YOUR SINS ARE NOT BEING RECORDED

Grace777x70 · Mar 22, 2016

I say thank God that He is the one that grants us repentance which means to change our thinking from living our own way and turning to our Father and Lord through Jesus's finished work and depending on Him by grace through faith alone..

Acts 11:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, ( this is their repentance ) who was I that I could stand in God's way?"

[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

Acts 20:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] solemnly testifying to both Jews and Greeks of repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

2 Timothy 2:25 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,

ladylynn · Mar 23, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

It is an awesome thing that once we learn a truth from God it keeps showing up through out the Bible. GRACE is how God deals with us now. He is ALWAYS faithful to us even when we have not always been faithful to Him. How is this possible without making a mockery of God?

This is what people like Popeye ask here. It's because of Jesus and His IMPUTING His righteousness on those who have received Him. And by faith we walk in the grace freely given. We are being called to walk IN the gift Jesus died to give us. To not even think it is due to our goodness.

A believer is learning all along the way and is listening to the Holy Spirit. It takes time to learn and God gives us grace to learn in. We learn how to recognize the voice of the Holy Spirit. And in the mean time as we are learning, our faith in the finished work of Christ is what sustains us all through our lives.

As humans who have been getting a regular diet of man made religion, we find it impossible to take freely from God because we have not earned it. Religion continually gets our eyes off of Jesus and on to our own works for Jesus. Religion has it backwards.

When we learn how to see Jesus first and His faithfulness it is only then we can walk and have the fruits of the Spirit show out in our lives. We are crucified with Christ but we live., yet not us but Christ lives in and through us...and the life we now live we live by the FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD WHO LOVED US AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR US.

We live by the FAITH of the Son of God... the Author and Finisher of our faith. Who has become our wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption.

That is awesome. And it does not allow for mockery of any kind because Jesus has become our life. It all ties together when Grace is allowed to flow.

popeye · Mar 23, 2016

I despise legalism. I hate it with a passion,and it is as if I can smell it a mile off.

This is the dispensation of grace. Gifting. A rest from the OT judgement.

It is a wonderful time. A time of miracles,restoration,prosperity,and God's favor.

I remember my old life and the despair,confusion,futility. Then, later,divorce and thoughts of suicide.

He met me there. My mother and her friends prayed me in. I never "came to my senses" ,repented,and AFTER THAT,prayed for salvation.

Nope

HE MET ME AFTER DRIVING ME INTO A CHURCH.

I was driven. I had to go there,not knowing why. My mind was saying " I have to get there"

I remember it like it was yesterday. He met me there. He came to me.

That is why I identify so heavily with the prodigal.

We was not a tare. A tare was never a wheat. He mixed sin with his inheritance.
He repented as a son,not a sinner. But he chose bondage as a son.

He "came to his senses" after ruination as a son.

This,to me speaks against you guy's theory that a son can not sin.

I do not believe that there is a record of my past sins in heaven. That is ridiculous . I do know there is sin,vile sin,in the church,and God does not say oh that's ok,that's ok,just look to the blood while you have a good time.

That would be someone's advice to the prodigal,as believers,or sons,do not sin.

Judgment begins with the house of God.
We are judged as believers in this life. The unprofitable servant (son) is dealt with in the next life.

Guess what. It ain't pretty.

FreeNChrist · Mar 23, 2016

popeye said:

I despise legalism. I hate it with a passion,and it is as if I can smell it a mile off.

This is the dispensation of grace. Gifting. A rest from the OT judgement.

It is a wonderful time. A time of miracles,restoration,prosperity,and God's favor.

I remember my old life and the despair,confusion,futility. Then, later,divorce and thoughts of suicide.

He met me there. My mother and her friends prayed me in. I never "came to my senses" ,repented,and AFTER THAT,prayed for salvation.

Nope

HE MET ME AFTER DRIVING ME INTO A CHURCH.

I was driven. I had to go there,not knowing why. My mind was saying " I have to get there"

I remember it like it was yesterday. He met me there. He came to me.

That is why I identify so heavily with the prodigal.

