Works and Salvation
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You need to read verses 6 and 7 together. 1 John 1:6-7 - IF we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But IF we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Walking in darkness is descriptive of lost unbelievers. Walking in the light is descriptive of saved believers. Only saved believers are in the light. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. 2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? Lost unbelievers walk in darkness, not in the light. Genuine saved believers walk in the light, not in darkness. IF confirms these positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other. There is no third camp of saved believers walking in darkness or lost unbelievers walking in the light.
That statement is so idiotic as to defy description.
I repeat that it takes the Holy Spirit to be in Christ and to have Christ in you. That is right from the word of Jesus.
Your theology is man made and really insane. I use the term insane in the traditional fashion of loony.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I repeat that it takes the Holy Spirit to be in Christ and to have Christ in you. That is right from the word of Jesus.
Your theology is man made and really insane. I use the term insane in the traditional fashion of loony.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
But the point I was making is one must be "in Christ" and it takes obedience to be in Christ.
Acts 5:31-33King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.
K
I do not reject those verses, but I do believe works work hand and hand with faith when it comes to salvation.
Works show prof that one is saved. Without works you show a dead faith that does not lead to salvation. Even our Lord showed what a believer in Him would do, and the works that would follow. If those things are not part of ones life then they are not saved, because they do not have true faith in the Lord.
Being perfect that the bible speaks of is about walking in love;
Matthew 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:39
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
If you walk in love, which is not hard to do, then you will obey all that the Lord told you to do. You will be perfect as He is perfect, because He came to show us His love for us while we were still sinners and without God's grace. We were grafted in because of our belief in Him, and He says we will stay in that grace as long as we continue in His goodness.
Romans 11:19-22
Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
Works show prof that one is saved. Without works you show a dead faith that does not lead to salvation. Even our Lord showed what a believer in Him would do, and the works that would follow. If those things are not part of ones life then they are not saved, because they do not have true faith in the Lord.
Being perfect that the bible speaks of is about walking in love;
Matthew 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:39
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
If you walk in love, which is not hard to do, then you will obey all that the Lord told you to do. You will be perfect as He is perfect, because He came to show us His love for us while we were still sinners and without God's grace. We were grafted in because of our belief in Him, and He says we will stay in that grace as long as we continue in His goodness.
Romans 11:19-22
Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
[h=1]Genesis 20:11-13King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]11 [/SUP]And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said unto her, This is thy kindness which thou shalt shew unto me; at every place whither we shall come, say of me, He is my brother.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father's house, that I said unto her, This is thy kindness which thou shalt shew unto me; at every place whither we shall come, say of me, He is my brother.
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lets see who reads scripture and who does not.
Genesis 17:15
Then God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.
Genesis 17:19
Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him.
Genesis 20:2
Now Abraham said of Sarah his wife, “She is my sister.” And Abimelech king of Gerar sent and took Sarah.
Genesis 23:19
And after this, Abraham buried Sarah his wife in the cave of the field of Machpelah, before Mamre (that is, Hebron) in the land of Canaan.
Now who is the one who does not read scripture? Do yuo want to continue to show how little scripture you actually know?
Genesis 17:15
Then God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.
Genesis 17:19
Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him.
Genesis 20:2
Now Abraham said of Sarah his wife, “She is my sister.” And Abimelech king of Gerar sent and took Sarah.
Genesis 23:19
And after this, Abraham buried Sarah his wife in the cave of the field of Machpelah, before Mamre (that is, Hebron) in the land of Canaan.
Now who is the one who does not read scripture? Do yuo want to continue to show how little scripture you actually know?
If Christian walking in the light, then no need forgiveness. Forgiveness is only happen is christian fall, and not always walking in the light.
What do you mean walking in the light. Are the group of Vatican core leader who doing gang rape walking in the light?
Alberto Rivera in the 60'S make testimony every where that this kind of activity happen every years. No body believe then, not till caught in 2012.
Brother, you better think twice, the rule maker doing horrible thing like this, do you still believe what kind of law they produce?
What do you mean walking in the light. Are the group of Vatican core leader who doing gang rape walking in the light?
Alberto Rivera in the 60'S make testimony every where that this kind of activity happen every years. No body believe then, not till caught in 2012.
Brother, you better think twice, the rule maker doing horrible thing like this, do you still believe what kind of law they produce?