Your God kills people

[MadebyHim]

So it's a fact that the Christian God who is Jesus, kills people (Or lets say for the sake of the argument) has killed people.

God has killed millions, and not just evil people (Animals, children & infants both male and female)

How is this acceptable?

God is the Almighty Creator and He can do whatever He wants with His creation. If He needs to wipe out wickedness so righteousness can shine, then so be it.

 

[blue_ladybug]

It is a pun off of "let us pray".

Lettuce Pray, LOL.

I don't get it.

It's a lettuce

ROTFL.

 

[trofimus]

Um, what? How do you figure?

When you have limited resources of food etc, you cant add new creatures without any end. Thats why death was in the original design of the planet.

Imagine Australia with rabbits that do not die, ever. And reproduce without any limit.

 

[PennEd]

You just have to read the bible.

I bring charges against belief, not fact.

So why not state the real reason you came here for? You don't believe there is a God. And if you don't believe there is a God, then how can He be responsible for killing people?

Of course you're wrong on both counts, but it's the duplicitous nature that reveals your true motive.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Don't feed the troll...

 

[trofimus]

Why cant we just respond to the topic without investigating the motives, beliefs, talking about trolling, banning or simply being arrogant?

This is what I do not like on the CC.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Because he's obviously here to spread discourse and try to convince us that God kills people just because..

Why cant we just respond to the topic without investigating the motives, beliefs, talking about trolling, banning or simply being arrogant?

This is what I do not like on the CC.

 

[PennEd]

Let me get this right in my head, you actually know Jesus holds the keys to life and death? Or do you just believe this to be so?

[FONT=&quot]11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Yes. We actually KNOW that Jesus holds the keys to life and death.[/FONT]

 

[paradoxdown]

Where is your hope? In what or whom is it placed?

I don't know why I feel I need to answer this, but it does irritate me to no end when people inquire about my beliefs. Especially when they're only concerned about proselytizing their own.

My hopes, fears and beliefs are not about a saving force or person who I think communicates with me personally.

I'd like to work out the meaning to existence in a calm and rational way, without starting a holy war over g(G)ods.

 

[paradoxdown]

You've got the wrong idea. Mankind is already condemned. As soon as sin, being opposed to God's will, came about through rebellion it was then that we chose our own path. God doesn't have to kill anyone, we chose death. It is because we chose death that God has offered us life, through Jesus Christ.

Remember what John says of Jesus? He didn't come to condemn the world, but save it. Why didn't God come to condemn the world? They are already condemned, His ultimatum of choose Him or die, isn't one of oppression but of saving grace. You are either staying on the road of condemnation or you are on the narrow path to life that God offers through Jesus Christ.

God isn't a tyrant, He isn't evil. He is Love, itself. To top it all off, He loves you and all the world. He wishes that all be saved. However, thats not going to happen. Why? Not all believe. That is what God has required for salvation. Not good works, or being perfect in and of yourself through some concept of morality but simply by faith in Jesus Christ. Believing that He paid the penalty for your sin, death, and rose from the dead to justify you before God. You then after believing would be saved by grace through faith in the Son of God, who was slain for the sins of the world.

Its yours for the taking. What say ye?

Not to repeat myself, but this stuff you believe? Sin nature, salvation is not something that can be proven, other than what the bible says (And thats unconfirmed history)

 

[paradoxdown]

In your view are there absolutes? I believe God to be an absolute. He does not lie; He has given us His Word in written form and through the testimony of His only begotten Son, Who walked this world two thousand years ago, and poured out His life unto death out of His great love for us, fulfilling hundreds of prophecies concerning His first coming in so doing. If you sincerely seek the Truth you will find it embodied in Jesus Christ, Who has promised to reveal Himself to those who diligently seek Him... of course being non believers and rejecting the reality of God, in that state it is not God we are looking for in our heart of hearts, but the meaning and purpose of life... however you wrap it up, the Truth is found in Jesus Christ. When you experience the living God, if you belong to Him, you will know it. Many present day believers previously thought the Bible to be just another dusty antiquated useless old book full of fables and tall tales for the faint of heart, until they were born again of the Spirit of God, Who opened their eyes to the Truth of His eternal Word. Do you have any spiritual beliefs, or feelings toward Jesus Christ?

If you approach the bible with honest scrutiny, you will find that it's not so perfect.

It's not about God not lying.

It's about humans who think that, because they believe God is found in the words of a book.

 

[paradoxdown]

Paradoxdown,

Your question reminds me of this event in Luke 13 (something I found while on my quest to try to figure out answers to the very same things you are asking):

Luke 13:1-5 -- At that time, some people came and reported to Him (Jesus) about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. And Jesus responded to them, "Do you think these Galileans were more sinful than all Galileans because they suffered these things? No, I tell you, but unless you repent, you will all perish as well! Or those 18 the tower in Siloam fell on and killed--do you think they were more sinful than all the people who live in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all perish as well!"

In other words... Even when God was here in the flesh, among human beings in the form of Jesus Christ, He still did not directly answer your question... which I know, is neither comforting nor satisfying, nor does it, in our human minds, appear to be "right".