We was not a tare. A tare was never a wheat. He mixed sin with his inheritance.
He repented as a son,not a sinner. But he chose bondage as a son.

He "came to his senses" after ruination as a son.

This,to me speaks against you guy's theory that a son can not sin.

I do not believe that there is a record of my past sins in heaven. That is ridiculous . I do know there is sin,vile sin,in the church,and God does not say oh that's ok,that's ok,just look to the blood while you have a good time.

That would be someone's advice to the prodigal,as believers,or sons,do not sin.

Judgment begins with the house of God.
We are judged as believers in this life. The unprofitable servant (son) is dealt with in the next life.

Guess what. It ain't pretty.

It sounds like you are taking what you are experiencing in your own life with those who lack proper understanding of grace and projecting that onto folks here. If you just need to vent, that's fine. But don't do it by charging us with the guilt of others.

ladylynn · Mar 23, 2016

popeye said:

Hey Grandpa, I get what you are saying. But His ways go far above and beyond ours. The Prodigal son was miserable and was coming back not because he had this amazing love for his father. He came back because he saw how the servants of his dad's house ate better than he did with those pigs. He didn't have the stupidity along with the pride like before., he was hungry and wanted to be let in even as a servant. (btw, who said we don't sin??)

The Father saw him coming 'afar off' and his Father hiked up His robes and met the son part of the way. The Father was the hero here not the prodigal. The prodigal had a speech ready to say to the Father about how unworthy he was and yada yada yada.... But the Father didn't even wait for that. He just called for the best robes and the fatted calf.

The Father didn't say...." ok, before you get this robe and good food, let's deal with the facts of your disobedience you hard headed guilty sinner of a son!! I NEED to make sure you don't think you can do this to me again!!!." Wack! wack! wack!

Jesus died for our judgment,punishment, guilt and shame. The judgment you write about here is not talking about God's house in this dispensation of grace. We have already been judged IN the body of Christ on the cross and are no longer guilty Grandpa.

Jesus took the wrath, judgment, guilt, condemnation we deserved and paid for it 100%. We are sons and will not be judged again. That would say that Jesus death was not enough. That would mean double jeopardy in legal terms. Payment HAD TO BE MADE and Jesus paid.

Jesus called the temple where the money changers were doing their buying and selling "His Father's house."
We are no longer servants but we ARE sometimes STUPID sons. But God loves us now IN Christ and we have His righteousness imputed onto us. We have the Holy Spirit to teach not to sin and how to learn how to walk as the sons we are IN Christ.

I'm a prodigal daughter and my story is much like you described about the depression and divorce stuff. But then like the prodigal, I found out the Father loved me and gave me the robe and the fatted calf and welcomed me home. I've never looked back. Isn't it the love of God that constrains us? Isn't it knowing how much He loves us unconditionally that keeps us following the Good Shepherd? And He doesn't drive the sheep, He leads them. He doesn't beat the sheep with His rod and staff, His rod to protect and His staff to guide and they comfort us.

Religion has it all wrong. Jesus already took on the anger and wrath God has for our sin upon Himself when we received Him and became born again.

ladylynn · Mar 23, 2016

OOOPPPPs Popeye!!! Got your name mixed up with Grandpa's. Sorry bout that. I was talking to you Popeye.

tourist · Mar 23, 2016

FreeNChrist said:

I agree.

At the moment forgiveness is asked for with a contrite heart and a desire to live a spiritual life drawing closer to God the sins are no longer remembered. Even then you may suffer guilt and anxiety and talk to God about it but He will just scratch His head and wonder what you are worried about. He will then put your mind at rest and give you peace of mind and joy in your heart.

God doesn't keep score.

Grace777x70 · Mar 23, 2016

popeye said:

That's a great testimony of the Father's love for you in that way. Thank you for telling us about it.

My way was different - I had no "prodigal son" moment ..I was not in trouble at all...but I was not reading my bible or praying very much and definitely in the world and doing my own thing. I was fed up with the religious world and frustrated as I couldn't live this "Christian life"...the legalists were preaching to just stop doing stuff...but there was no power or life in it.

