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lets see who reads scripture and who does not.

Genesis 17:15
Then God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.

Genesis 17:19
Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him.

Genesis 20:2
Now Abraham said of Sarah his wife, “She is my sister.” And Abimelech king of Gerar sent and took Sarah.

Genesis 23:19
And after this, Abraham buried Sarah his wife in the cave of the field of Machpelah, before Mamre (that is, Hebron) in the land of Canaan.

Now who is the one who does not read scripture? Do yuo want to continue to show how little scripture you actually know?
Genesis 20:11-13King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said unto her, This is thy kindness which thou shalt shew unto me; at every place whither we shall come, say of me, He is my brother.
 
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lets see who reads scripture and who does not.

Now who is the one who does not read scripture? Do yuo want to continue to show how little scripture you actually know?
I will post it once more for your ignorance...
Genesis 20:11-13King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said unto her, This is thy kindness which thou shalt shew unto me; at every place whither we shall come, say of me, He is my brother.
 
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Acts 8 first gentile....
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

The Samaritans were not considered Jews....and the gospel was preached to them before Acts 10...

Acts 8:25King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
acts 15 what law
 
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No, actually he was correct as Abraham was deceptive about his wife so as to save his own skin....maybe you should actually study the bible so as to open your eyes.....!
are you making Father Abraham a liar too??...you guys are too much...
Genesis 20:11-13King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said unto her, This is thy kindness which thou shalt shew unto me; at every place whither we shall come, say of me, He is my brother.
 
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I don't know what you have with the law ...we are not under the law...I showed you Acts 10 was not the first gentile...you will not admit your error...you keep going back to law ..........when Christ died salvation became available to all men......
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
 
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adam ware are you.
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification.
 
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I don't know what you have with the law ...we are not under the law...I showed you Acts 10 was not the first gentile...you will not admit your error...you keep going back to law ..........when Christ died salvation became available to all men......
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
that is three questions.....what you fail to realize is ...only the person who is doing the repenting and God would know if they really repented.... Ephesians 4:28
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

bro notice the order that these things happen and the word spoken......if you wish to follow your false doctrine that is your choice...

Acts 2:37-41King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

[SUP]40 [/SUP]And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

your quote

acts 15 repent of what/ the law of moses, when was a gentile given this law.

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

 
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acts 15 repent of what/ the law of moses, when was a gentile given this law.

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

bro when Christ died and was resurrected ...that was the end of the law for righteousness....and God concluded all under sin...so it does not matter what you think about first gentile or last gentile Jew or who...God is not seeing that....all he is seeing now is sinners and saints...so your questions are baseless concerning the law...one must repent of all evil .....not a law
 
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bro when Christ died and was resurrected ...that was the end of the law for righteousness....and God concluded all under sin...so it does not matter what you think about first gentile or last gentile Jew or who...God is not seeing that....all he is seeing now is sinners and saints...so your questions are baseless concerning the law...one must repent of all evil .....not a law
who are you kidding, make up your mind. act 10 or act 2
acts 15 what law are you to repent of.
there is your proof to you, your tell gentile to become jewish.

6 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.1

repent of what law to believe in jesus christ. acts 10 who told a gentile the law of moses,

so must have came after 1500 ad bible in print
 
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bro when Christ died and was resurrected ...that was the end of the law for righteousness....and God concluded all under sin...so it does not matter what you think about first gentile or last gentile Jew or who...God is not seeing that....all he is seeing now is sinners and saints...so your questions are baseless concerning the law...one must repent of all evil .....not a law

tell that to all who are being punished in jail for breaking the law of the land, ask the jailer who put there law, in place, because god gave the jewish people the law of moses. (food for thought. )
 
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who are you kidding, make up your mind. act 10 or act 2
acts 15 what law are you to repent of.
there is your proof to you, your tell gentile to become jewish.

6 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.1

repent of what law to believe in jesus christ. acts 10 who told a gentile the law of moses,

so must have came after 1500 ad bible in print
Amen and I agree...the problem is simple..."Nobirth" believes into water and works and as long as he is in that state he will not be able to understand the truth about biblical salvation as the word of God is spiritual in origin and the natural man cannot receive, know and or spiritually discern the word of God as it takes actually being born again from above to be able to understand the truth......!
 
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Amen and I agree...the problem is simple..."Nobirth" believes into water and works and as long as he is in that state he will not be able to understand the truth about biblical salvation as the word of God is spiritual in origin and the natural man cannot receive, know and or spiritually discern the word of God as it takes actually being born again from above to be able to understand the truth......!
repent believe, believe repent, or believe.
believing is the key to everyone, and still get a free gift of gods grace. (all christains)
the religious taboos and dogmas, are just repeats, to what the writers, of the books of the new testament had to deal with with each church or group.ie this stops them finding truth or a deeper relationship to god. ie tangled up with am i a jew, what law is jewish, but i am a gentile , what have i to do. etc paul in gal explained etc
 

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your joking right? You can not be talking about Abrahams wife!! If you think she was his sister. you are in deeper trouble than I thought biblically.
Gen 20:12
Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife.
 

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Gen 20:12
Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife.
If I merry My aunt daughter, then my aunt become my mother in law
If hospital want to fill an register paper to know my son history of cancer, they ask who is my mother in law, I will write her name. ex aunt.
 
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If I merry My aunt daughter, then my aunt become my mother in law
If hospital want to fill an register paper to know my son history of cancer, they ask who is my mother in law, I will write her name. ex aunt.
it does not matter what you write....it does not alter the fact that she is your aunt....if a cat is born in an oven do you call it a bread?
 
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Works and Salvation .......through Christ alone!

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

[video=youtube_share;P74xeS2rU14]http://youtu.be/P74xeS2rU14[/video]
 
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Re: Works and Salvation .......through Christ alone!

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

the word says faith alone is dead.....[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
 
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May be this post will work. I just think that if we are children of God we would use our works to show our faith. As we are called to walk in newness of life. Romans 6:1-4 say it all for me on that. Grace is a freely given gift by God to a people who are unworthy in our current state to be saved by any other means. But if we are to show the world our faith than it also says in James 2:26 (KJV) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 
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tell that to all who are being punished in jail for breaking the law of the land, ask the jailer who put there law, in place, because god gave the jewish people the law of moses. (food for thought. )
the more you post is the more you expose your ignorance....
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
 
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May be this post will work. I just think that if we are children of God we would use our works to show our faith. As we are called to walk in newness of life. Romans 6:1-4 say it all for me on that. Grace is a freely given gift by God to a people who are unworthy in our current state to be saved by any other means. But if we are to show the world our faith than it also says in James 2:26 (KJV) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
and the scripture is clear....we are saved by grace through faith.......faith without works is dead....if one is saved by grace through faith then that faith must have works in order that they be saved...else that faith is alone and therefore dead and cannot save...
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17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.