Y'shua DID NOT die on a Friday!

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shroom2

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Avinu said:
This is called assumption, you have absolutely no proof, nor does scripture indicate this. It doesn't work that way. We know Yeshua died, it says so, but it doesn't say Jonah died, nor when the fish spit him on the beach, does it say he came back to life. If that were the case it would have said so.
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I believe scripture does indicate it.

Matt 12:40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

We know Jesus was dead. Jesus was "as" Jonah". Therefore it can be concluded Jonah was dead.

I admit could be wrong on this, but I do not think so.
 
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Avinu

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I believe scripture does indicate it.

Matt 12:40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

We know Jesus was dead. Jesus was "as" Jonah". Therefore it can be concluded Jonah was dead.

I admit could be wrong on this, but I do not think so.
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Again assumption, the specification here is 3 days and 3 nights. That's it. Nothing else, doesn't say nothing else. To say it says anything else is adding to the word and making assumption. It cannot be concluded that Jonah was dead because it doesn't say he was.
 
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shroom2

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Avinu said:
Again assumption, the specification here is 3 days and 3 nights. That's it. Nothing else, doesn't say nothing else. To say it says anything else is adding to the word and making assumption. It cannot be concluded that Jonah was dead because it doesn't say he was.
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Again, I admit could be wrong on this, but I do not think so.
 
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SantoSubito

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shroom2 said:
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth

"It may mean this or it could mean that". Sheesh.

Just read what it says.
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Like i said in my previous post that simply doesn't work. Three days and nights would make it where Christ rose on the fourth day, and not the third. It's much more reasonable to interpret it as a type of a resurrection of Christ, so Christs stay in the Earth will be like Jonah in the whale, but not exactly like it. Besides I think it's established clearly enough by Mark 16:9 that Christ rose on Sunday.
 
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SantoSubito said:
Like i said in my previous post that simply doesn't work. Three days and nights would make it where Christ rose on the fourth day, and not the third. It's much more reasonable to interpret it as a type of a resurrection of Christ, so Christs stay in the Earth will be like Jonah in the whale, but not exactly like it. Besides I think it's established clearly enough by Mark 16:9 that Christ rose on Sunday.
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Are you listening to yourself? You will be hard pressed to encounter someone who counts days as you are counting them or who will say that the Word means four days when it says "three days and three nights." Love and think in Jesus Christ. God bless you in Jesus Christ, amen.
 
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SantoSubito

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JaumeJ said:
Are you listening to yourself? You will be hard pressed to encounter someone who counts days as you are counting them or who will say that the Word means four days when it says "three days and three nights." Love and think in Jesus Christ. God bless you in Jesus Christ, amen.
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By definition if Christ was in the Earth three days and three nights he would have had to rise on the fourth day. Note I'm not advocating a fourth day resurrection, I'm simply pointing out it's ridiculous to consider "three days and nights" literally as three 24 hour periods.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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SantoSubito said:
By definition if Christ was in the Earth three days and three nights he would have had to rise on the fourth day. Note I'm not advocating a fourth day resurrection, I'm simply pointing out it's ridiculous to consider "three days and nights" literally as three 24 hour periods.
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Agree here. Scripture states Christ rose on the third day, NOT the third night. so either scripture contradicts itself. or scripture got it wrong when it said third day, and not third night, or fourth day. there is no denying it.
 
JaumeJ

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I believe it is time everyone passing time talking about points of time, calendars, and just who is right should praise God. Blessed be Jesus Christ, Yeshua, amen.
 
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Does it really matter? I mean come on! People are dying everyday, sickness, financial problems, homeless people, kids being abused, etc, etc. I don't care if it was Wednesday He died on and Friday or Saturday He rose on! The fact is, He Died for "us" and He Rose again for "us"! We need to share that and bring people to Him so He can sve them too!
 
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1 Peter 3:18-19
18) For Messiah also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to YHVH, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
19) by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison.

This is what is believed to be what Yeshua did during His 3 days, and nights in the belly of the earth.
 
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Mrdll said:
Does it really matter? I mean come on! People are dying everyday, sickness, financial problems, homeless people, kids being abused, etc, etc. I don't care if it was Wednesday He died on and Friday or Saturday He rose on! The fact is, He Died for "us" and He Rose again for "us"! We need to share that and bring people to Him so He can sve them too!
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Rubber meets road :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Mrdll said:
Does it really matter? I mean come on! People are dying everyday, sickness, financial problems, homeless people, kids being abused, etc, etc. I don't care if it was Wednesday He died on and Friday or Saturday He rose on! The fact is, He Died for "us" and He Rose again for "us"! We need to share that and bring people to Him so He can sve them too!
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What you see is religion at its worse. Everyone has to be right, and God forbid anyone believe different. Satan has used this tactic to split Gods people since the begining. he is not going to stop because we refuse to resist his tactics.

There is one doctrine which is not negotiable, and which is to be held by everyone, that is the way to heaven. But pidly stuff like this, Satan loves to strive discontent on these things.
 
peacefulbeliever

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I agree that Jesus was crucified on the 14th of Nisan - #1 it would line up with the original Passover in the OT therefore fulfilling the law.
 
