Your God kills people

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South_FLA said:
That's what I don't understand.. Why did God continue to create people for thousands of years after Adam and Eve if that really wasn't his plan? Why are we cursed for something we didn't do?
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God had foreknowledge that Adam and Eve would become sabotaged by the enticing deception that satan used upon them.. Adam and Eve did have the opportunity to believe God and reject satan's enticement.. Just because God foreknew What choice they would make does not mean God forced them to make it.. Of course God knew that humanity would have to have many generations for Gods plan to be worked out so that God could Redeem His creation in a just way.. Remember God also has to defeat the satanic challenge in a Just way in front of the Heavenly Host.... 2/3rds of the Angels will be won over to God whilst 1/3rd are with satan..

PS: It is irrelevant that we did not play a part in the initial deception.. We have inherited the curse.. So we need to be justly Redeemed as well..
 
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Ariel82 said:
During Jesus earthly ministry, He killed no one. He healed many, brought Lazarus back to life. He died for the salvation of the world. He offers eternal life for those who believe the Gospel.

God doesnt kill people. He allows people a choice and those people chose death instead of life.

The problem with the OP is he doesn't want to accept responsibility for his actions or choices or beliefs. Add that to the belief that the world or God "owes" him anything. Add the ungratefulness of not thanking God for life, the sun, food, ability to get on the internet, etc.

If someone choses to speed on the highway while drunk and crashes. Would you blame the manufacturer of the car?

Your body and life is the car. If you chose to crash it, don't blame the manufacturer.
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This is a perfect example of cognitive dissonance:

"In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress (discomfort) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values; when performing an action that contradicts those beliefs, ideas, and values; and when confronted with new information that contradicts existing."
 
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Every man will face final judgement. I choose to side with the One who might pardon me on that day and write my name in the book of life forever.

Let me ask you something? If a person does not believe in God, what do they believe in? Themselves?
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Maybe, is that so bad?
 
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Every man will face final judgement. I choose to side with the One who might pardon me on that day and write my name in the book of life forever.

Let me ask you something? If a person does not believe in God, what do they believe in? Themselves?

Maybe, is that so bad?
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paradoxdown said:
Maybe, is that so bad?
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Yes it is bad... Trusting in self is trusting in someone who is not perfect... It is better to place ones trust in a Perfect being who cannot make mistakes.
 
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Rondonmon said:
You are correct. Because I am covered by the Blood of Jesus Christ, who is worthy of Life. Its a free gift of great love. He was worthy, and paid my price. The Wages of sin is death.
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Killing someone for your crime's is a greater crime, do you not think?
 
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paradoxdown said:
This is a perfect example of cognitive dissonance:

"In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress (discomfort) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values; when performing an action that contradicts those beliefs, ideas, and values; and when confronted with new information that contradicts existing."
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So you are experiencing cognitive dissonance? You never answered the question.

If someone choses to speed on the highway while drunk and crashes. Would you blame the manufacturer of the car?
 
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Killing someone for your crime's is a greater crime, do you not think?
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The Gospel is that God sacrificed HIS life to save those who did or would murder HIM. Agape love.
 
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God had foreknowledge that Adam and Eve would become sabotaged by the enticing deception that satan used upon them.. Adam and Eve did have the opportunity to believe God and reject satan's enticement.. Just because God foreknew What choice they would make does not mean God forced them to make it.. Of course God knew that humanity would have to have many generations for Gods plan to be worked out so that God could Redeem His creation in a just way.. Remember God also has to defeat the satanic challenge in a Just way in front of the Heavenly Host.... 2/3rds of the Angels will be won over to God whilst 1/3rd are with satan..

PS: It is irrelevant that we did not play a part in the initial deception.. We have inherited the curse.. So we need to be justly Redeemed as well..
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So than it really was his plan. Because if it was not his plan, he could've just wiped out Adam and Eve and the devil, and let humans live in a sin-free world, meaning he could've just gotten rid of sin altogether after what Adam and Eve did.
 
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paradoxdown said:
Killing someone for your crime's is a greater crime, do you not think?
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Jesus and God are One... Jesus is God.. So how can God kill Jesus ??

Jesus willingly gave His life.. He laid it down.. Those that carried out the execution did so by their own free will.. But their rebellion against God ended up playing a part in the Victory of God.. God is Awesome.. to use the evil intentions of those that hate His will to bring about His greatest Victory..
 
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Well since you want to attack God and tell us why we are so stupid for believing such a foolish thing, please let us know the superior view that causes so much good that it gives you the right to judge anyone at all, let alone God. Are you suggesting an atheistic philosophy has led to more good? Less death? Also what is your proof that what you believe is true? Please share with us your vast wisdom.
 
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God is not a dictator, He gave man freewill and man chooses to do as he sees fit and chooses either salvation or condemnation. There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ.