...just one morning the Lord started speaking to me and giving me scriptures...this lasted for a few months and in the meantime I never went to church....but then I looked at stuff on the internet and sure enough the Lord by the holy Spirit had given me the grace of Christ only message and that was when I heard others preaching about it.

That 1 Peter 4 scripture you referenced about Judgment begins at the house of God is a wonderful scripture for us believers!

The scripture in 1Peter about judgment in the house of God must come first is a beautiful promise of the sealing of God's people off before judgment comes.

1 Peter 4:17-18 (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

[SUP]18 [/SUP] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Peter was the apostle to the Hebrews...It is a hebraism ( expression ) from Ezekiel 9:4-6 in which they had set aside the jewish elders and marked them before judgment came..these ones were saved from the judgment....

In other words we get protected/marked by the Spirit of God before judgment comes ..but judgment starts at the house of God first by us being "marked"...that's the sign that judgment is coming to the ungodly as 1 Peter 4:17-18 says.

It's awesome!! it's a beautiful picture of us being sealed by the Holy Spirit..

We have a good, good Father! and a mighty salvation in Jesus our Lord!

PeterJens · Mar 23, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

This is such a non-answer.

The will of God is to walk in love, righteousness, purity and holiness. But I am continually told this is impossible, which is why we need future sins forgiven, because the expectation of walking in a worthy manner is not possible, so there has to be some way to cover this failure. Jesus's imputed righteousness.

But walking in the will of God is a conscious choice, exercising desire, direction, truth and love.

But then I am condemned as a works based christian if I talk like this. This is why such language is confusing and contradictatory.

ladylynn · Mar 23, 2016

PeterJens said:

This is such a non-answer.

The will of God is to walk in love, righteousness, purity and holiness. We could not do this will of God to walk in love since we are not righteous or pure or holy... so God sent His Son and Jesus gave us His righteousness so we could walk that way. Apart from Jesus righteousness given to us, we can do nothing. We are no good apart from Christ.

But I am continually told this is impossible, What is impossible is apart from Christ's righteousness given to us, we cannot do anything in a worthy manner. All "our" righteousness's are as dirty old rags.

which is why we need future sins forgiven, because the expectation of walking in a worthy manner is not possible, so there has to be some way to cover this failure. Jesus's imputed righteousness.

Because Christ has given us the gift of His righteousness, we are now children of light who are not of the night but of the day. No longer sinners but saints and sons. So all our sins are forgiven as far as the east is from the west.

God no longer holds our sins against us because Jesus paid for them all on the cross. (Jesus received our imputed sin from Adam and we received Jesus righteousness.)

But walking in the will of God is a conscious choice, exercising desire, direction, truth and love.

If someone doesn't have the Spirit they are not His. But we have the Holy Spirit and no longer need the schoolmaster called the law. We have been given a new heart and a new nature and new laws called the "law of faith and the law of love".,we can now respond to the Holy Spirit and the Bible. "Here in is love, not that we loved God but that He loved us and gave His Son for us." It's our desire to want to follow Him because His love has been shed abroad in our hearts.

But then I am condemned as a works based christian if I talk like this. This is why such language is confusing and contradictatory.

Not sure what you mean about being condemned as a works based Christian. If you believe that Jesus is the only way to God apart from any good works we humans think we can do. It's by grace we are saved through faith,and that not of ourselves it is a gift of God not of works so no one can boast. We are His workmanship created IN Christ Jesus UNTO good works.

The Bible says we shall know the truth and the truth will set us free.

ladylynn · Mar 24, 2016

FreeNChrist said:

It is an amazing thing to see so many believers of the same mind here. Reading these posts it's obvious that the teaching of love and grace has been heard and taken in by individual believers.

Even though we are from different parts of the world. We don't even know one another and yet we see Jesus and the gospel of grace and truth He brought. We are new covenant Christians and in unity. A rare thing in the past fellowships I've been part of., but now more and more prevalent these days...even here on CC.

JGIG · Mar 24, 2016

phil112 said:

It does read "according to their works (or deeds)", not "according to their sins", yes? And because it reads that way these verses can also still be true:

12

For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.” (from Jer. 31 and Heb. 8)

18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. (from 1 Cor. 5)

The ONLY thing which determines whether or not one enters into the Kingdom is whether or not one is in Christ.

