logic then God loses the argument in this "court case" and the demon possessed person is declared divine?

“Present your case,” says the Lord. “Set forth your arguments,” says Jacob’s King
...declare to us the things to come, tell us what the future holds, so we may know that you are gods. ... your logic that this applies only to the block of wood and not the one who worships it would mean that the fortune teller who bows to the block of wood, could then "Present Their Case" and Set forth their arguments" by stating to God, "oh it can't but I can so I am indeed a god" and would win this court case. Surely you can see that God is saying that only he can tell the future and those who worship demons or who are possessed by demons are deceivers.

 

[oldethennew]

oh dear:
sounds as if some are becoming 'condescending' to one another while trying to validate their
own heart's understanding...
we both have been through this many, many, times, and our peace has come to us through being 'humble',
which means, looking at ourselves first through Gods eyes, and then responding through
The Holy Spirit's Will/Words...

 

[Lafftur]

ARGGGGGHHH.... This is why women are not allowed to teach! ...... I am totally KIDDING!

But if you follow that logic then God loses the argument in this "court case" and the demon possessed person is declared divine?

“Present your case,” says the Lord. “Set forth your arguments,” says Jacob’s King
...declare to us the things to come, tell us what the future holds, so we may know that you are gods. ... your logic that this applies only to the block of wood and not the one who worships it would mean that the fortune teller who bows to the block of wood, could then "Present Their Case" and Set forth their arguments" by stating to God, "oh it can't but I can so I am indeed a god" and would win this court case. Surely you can see that God is saying that only he can tell the future and those who worship demons or who are possessed by demons are deceivers.

I love your humor!! Well, let's look at the scripture......


Acts 16:16-19 New International Version (NIV)

16 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling.

17 She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.”

18 She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.

19 When her owners realized that their hope of making money was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace to face the authorities.

Paul cast the spirit of divination out of a women that could tell peoples' futures and her owners made money off of her.

She had to be very accurate or her owners would NOT have made money off of her.

If she was "faking" the fortune telling she would have been able to continue "faking" and her owners would not have been upset at all.

That spirit of divination operated from the Spiritual Realm and could see certain things about people in the spirit, after Paul cast the spirit of divination out of her, she could not tell fortunes anymore.

God rules from the Heavenly Realm - which is hidden from the Spiritual Realm. All these new agers, mystics and spiritualist people operate from the Spiritual Realm but, the Heavenly Realm is higher.

Paul could cast out demons and this spirit of divination because he operates from the Heavenly Realm where he is seated with Jesus Christ according to the Father's Will, even though he was physically on Earth.

God is in supreme control - no one does anything except God allows it. The Spiritual Realm knows nothing unless God releases it from the Heavenly Realm.

 

[lenna]

You are very gracious that's for sure. You're forum decorum is worth emulating. It does say in the first chapter of Isaiah " Come now, and let us reason together...". That is what is happening in the current flow of conversation.

after the false negative things she said about some of us she is gracious?

LOL!

after the way she charged in and started throwing accusations?

gracious? maybe we have a different understanding of that word

 

[Blue_Of_Lake]

oh dear:
sounds as if some are becoming 'condescending' to one another while trying to validate their
own heart's understanding...
we both have been through this many, many, times, and our peace has come to us through being 'humble',
which means, looking at ourselves first through Gods eyes, and then responding through
The Holy Spirit's Will/Words...

"... love your neighbor as yourself ..."


How to "Love Your Neighbor As Yourself" - Bible Meaning of Mark 12:31

"... By loving our neighbor as ourselves, Christ has made it impossible for us to fail because we are very good at taking care of ourselves. We want what is best for us and by making our own selves as the benchmark of how we should love others, Christ has shown us how to truly love our neighbor."

 

[lenna]

No Scribe - an idol was a "block of wood." I'm talking about a live person possessed by a spirit of divination - BIG DIFFERENCE.

