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The BIBLE dose not say shall not perish, The BIBLE says SHOULD not perish,, AND there is A world of difference in them, even from being saved to LOST. YOU need to get A BIBLE that TELLS YOU THE TRUTH, IT could even mean life
“He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

Pretty straight forward stuff right there. If you believe in Jesus you are not condemned. It doesn’t get any simpler than that.
 
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Then it looks like you’re not going to heaven because you’re still a sinner. And if you say you’re not, then you’re calling God a liar.
YES I have SINED But that don't mean that i am still sinning, And yes if I do not give up my sins there is no Doubt, I know if I keep on willfully sinning THE BIBLE DOSE SAY THAT I WILL be destroyed, And I have no problem with that, THE BIBLE SAYS IT THAT SATTLES IT FOR ALL OF US. no matter what we believe, the BIBLE is CORRECT
 
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Because you have a presupposition already in place ,your drawn to every verse that LOOKS like its talking about losing salvation. Check the context .
THE BIBLE AGREE ALL THE WAY THROUGH< WHAT ONE VERSE SAYS IS what the rest of the BIBLE says, IF it don't then we are wrong, and I hope you learn that
 
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YES I have SINED But that don't mean that i am still sinning, And yes if I do not give up my sins there is no Doubt, I know if I keep on willfully sinning THE BIBLE DOSE SAY THAT I WILL be destroyed, And I have no problem with that, THE BIBLE SAYS IT THAT SATTLES IT FOR ALL OF US. no matter what we believe, the BIBLE is CORRECT
So you think you’re maintaining your potential losable salvation by not committing willful sin. What’s the difference between willful and non-willful sin?
 
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“He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

Pretty straight forward stuff right there. If you believe in Jesus you are not condemned. It doesn’t get any simpler than that.
And that is why JESUS TELLS US UNLESS WE REPENT WE WILL perish, LIKE I said the BIBLE all HAST TO LINE UP, YOU can not take one verse and under stand what GOD is saying
 
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And that is why JESUS TELLS US UNLESS WE REPENT WE WILL perish, LIKE I said the BIBLE all HAST TO LINE UP, YOU can not take one verse and under stand what GOD is saying
You’re taking Jesus’ words out of context. He was speaking to non-believers. On another note, Jesus teaches us to say the Lord’s prayer which has a confession of sins within it. Praying to God does not maintain our salvation, it helps keep us focused and humble.

And you’re right, the Bible has to correctly line up, and thankfully it does. It points directly to Jesus Christ and our being saved by having faith in Him.
 
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You’re taking Jesus’ words out of context. He was speaking to non-believers. On another note, Jesus teaches us to say the Lord’s prayer which has a confession of sins within it. Praying to God does not maintain our salvation, it helps keep us focused and humble.

And you’re right, the Bible has to correctly line up, and thankfully it does. It points directly to Jesus Christ and our being saved by having faith in Him.
THE way you believe will lead a lot of people to the lake of fire. BECAUSE they think they can keep sinning and and go to heaven , when it's a lie of Satan's. just like Satan lied to Eve.
 

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.You will know the brethren by their fruit. No fruit, into the fire.
 
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THE way you believe will lead a lot of people to the lake of fire. BECAUSE they think they can keep sinning and and go to heaven , when it's a lie of Satan's. just like Satan lied to Eve.
Unfortunately the truth is it is exactly the opposite of what you speak. You shut out the kingdom of heaven against others. You don’t go in yourself nor do you let others enter.

I strongly suggest you read Luke 15 and 18. You represent yourself to be the rich man and the Pharisee in those two parables, constantly looking upon yourself as being righteous.

My righteousness is that which Jesus places upon me. It’s all about Jesus. I pray you learn that before your time comes.
 
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Unfortunately the truth is it is exactly the opposite of what you speak. You shut out the kingdom of heaven against others. You don’t go in yourself nor do you let others enter.

I strongly suggest you read Luke 15 and 18. You represent yourself to be the rich man and the Pharisee in those two parables, constantly looking upon yourself as being righteous.

