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The Church is the (Israel) of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 6:15-16KJV
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 6:15-16KJV
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
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As I stated, you promote dispensationalism's (Dual Covenant Theology)
God is done with the Jewish Covenant, it's all about the New Testament, the covenant of blood on the cross of Calvary.
It's Israel the Church, (Inheritance Theology)
Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
God is done with the Jewish Covenant, it's all about the New Testament, the covenant of blood on the cross of Calvary.
It's Israel the Church, (Inheritance Theology)
Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Oh my friend pull back the reins. I said not duel covenant.....no matter
You on the other hand in replacement theology....heart breaking.
I don't know what led your thinking to that but it's wrong.
We should humble ourselves so greatly as to by the grace of God we were grafted into Abraham's seed.
God's love for Israel and his promise to redeem still stands today.
You on the other hand in replacement theology....heart breaking.
I don't know what led your thinking to that but it's wrong.
We should humble ourselves so greatly as to by the grace of God we were grafted into Abraham's seed.
God's love for Israel and his promise to redeem still stands today.
You misrepresent my posting
At no time did I say ethnic Jews were not going to be saved, I posted Romans 11 and Zechariah 13 to show the (Remnant Jew) will be saved, those chosen and predestined, just as all Christian's are and they will be Added to the Church.
Once the last name is written in the Lambs Book Of Life, then (All Israel Will Be Saved)
And once again, Romans 9:6-8, the Church is the Israel of God
That's Inheritance Theology
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 6:15-16KJV
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
At no time did I say ethnic Jews were not going to be saved, I posted Romans 11 and Zechariah 13 to show the (Remnant Jew) will be saved, those chosen and predestined, just as all Christian's are and they will be Added to the Church.
Once the last name is written in the Lambs Book Of Life, then (All Israel Will Be Saved)
And once again, Romans 9:6-8, the Church is the Israel of God
That's Inheritance Theology
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 6:15-16KJV
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
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You misrepresent my posting
At no time did I say ethnic Jews were not going to be saved, I posted Romans 11 and Zechariah 13 to show the (Remnant Jew) will be saved, those chosen and predestined, just as all Christian's are and they will be Added to the Church.
Once the last name is written in the Lambs Book Of Life, then (All Israel Will Be Saved)
And once again, Romans 9:6-8, the Church is the Israel of God
That's Inheritance Theology
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 6:15-16KJV
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
At no time did I say ethnic Jews were not going to be saved, I posted Romans 11 and Zechariah 13 to show the (Remnant Jew) will be saved, those chosen and predestined, just as all Christian's are and they will be Added to the Church.
Once the last name is written in the Lambs Book Of Life, then (All Israel Will Be Saved)
And once again, Romans 9:6-8, the Church is the Israel of God
That's Inheritance Theology
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 6:15-16KJV
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
So your saying inheritance theology which is not instead of Israel but with Israel?
One refreshing thing I find about this site: I find myself in total agreement with certain people in some threads, and in complete disagreement with those same people in other threads. It's kinda nice in a way.
Regarding the sabbath, I think the idea of rest is excellent. As I get older I find I need more rest for any given amount of productive work. For my mind if nothing else.
But I think God's standards for sabbath observance are neigh impossible. Our inability to meet those standards points to the need for a savior. Just like the rest of God's laws.
Regarding the sabbath, I think the idea of rest is excellent. As I get older I find I need more rest for any given amount of productive work. For my mind if nothing else.
But I think God's standards for sabbath observance are neigh impossible. Our inability to meet those standards points to the need for a savior. Just like the rest of God's laws.
Ephesians 1:13-14
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
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Those in Christ are "new creations" meaning we have received a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance, although we have not yet received that inheritance.
So we still live in the old creation (7 days), but are sealed with a guarantee of the new creation (8th day).
Thus why we do not look back (sabbath Saturday), but instead look forward (ressurection Sunday) to the day we will be ressurected w/ Christ and receive our inheritance.
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
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Those in Christ are "new creations" meaning we have received a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance, although we have not yet received that inheritance.
So we still live in the old creation (7 days), but are sealed with a guarantee of the new creation (8th day).
Thus why we do not look back (sabbath Saturday), but instead look forward (ressurection Sunday) to the day we will be ressurected w/ Christ and receive our inheritance.
I will spoon feed you real slow
Below in Romans 9:6-8 you see (TWO) Israel's presented, the Israel of the flesh (Ethnic Jews) they are not the children of God, ya get it
Then down there in (Blue) it states (The Children Of The Promise) That's Israel The (Church)
Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed!
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Below in Romans 9:6-8 you see (TWO) Israel's presented, the Israel of the flesh (Ethnic Jews) they are not the children of God, ya get it
Then down there in (Blue) it states (The Children Of The Promise) That's Israel The (Church)
Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed!