-JGIG

JGIG · Mar 24, 2016

ladylynn said:

It is an amazing thing to see so many believers of the same mind here. Reading these posts it's obvious that the teaching of love and grace has been heard and taken in by individual believers.

Even though we are from different parts of the world. We don't even know one another and yet we see Jesus and the gospel of grace and truth He brought. We are new covenant Christians and in unity. A rare thing in the past fellowships I've been part of., but now more and more prevalent these days...even here on CC.

Yes! I was just thinking the same thing \

/!

-JGIG

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 24, 2016

JGIG said:

That's true, but those who are not doing GOD's will are not walking in Christ and therefore not abiding in Christ.

JGIG · Mar 24, 2016

JGIG said:

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

"That's true, but . . . "

The will of God is this: That we believe on the One He has sent and love one another (see Jn. 6:28-29 and 1 Jn. 3:23-24).

It's that simple.

You do work so very hard to disqualify people from the simplicity of the Gospel. It's the most curious thing!

-JGIG

coby · Mar 24, 2016

Your sins are not recorded if you repent.
Last night I dreamt God was angry and like He sent me to hell, His wrath and fear of the Lord, it was not funny. I was too lazy to pray the night before and that was not the only time. It's such sin if you know that all those lovely people who don't know their right from their left hand could go to hell, but you just sleep and don't do warfare and intercession for them. It's like the Germans in WWII: Wir haben es nicht gewusst.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 24, 2016

JGIG said:

Hopefully my witness will help to keep people from becoming, or who have been, snared by false-grace teachings and being disqualified from inheriting eternal life.

Grace777x70 · Mar 24, 2016

Context is king when viewing all scripture.....scripture must be compared with other scripture - or you can make the bible say anything you want....

Notice that in Matt 7:19-23..Jesus said "I never knew you "...these people were not believers.....everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....

Jesus never said that " He once knew them...but He NEVER knew them at all "

John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world

Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.

1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being lead by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. we walk them out as we life our lives dependent on Him.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8[/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

ladylynn · Mar 24, 2016

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Re: YOUR SINS ARE NOT BEING RECORDED

Originally Posted by JGIG

You do work so very hard to disqualify people from the simplicity of the Gospel. It's the most curious thing!

Hopefully my witness will help to keep people from becoming, or who have been, snared by false-grace teachings and being disqualified from inheriting eternal life.

Where is that picture of the guy with his hand over his head in frustration??????

Grace777x70 · Mar 24, 2016

I have found at least 7 things about doing the will of God on this earth now that we are in Christ.

1) That we have eternal life in Christ - John 6:40

2) That we be filled with the Holy Spirit - Eph 5:16-21

3) That we live a pure, disciplined lifestyle - 1 Thess 4:3-4 ( we live out that holiness that is already in us in our new man ..created in Christ in righteousness and holiness )

4) That we are rejoicing in the Lord, praying without ceasing, and grateful - 1 Thess 5:16-18

5) That we be a law-abiding citizen - 1 Peter 2:13-16

6) That we believe and influence others to believe - 2 Peter 3:9

7) That we commit ourselves to God and other believers - 2 Cor 8:5

According to the works-based salvationists...if someone is not joyful one day or didn't pray for a couple of days...or was not grateful for a day or so and they died..then they would go to hell because they didn't do " the will of God"..( see #4 above )....how foolish this nonsense is by itself, when you don't factor in the finished work of Christ.

What about #5 above...if you speed and crash your car and die..you go to hell because you were not doing " the will of God"...again the complete foolishness of people that say not doing all the will of God are not saved - without factoring in the finished work of our Lord Jesus for He is our salvation.

The "doing of the will of God" for salvation is to believe on Christ and it is by grace through faith only - no works. Eph 2:8-9

The saint who rests in Christ and in His finished work is the will of God and what appears to be his free choices are actually God's will for him. It's loving God because you know His love for you, doing what is inside of you under His influence. Phil 2:13

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