A "block of wood" cannot see the future in the Spirit Realm but a demon possessed person CAN.

as Paul stated, it is the spirit behind these things

like offering your children to 'Molech' burning them to death while alive

you do not seem to have very much knowledge of what it is you are trying to say

you offer no scripture to illustrate your offerings

you really should apologize for the way you have accused people of not having the Holy Spirit. you were downright rude and abusive

 

[lenna]

oh dear:
sounds as if some are becoming 'condescending' to one another while trying to validate their
own heart's understanding...
we both have been through this many, many, times, and our peace has come to us through being 'humble',
which means, looking at ourselves first through Gods eyes, and then responding through
The Holy Spirit's Will/Words...

so do you also object to the proper understanding of scripture?

are you good with ripping verses out of context and telling others only you know how to chat with God and only you are led by the Holy Spirit because people who actually study and use hermeneutics are false and worldly?

that is what lafftur did and I'm not laughing

You're definitely NOT understanding my posts....

lenna - as a born again believer, you have the Holy Spirit TOO! Grab your Bible, snuggle up with the Holy Spirit and read, ask questions from your heart and let the Holy Spirit teach you!! You'll love it!!! It's amazing how the Holy Spirit will open up your understanding........please do it! Enjoy!

what a condescending post

shows who you are

 

[wolfwint]

First of all, the minor theme of the theory of evolution: there is more and clearer evidence for this, even if many questions remain unresolved; than for the creation story of the Bible or the Enuma Elish of the Babylonians.
Then, one of the first things I learned at the NSA when I started there in 1974 was that you should never believe a source alone, but always need at least two independent sources to make something safe.
Thus there are extra-biblical sources that prove that Jesus lived. There is no other source for the many miracles he has allegedly done. So it is a matter of faith. But how can one believe a book that, due to a lack of translations (or incorrect translations), there is a wide scope for speculation and interpretation?
For example:
The Word "abomination" is often mentioned in the Bible. The Hebrew word for it is To'evah (hope I correctly reproduced it from Hebrew). What describes a moral sin, something that makes you unclean before God. A pregnant woman was considered unclean and was not allowed to go to the temple. Except, she previously took a ritual bath, the Mikwe, and was then clean again for the temple.
Much of what was an abomination to God was the death penalty. Disobedient children, Sabbath abusers, and people wearing mixed-fabric clothing could be killed.
So did homosexuals, or people who wore clothes and hair of the opposite sex.
All this was part of the law of Moses, which is fulfilled by the Atonement of Christ (according to the Letter to the Galatians).
I'm just wondering what I'm doing here, where faith counts more than facts?

Without faith you cant find God. Without faith you cant be saved.
Thats the thing. Thats why believers are called stupid ore from yesterday. They believe more the word of God, then the "facts" people claim. But my expierience with God are full of facts for me.
I dont know you know Werner Gitt, he is a german Professor for informatic. Gerlinde hab grad gesehen du bist deutsch. Dann ließ doch mal Bücher von Werner Gitt. Da bekommst Du Fakten geliefert.
Nun, wenn Du Gott wirklich suchst, dann wirst Du ihn nur mit Glauben finden. Ohne deinen Verstand abgeben zu müssen.

 

[tourist]

after the false negative things she said about some of us she is gracious?

LOL!

after the way she charged in and started throwing accusations?

gracious? maybe we have a different understanding of that word

Despite being attacked left and right she did not say a mean thing about anyone. Yes, I would say that she is gracious. Disagreeing with someone is not the same as an accusation. She is very much a class act and I highly respect her and her perceptions and spiritual insights merit serious consideration. She is certainly not contentious that's for sure.

 

[lenna]

Despite being attacked left and right she did not say a mean thing about anyone. Yes, I would say that she is gracious. Disagreeing with someone is not the same as an accusation. She is very much a class act and I highly respect her and her perceptions and spiritual insights merit serious consideration. She is certainly not contentious that's for sure.

LOL! right. she started out that way calling us worldly and no spiritual while using herself as an example all should follow and in fact telling us she was the example here

short memories in this forum

 

[Lafftur]

as Paul stated, it is the spirit behind these things

like offering your children to 'Molech' burning them to death while alive

you do not seem to have very much knowledge of what it is you are trying to say

you offer no scripture to illustrate your offerings

you really should apologize for the way you have accused people of not having the Holy Spirit. you were downright rude and abusive

Who did I accuse of NOT having the Holy Spirit?