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Jesus Christ observed a Sabbath of Grace and Well doing, hanging out with the boys in a corn feast, healing the sick, and the Pharisees were looking to kill him for that?
It appears your looking at the Pharisees Sabbath as impossible?
Luke 6:1-11KJV
1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;
4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
6 And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.
7 And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.
8 But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth.
9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
10 And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
11 And they were filled with madness; and communed one with another what they might do to Jesus.
It appears your looking at the Pharisees Sabbath as impossible?
Luke 6:1-11KJV
1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;
4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
6 And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.
7 And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.
8 But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth.
9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
10 And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
11 And they were filled with madness; and communed one with another what they might do to Jesus.
The sabbath is actually Saturday, most people don't know this, Exodus 20; 9 tells us that the seventh day is the sabbath and we should not work on that day. The seventh day is Saturday, for Sunday is the first day of the week, we all know that Jesus resurrected on Sunday. Jesus is our ultimate role model and He kept the sabbath on Saturday. He is also Lord of the sabbath, meaning Saturday is also the Lord's day and not Sunday. The change of worship from Saturday to Sunday was made by Constantine in the year 321. He was a pagan king that became Christian and since the pagans worshipped the Sun he made Sun-day the day of rest. Just because he wanted to keep pagans and Christians happy. But Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it or keep it. He also says, If you love me keep my commandments. The sabbath is a commandment. Sin is the transgression of the law of God. The only laws that were nailed to the cross were the ceremonial and sacrificial laws. Like the killing of the lamb, Jesus is the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. The ceremonial law had some days that were called sabbaths cause they couldn't do any work on those days and they could be on any day of the week. Most of the Christian world agree that they cannot kill, still, commit adultery, they keep all the commandments except the fourth, but James tells us that if we break a commandment we are guilty of all. Jesus came and died because the commandments couldn't be broken, and to show us that we can keep the commandments, but not on our own strength but with His help, for without Him we can do nothing, but with Him all things are possible! The bible says in Hosea 4; 6 that my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. The law doesn't save us because salvation is only found in Jesus Christ. But the law is like a mirror that shows us if our face is dirty. The law shows us our sins and the blood of Christ cleanse us from our sins, therefore we cannot have one without the other, the law and God go hand in hand for the law is the character of Christ. If you want to discuss this in more detail let me know, I have many bible verses to prove this..God bless you...so go ahead and work on Sunday, you are not sinning...
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Thought Questions
1. But isn’t the Sabbath for the Jews only?
No. Jesus said, “The Sabbath was made for man” (Mark 2:27). It is not for the Jews only, but for mankind—all men and women everywhere. The Jewish nation did not even exist until 2,500 years after the Sabbath was made.
2. Isn’t Acts 20:7–12 proof that the disciples kept Sunday as a holy day?
According to the Bible, each day begins at sundown and ends at the next sundown (Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31; Leviticus 23:32) and the dark part of the day comes first. So Sabbath begins Friday night at sundown and ends Saturday night at sundown. This meeting discussed in Acts 20 was held on the dark part of Sunday, or on what we now call Saturday night. It was a Saturday night meeting, and it lasted until midnight. Paul was on a farewell tour and knew he would not see these people again (verse 25). No wonder he preached so long! (No regular weekly service would have lasted all night.) Paul was “ready to depart the next day” (verse 7). The breaking of bread has no particular significance here, because they broke bread daily (Acts 2:46). There is no indication in this passage that the first day is holy, nor that these early Christians considered it so. Nor is there any evidence that the Sabbath had been changed. (Incidentally, this meeting is probably mentioned only because of the miracle of raising Eutychus back to life after he fell to his death.) In Ezekiel 46:1, God refers to Sunday as one of the six “working days.”
3. Doesn’t 1 Corinthians 16:1,2 speak of Sunday school offerings?
No. There is no reference here to a public worship meeting. The money was to be laid aside privately at home. Paul was writing to ask the churches in Asia Minor to assist their poverty-stricken brethren in Jerusalem (Romans 15:26–28). These Christians all kept Sabbath holy, so Paul suggested that on Sunday morning, after the Sabbath was over, they put aside something for their needy brethren so it would be on hand when he came. It was to be done privately—in other words, at home. There is no reference here to Sunday as a holy day.
4. But hasn’t time been lost and the days of the week changed since the time of Christ?
No. Scholars and historians agree that although the calendar has changed, the weekly seven-day cycle never has. Therefore, you can be certain that our seventh day is the same seventh day Jesus kept holy!
5. Isn’t John 20:19 the record of the disciples instituting Sunday keeping in honor of the resurrection?
No. The disciples at this time did not believe that the resurrection had taken place. They had met there “for fear of the Jews.” When Jesus appeared in their midst, He rebuked them “because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen” (Mark 16:14). There is no implication that they counted Sunday as a holy day. Only eight texts in the New Testament mention the first day of the week, and none of them implies that it is holy.