My righteousness is that which Jesus places upon me. It’s all about Jesus. I pray you learn that before your time comes.
NO I JUST GIVE YOU THE scripture that CONDERDICT WHAT YOU want to believe, And the same happen to JESUS,
And BELIEVE THAT I have BEEN one OF the worse sinners like Paul says,
 
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NO I JUST GIVE YOU THE scripture that CONDERDICT WHAT YOU want to believe, And the same happen to JESUS,
And BELIEVE THAT I have BEEN one OF the worse sinners like Paul says,
Why is it you’re so focused on one scripture rather than taking the words directly from Jesus’s mouth regarding salvation through having faith in Him? Actually I know why; you’re focused on yourself rather than Jesus Christ.
 

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having faith thhat theguilt of our transgressions will not be remembered nor held against us.
I believe our transgressions forgiven if we repent.
Without repent no forgive.
The nature of God want us to be Holy. He want us to be like a Him.
 

JaumeJ

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Who here on CC refuses to perform works?
My post relates directly to the two above it. It is simply the truth.. No one here has indicated people here do or do not bear fruit.. Sorry if it sounded so.
 

JaumeJ

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So if he is committing sins that means he is lost
It is not yet given to the saints to judge to condemnations.

I always have in ming to extend mercy and forgiveness lest I lose it..

Also, God has declared that if it is His will to justify the ungodly, so what!? I take that as another warning not to judge.

When we see a brother sin, and we advise hi against what he has done, and he repent, he is in the grace of Yeshua..

Let us not get into judging individualsw for this privilege had not been handed over.
 

Jackson123

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Keep reading principle .
11And such WERE some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are SANCTIFIED , but ye are JUSTIFIED in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

The context is about going to law against your brother on matters that should be able to be judged amongst one another. Instead some were going to the lost . The ones who were not the best to Judge. Being all those things listed in 6.9 .
I am not quit understand what you try to say

Are you try to say people that do sin on that list (6-9) go to heaven?
 

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No that would be salvation by works. Jesus not only dealt with those sins under the old covenant, but he also paid for and redeemed ALL sins :
The Messiah died for all sin.

His death was once, for all. He doesn't need to die again. It is finished.



...but the work of "mediation" and "cleansing of a guilty conscience" with His blood is a separate work that happens in time, one person at a time. This is why we needed an immortal High Priest. Can't cleanse the guilty consciences of believers not yet born, you know? The believer's conscience doesn't exist to cleanse until the believer exists. And cleansing doesn't begin until the believer confesses. So we needed a pure priest who lives for a LONGGG time.

If all cleansing of all believers (for all time) happened at the moment of His death we wouldn't currently need a High Priest with an indestructible life, but Hebrews specifically points out this unique quality that makes all the difference.

Hebrews 7:16 [brackets mine]
who has been constituted [as priest] not according to a law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an indestructible life.

The power of salvation isn't found in faith in Messiah's death, but in faith in His sinless blood that cleanses. Faith in His life. Our faith is supposed to be in what He's doing for us now in heaven and in our hearts.

Comparatively, works-based salvation would be me believing I can somehow cleanse myself of my sin guilty by doing good works or obeying the law. Again, I need the Messiah for that.

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Maybe this example will help:

Let's say you bought a house that hasn't been lived in for years and years. And no one has kept it maintained in all that time so the dirt and filth has mounted room to room.

You buy the house and spend a week cleaning every room...and at the end of the week you look at the house and conclude that "all filth has been cleaned from my new home", which is true, so you furnish the house and move in.

But question: Was this the only time you'll ever clean your new home...or will you work to keep your home maintained, cleaning it weekly, monthly, and/or seasonally? What if a spill occurs or someone makes a mess in a specific room? Will you leave the mess or will you clean it up?

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It's TRUE that when we were dead in our sins through faith in the Messiah we were forgiven of all of them that we committed...but unless we somehow instantly became perfect we were bound to stumble and sin again in the future, which is why we are told to go boldly to the throne in our time of need and confess the sin to keep ourselves clean. The Messiah does the rest.

Then when we're clean again we do our best not to sin, to obey, and to do good.
 

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“He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

Pretty straight forward stuff right there. If you believe in Jesus you are not condemned. It doesn’t get any simpler than that.
Believe and His teaching save. AnHis teaching is to Love God and other not murder

1 John 4:20
“If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?”
So believe Jesus as God but not love Him and other not save