It seems to me FLA as if you are asking why God didn't kill Adam and Eve and start over again. God creates people because people want children and children are a blessing. God isn't going around knocking up women that want kids. He created us in His image, we have the ability to create life but only He can give life. Yes God is the creator and He uses His creation to multiply both man and animal, even the smallest organism and the greatest mammals.

Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply the earth. Sadly in all this creation, we still have the ability to take life too and that was demonstrated soon after when Cain killed Abel :( It all goes back to free will, God isn't going to force himself on us. God isn't killing people, people are killing people. Abortion, wars, racism, social unrest. The devil is killing people through people just as he planned, that wicked serpent will have his day of reckoning soon enough. Praise God for sending us a ransom in Jesus, so that we may be free and armored against the arrows of the devil. We are more than conquerors through Christ.

The same people who say they don't believe in God are so quick to point their finger and the sky and say that He did this to us or let this happen to us. Well, I am here to say that it doesn't have to happen to ANYBODY any longer!

Nowadays man has become his own god, self serving and doing abominable and detestable things in the sight of the Lord, why does satan get no blame for any of this? He is the one who came to steal, kill and destroy. Man did this to himself, not as an individual, but as a whole, and yet we can be saved by God's grace provided through the works of Jesus and the cross and His resurrection.

I leave you with something to ponder on, if a person doesn't know Jesus, God doesn't even know them. Give yourself to Jesus. Jesus is the way we are revealed to God for He said himself:

Matthew 11
[SUP]27 [/SUP]All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Those who come to Jesus are no longer hidden from the Father, for they are revealed by Jesus and then we become those who are hidden with Christ in God. Colossians 3:3
 
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South_FLA said:
So than it really was his plan. Because if it was not his plan, he could've just wiped out Adam and Eve and the devil, and let humans live in a sin-free world, meaning he could've just gotten rid of sin altogether after what Adam and Eve did.
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If God had wiped out Adam and Eve and satan then what would the Heavenly Hoist of Angels then think???????

Would they willingly follow God and think God was Justified to be the One and only God of all existence??

Or would they submit to Gods rule simply because of His power to wipe them out if they dare question His Authority??

God wants to win people and the Angels over to the truth that God can be the only God and that He is not only a God of ultimate power but also a God of perfect Love and all Wisdom... The only thing God would have proven to the heavenly Host if He wiped out Adam and Eve and satan was that satan managed to sabotage Gods Creation beyond repair/ Redemption and that God would have been just a brutal dictator that they would only submit to out of fear of His power to destroy... Do you think a perfect God wants His creation to follow Him out of terror?

You know God is out to Redeem Adam and Eve too :)
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
Unless it was correct from the start? Since were talking in terms of an existing God here, ask yourself, if God is an eternal being who knew all that would happen before it even happened, why would He need to improve what He told us?
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Because the translations you depend on for your spiritual insight, have changed in there language over thousands of years it was copied.
 
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paradoxdown said:
Maybe, is that so bad?
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Well if you believe in your self, and I disagree with you and am also bigger and can physically force my will on you, what would make me wrong to do so? If there is no God then you are right and all we have is opinion, my opinion is not better than yours, nor is yours better than mine, no right, no wrong, just opinion. You see no problem coming from this? Is the world today not a clear enough example?
 
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paradoxdown said:
So it's a fact that the Christian God who is Jesus, kills people (Or lets say for the sake of the argument) has killed people.

God has killed millions, and not just evil people (Animals, children & infants both male and female)

How is this acceptable?
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First i will say that i dont know everything or understand everything but i will do my best to help you understand thru guidance of the Holy Spirit in what God has revealed to us in His Word.

Before we try to answer this question of yours there are first a couple questions for you. (I appologize but i didnt read all the posts so you might have answered them already).
1. Do you believe in a Sovereign God who created everything and controls everything?

2. Do you believe Jesus died and rose from the dead that you may have eternal life if you give your life to Him and have faith in Him?

To begin to try and answer your question it is important to know your answer to these questions. This will give an idea of "why" you ask and how to answer that you might begin to understand a bit as we can only know what God has revealed to us in His creation and His Word. We cannot fully know "why" but we can learn what He has revealed to us.
 
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paradoxdown said:
Because the translations you depend on for your spiritual insight, have changed in there language over thousands of years it was copied.
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We depend on the Holy Spirit. So your point is moot.
 
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paradoxdown said:
Who am I? I'm someone who has a brain to think.

Let's see God act like that in this day and age, and we'll see who ends up questioning who.
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Hello Sir.
May I ask why you came here?
I have respect for those with all different beliefs,
But that respect ends when they come to trash someone's religion and don't respect others religion or belief.
I certainly hope that is not what you came to do, as that is how it seems.
 
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