6. Doesn’t Colossians 2:14–17 do away with the seventh-day Sabbath?
Not at all. It refers only to the annual, ceremonial sabbaths that were “a shadow of things to come” and not to the seventh-day Sabbath. There were seven yearly holy days, or festivals, in ancient Israel that were also called sabbaths (see Leviticus 23). These were in addition to, or “besides the Sabbaths of the Lord” (Leviticus 23:38), or seventh-day Sabbath. Their main significance was in foreshadowing, or pointing to, the cross and ended at the cross. God’s seventh-day Sabbath was made before Adam’s sin, and therefore could foreshadow nothing about deliverance from sin. That’s why Colossians 2 differentiates and specifically mentions the sabbaths that were “a shadow.”
7. According to Romans 14:5, isn’t the day we keep a matter of personal opinion?
Notice that the whole chapter is on judging one another (verses 4, 10, 13) “over doubtful things” (verse 1). The issue here is not over the seventh-day Sabbath, which is a part of the moral law, but over other religious days. Jewish Christians were judging Gentile Christians for not observing them. Paul is simply saying, “Don’t judge each other. That ceremonial law is no longer binding.”
Thought Questions
1. But isn’t the Sabbath for the Jews only?
No. Jesus said, “The Sabbath was made for man” (Mark 2:27). It is not for the Jews only, but for mankind—all men and women everywhere. The Jewish nation did not even exist until 2,500 years after the Sabbath was made.
2. Isn’t Acts 20:7–12 proof that the disciples kept Sunday as a holy day?
According to the Bible, each day begins at sundown and ends at the next sundown (Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31; Leviticus 23:32) and the dark part of the day comes first. So Sabbath begins Friday night at sundown and ends Saturday night at sundown. This meeting discussed in Acts 20 was held on the dark part of Sunday, or on what we now call Saturday night. It was a Saturday night meeting, and it lasted until midnight. Paul was on a farewell tour and knew he would not see these people again (verse 25). No wonder he preached so long! (No regular weekly service would have lasted all night.) Paul was “ready to depart the next day” (verse 7). The breaking of bread has no particular significance here, because they broke bread daily (Acts 2:46). There is no indication in this passage that the first day is holy, nor that these early Christians considered it so. Nor is there any evidence that the Sabbath had been changed. (Incidentally, this meeting is probably mentioned only because of the miracle of raising Eutychus back to life after he fell to his death.) In Ezekiel 46:1, God refers to Sunday as one of the six “working days.”
3. Doesn’t 1 Corinthians 16:1,2 speak of Sunday school offerings?
No. There is no reference here to a public worship meeting. The money was to be laid aside privately at home. Paul was writing to ask the churches in Asia Minor to assist their poverty-stricken brethren in Jerusalem (Romans 15:26–28). These Christians all kept Sabbath holy, so Paul suggested that on Sunday morning, after the Sabbath was over, they put aside something for their needy brethren so it would be on hand when he came. It was to be done privately—in other words, at home. There is no reference here to Sunday as a holy day.
4. But hasn’t time been lost and the days of the week changed since the time of Christ?
No. Scholars and historians agree that although the calendar has changed, the weekly seven-day cycle never has. Therefore, you can be certain that our seventh day is the same seventh day Jesus kept holy!
5. Isn’t John 20:19 the record of the disciples instituting Sunday keeping in honor of the resurrection?
No. The disciples at this time did not believe that the resurrection had taken place. They had met there “for fear of the Jews.” When Jesus appeared in their midst, He rebuked them “because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen” (Mark 16:14). There is no implication that they counted Sunday as a holy day. Only eight texts in the New Testament mention the first day of the week, and none of them implies that it is holy.
6. Doesn’t Colossians 2:14–17 do away with the seventh-day Sabbath?
Not at all. It refers only to the annual, ceremonial sabbaths that were “a shadow of things to come” and not to the seventh-day Sabbath. There were seven yearly holy days, or festivals, in ancient Israel that were also called sabbaths (see Leviticus 23). These were in addition to, or “besides the Sabbaths of the Lord” (Leviticus 23:38), or seventh-day Sabbath. Their main significance was in foreshadowing, or pointing to, the cross and ended at the cross. God’s seventh-day Sabbath was made before Adam’s sin, and therefore could foreshadow nothing about deliverance from sin. That’s why Colossians 2 differentiates and specifically mentions the sabbaths that were “a shadow.”
7. According to Romans 14:5, isn’t the day we keep a matter of personal opinion?
Notice that the whole chapter is on judging one another (verses 4, 10, 13) “over doubtful things” (verse 1). The issue here is not over the seventh-day Sabbath, which is a part of the moral law, but over other religious days. Jewish Christians were judging Gentile Christians for not observing them. Paul is simply saying, “Don’t judge each other. That ceremonial law is no longer binding.”