People have been asking, from the beginning of their existence, "Why does God let innocent people die, and even seem to kill them on purpose? How could a supposedly good, let alone perfect God, do such a horrible, evil thing?" One of our fears is that we don't want to believe it could ever happen to us (especially since we believe we serve God), or to anyone we love. We don't want to believe some random, or worst of all, God-directed, or even permitted, event could cause pain or loss in our lives.

Therefore, we either like to believe the person whom it happened to did something wrong... Or else God Himself is doing something wrong. Humans don't like it when we don't have supposedly clear explanations that exclude us from being in danger of suffering.

But even when God was here on the earth, the answer seemed to be the same: "I'm not giving you an answer. The most important thing is that you put your focus on repentance and Me as your Savior."

Unfortunately, this side of heaven, that appears to be the only answer we will ever receive to such questions.

I've found something that's even more intriguing is the reason as to why people even ask these questions. I've read about many atheists (I'm not saying you're an atheist, I'm just using this as an example, and I'm sorry if I missed what you said you believe in--or not--in one of your posts) who became that way because they saw a parent die because of cancer, lost a child, went through abusive households, etc.

In other words, they felt God had let them down and/or had done something evil, and because of that, they saw no reason to believe in Him.

I'm just curious, what's your reason? There is always a reason, and usually a deep hurt, behind someone stating and/or asking the things you're asking. What's yours?

Is it the fact that He seemingly doesn't, and won't, directly answer what you see as being simple questions you believe you should have an answer to?

I don't think it's sensible to decide on a faith and belief system before I have adequate answers, such answers must come first so that they wouldn't preclude my decision.

 

[breno785au]

I don't know why I feel I need to answer this, but it does irritate me to no end when people inquire about my beliefs. Especially when they're only concerned about proselytizing their own.

My hopes, fears and beliefs are not about a saving force or person who I think communicates with me personally.

I'd like to work out the meaning to existence in a calm and rational way, without starting a holy war over g(G)ods.

Proselytising? Lol come off it mate, what do you think you're doing on this thread?

 

[HEIsRiSen]

This reminds me of the Jews that rejected Jesus. I think it's funny when I see people try and challenge God or intimidate him with their actions and speech. God is not a respecter of persons and He sure doesn't respect the worldly, biased opinion of somebody who is opposed to Him and has never known Him. The Jews wanted a warrior to come and wage war against evil, not realizing that they themselves had become wicked. When Jesus, their Savior as well as ours, came in peace they were disappointed and sought to kill him. Jesus could have called down 72,000 angels from heaven and He chose forgiveness and grace over wrath. That is the God I worship and He is only good. Yet people try to attain a relationship with God through some kind of human understanding. It doesn't quite work that way. God doesn't have to kill anybody, people do a enough of a job of killing each other and themselves nowadays unfortunately.

 

[paradoxdown]

God is the Almighty Creator and He can do whatever He wants with His creation. If He needs to wipe out wickedness so righteousness can shine, then so be it.

They say we are made up of alot of virus dna, I guess viruses are pretty bad.

 

[paradoxdown]

It is a pun off of "let us pray".

Thank you, that was bugging me.

 

[paradoxdown]

So why not state the real reason you came here for? You don't believe there is a God. And if you don't believe there is a God, then how can He be responsible for killing people?

Of course you're wrong on both counts, but it's the duplicitous nature that reveals your true motive.

One thing is true, none of you know what I do and do not believe.

In whole and part.

 

[Adstar]

So it's a fact that the Christian God who is Jesus, kills people (Or lets say for the sake of the argument) has killed people.

God has killed millions, and not just evil people (Animals, children & infants both male and female)

How is this acceptable?

Because all people have sin and thus are not perfect.. Would it not be an evil thing to allow a human to live forever as an imperfect being ??? What a curse that would be.. Our current state of being must come to an end for us to be resurrected and transformed into Perfect beings.. Then we can exist forever and never die again as perfect beings

I will be glad when God ends my life... I am sick and tired of not being a perfect being..

 

[paradoxdown]

Proselytising? Lol come off it mate, what do you think you're doing on this thread?

I lost my post.

:S

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Hebrews 9:27 "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment"

Whether you die of natural causes, of if one of us here take your life, youre going to die. The day is coming and we cant change it. Doesnt matter how it happened.

If you were to die today, and you knew the next thing that was coming was judgment for your entire life, every single thing youve done or thought, what do you think would happen to you? And keep in mind a good deed does not undo an evil deed. If I murder someone but then donate a bunch of money to charity, do I deserve to get away with murder?

The good news is that He has provided a way for us to be saved from our sins, and to live with Him forever. Is this really such an evil thing? Yes God punishes the wicked, and He also provided His own sacrifice to save them from the wrath that is coming to them, not because they deserved it, but because He loved them enough that He did it despite the fact that they have all denied Him and rebelled against Him.

Is this still evil? Though if you havre already made up your mind to deny Him then we know your answer : p