JaumeJ

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peacefulbeliever said:
I agree that Jesus was crucified on the 14th of Nisan - #1 it would line up with the original Passover in the OT therefore fulfilling the law.
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Here is the deal, no one is exactly sure which Nisan it was, because no one even knows with certainty the year our Savior was crucified. They are only able to use facts available, and I am afraid those facts are variable depending on which year what occurred. Bottom line, don't come together for contention, it is not the Way.l In Jesus Christ always..........amen
 
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shroom2

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Avinu said:
1 Peter 3:18-19
18) For Messiah also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to YHVH, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
19) by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison.

This is what is believed to be what Yeshua did during His 3 days, and nights in the belly of the earth.
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He didn't do anything for three days and three nights. He was dead.

He preached to the spirits in prison after he was resurrected late Saturday.
 
Avinu

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He didn't do anything for three days and three nights. He was dead.

He preached to the spirits in prison after he was resurrected late Saturday.
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And where does it say this in scripture? And curious, why are you so adament of Him being dead? If you saw what the verses says, He is dead in the flesh, not in Spirit.
 
WomanLovesTX

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Does it really matter? I mean come on! People are dying everyday, sickness, financial problems, homeless people, kids being abused, etc, etc. I don't care if it was Wednesday He died on and Friday or Saturday He rose on! The fact is, He Died for "us" and He Rose again for "us"! We need to share that and bring people to Him so He can sve them too!
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You say you don't care. Hmm. Does this mean that studying the Word is irrelevant to you? All the "people dying everyday, sickness, financial problems, homeless people, kids being abused, etc." is a reality that is happening, and has been happening for ever. These things will always be with us until Y'shua returns. And this is your excuse for not caring what the Word says?

Not just for you, but other readers as well, this is what the Word says and the reason it is important is because Yah (God) is not a liar but many denominations are leading the sheep into a lie and consequentially, much like yourself, a feeling of apathy toward the truths and a justification of not caring about the truth that is in the Word, but perhaps caring just enough to allow the paid and trained in seminary/theology lead the sheep into untruths. The truth is what sets us free spiritually. Knowing the truth keeps me repulsed at the lie of a Good Friday and an Easter celebration. These have absolutely nothing to do with our LORD and are abominations to Him.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

What Christ have you received? The Christ that couldn't fulfill prophecy perfectly? Or Yah's Salvation (that is what Yahushua means) who fulfilled prophecy 100%?

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Luk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

Y'SHUA'S WORDS ARE VERY IMPORTANT! Yah's 7 Appointments are very important if you are not to be caught unaware of His return. Even if it is not in our lifetime, teach the younger generation the truth so that day will not come upon them unaware. Stop perpetuating the lie of an Easter and something less than Holy and Perfect and wholly not Y'shua (Jesus Christ the Messiah).

Seriously, if you are observing a Christ that is not the One who fulfilled All the Word, then what Christ are you observing?
 
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SantoSubito

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eternally-gratefull said:
Agree here. Scripture states Christ rose on the third day, NOT the third night. so either scripture contradicts itself. or scripture got it wrong when it said third day, and not third night, or fourth day. there is no denying it.
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I think I'm being misunderstood here. Christ rose on the third day and I've advocated that from the start, I brought up the "three day and three nights" thing because some here insist that Friday to Sunday is not three days. As far as I can tell you and me are on the same page for once.
 
JaumeJ

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WomanLovesTX said:
You say you don't care. Hmm. Does this mean that studying the Word is irrelevant to you? All the "people dying everyday, sickness, financial problems, homeless people, kids being abused, etc." is a reality that is happening, and has been happening for ever. These things will always be with us until Y'shua returns. And this is your excuse for not caring what the Word says?

Not just for you, but other readers as well, this is what the Word says and the reason it is important is because Yah (God) is not a liar but many denominations are leading the sheep into a lie and consequentially, much like yourself, a feeling of apathy toward the truths and a justification of not caring about the truth that is in the Word, but perhaps caring just enough to allow the paid and trained in seminary/theology lead the sheep into untruths. The truth is what sets us free spiritually. Knowing the truth keeps me repulsed at the lie of a Good Friday and an Easter celebration. These have absolutely nothing to do with our LORD and are abominations to Him.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

What Christ have you received? The Christ that couldn't fulfill prophecy perfectly? Or Yah's Salvation (that is what Yahushua means) who fulfilled prophecy 100%?

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Luk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

Y'SHUA'S WORDS ARE VERY IMPORTANT! Yah's 7 Appointments are very important if you are not to be caught unaware of His return. Even if it is not in our lifetime, teach the younger generation the truth so that day will not come upon them unaware. Stop perpetuating the lie of an Easter and something less than Holy and Perfect and wholly not Y'shua (Jesus Christ the Messiah).

Seriously, if you are observing a Christ that is not the One who fulfilled All the Word, then what Christ are you observing?
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First when I answered your POLL to the best of my knowledge, instead of understanding that was my knowledge of the question, you asked me to look up the definition of creten. Now you are telling a person who simply wants no contention that he is not paying attention to Christ's words because you KNOW the exact day and hour He died on the cross. You are stating this person's knowledge is not up to a good beleiver's standard because he does not go along with you. I will not type in Hebrew, but I will transliterate, "ma at rotzet?" You did ask a question and you polled it, yet when anyone shares what they know you accuse or simply imply a name called, such as looking up the word, creten. All of the law is completed in LOVE, ask yourself why you have asked this question, and polled it. Do you love the body of Christ. Yes, I do call Him Yeshua. Please, when you ask a question, allow the answer to be heard and UNDERSTOOD, otherwise it is like a dog barking in the streets.
 
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