 

[lenna]

Go ahead @Dino246 - enjoy hermeneutics. I'm staying with the Holy Spirit.

here she insinuates that Dino does not have the Holy Spirit. how is that not contentious? her opinion is that she has the Holy Spirit and Dino does not

......it appears to me hermeneutics is just another attempt of philosophical human reasoning but, all of you go ahead and enjoy your hermeneutics.......I'm staying with the Holy Spirit.

here she says the same to myself and others. she is not disagreeing. she is making statements that her opinion is that she is persuing God while those who understand how to study are just worldly. how do you see that as polite?

Hermeneutics originated from Greek Mythology - a Greek god named Hermes that was suppose to interpret and give knowledge to mortals.....

that is her understanding of a word that she scoffs at because she does not actually understand it but yet she scoffs and mocks those who do. how is that not rude? how is that nice?

she is not wanting to discuss. she accuses and belittles according to her own code of ethics here and frankly, it is apparent she believes she is superior and has not indicated any desire to talk about what she says is basically not spiritual even though everyone agreed we should pray and ask God that the Holy Spirit guide us in our studies

further, she has derailed the thread with her emphasis on how SHE does things.

thread should really get back on track after this hijack

 

[GodsGirlLV]

Women cannot have authority in the congregation or over their husbands.
1 Corinthians 14: 34-35
1 Timothy 2: 11-12

Please don't take Paul out of his context. His message to Corinth was specifically for that audience. Since Paul elsewhere values women and appoints them as leaders in the early churches (Phoebe is just one example of that—there’s also Chloe, Junia, and many more), it seems highly unlikely that he meant to bar EVERY woman from ever speaking in a church assembly.

 

[tourist]

LOL! right. she started out that way calling us worldly and no spiritual while using herself as an example all should follow and in fact telling us she was the example here

short memories in this forum

I believe that just about everyone is inclined to be worldly.

It is evident that there are certainly a lot struggles on a spiritual level but do believe that we, and by this I mean most of frequent regular contributors on this site that I have been privileged to become acquainted with, are doing the best that they can with what God has provided in their own unique particular station that they find themselves in each day.

For myself, I try to find spiritual nourishment each day but it seems that the cares of living in the world drag me down. Often I am depressed but find that her personality and concern shows through in each post that she writes, I get a certain measure of spiritual edification and my depression lifts if even for that moment. And for that I am grateful.

I have a saying that I often use, "It's not so bad if you think about it". That's how her posts make me feel. I appreciate kind and decent people, regardless of their spiritual perceptions. Another member from years ago had a saying too, "We are all human after all". That was a statement of truth. It's certainly true in my case.

 

[oldethennew]

after the false negative things she said about some of us she is gracious?

LOL!

after the way she charged in and started throwing accusations?

gracious? maybe we have a different understanding of that word

===============================
YES,
she is being 'gracious' and you are NOT = for us, maybe we need to 'hear' and not 'defend',
which Jesus NEVER did...???

 

[lenna]

===============================
YES,
she is being 'gracious' and you are NOT = for us, maybe we need to 'hear' and not 'defend',
which Jesus NEVER did...???

you do not respond to my post but simply deflect and accuse

smh

as it is, it's time to go back to the actual op. when someone takes over a thread and totally makes it all about themself, I get the message they might be all about themself

 

[lenna]

I believe that just about everyone is inclined to be worldly.

It is evident that there are certainly a lot struggles on a spiritual level but do believe that we, and by this I mean most of frequent regular contributors on this site that I have been privileged to become acquainted with, are doing the best that they can with what God has provided in their own unique particular station that they find themselves in each day.

For myself, I try to find spiritual nourishment each day but it seems that the cares of living in the world drag me down. Often I am depressed but find that her personality and concern shows through in each post that she writes, I get a certain measure of spiritual edification and my depression lifts if even for that moment. And for that I am grateful.

I have a saying that I often use, "It's not so bad if you think about it". That's how her posts make me feel. I appreciate kind and decent people, regardless of their spiritual perceptions. Another member from years ago had a saying too, "We are all human after all". That was a statement of truth. It's certainly true in my case.

I understand what you are saying .

I don't pretend to know all and have never said that I do and I am open to learning and always have been. I think I made it clear with regards to the problems I saw in her posts but she no longer seems to want to own what she said

for me, it's clear enough so I am done with it
Thanks