Bad Housekeeper,Grounds for Divorce?

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I'm not a neat nick but I do expect my son to pick up after himself and help me around the house when I ask. He does it without hesitation because he likes to be with me. We have fun. The step kids I had acted like you were removing their liver if you asked them to run the garbage out. In the fact the older one would often just tell me to eff off and would use the real word. They'd complain about ruined childhoods if they were asked to clean their rooms. Mom just turned a blind eye. No follow thru....no accountability. She is raising good little takers.
Ruined childhoods, oh that is awful. I'm glad my ex teaches his kids to clean up. They're gradually doing better with me. Told them they have to learn it otherwise you get a lot of trouble when you're married later.
 
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#42
Its not technically (biblically) grounds for divorce, but its tough living with a slob.
You should just not call someone a slob.
My ex used to say: My wife loves to vacuum clean and she loves to clean up. She is so neat and tidy.
Then: I'm speaking things into existence hahahahahahaha.
 
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Hi,

The neat and tidy ....or ....the let it fall and walk over it, hmmm makes life so interesting as you go from place to place ,

I know when I worked for the NZR new zealand railways , I was in charge of repaires to all house,s good sheds and all buildings with in 80 miles . so I saw it all .

Some house,s you could eat off the floor was just spotless, and an other you climbed over ..... just to get inside ,

Myself I,m quite fussy and tidy from age 10 on yes I worked in places that were pure muck and others were so clean , on a Friday I made sure every thing was left clean and tidy for start on monday morning building sites or were ever the job was ,

Well it was good tradesman practice , so I just did it ,

At home Jos and I we had our three children lost our 4th one two lads and one girl and yes they played with their toys and at the time for their sleep it was every thing away though in one large house we had a sun room and that was left for them and toys stayed there ,

Jos was very house proud and keeped up with it most times and yes I helped as well as doing other jobs around the house and while redoing the house and new rooms I built plus sheds and redid the roof , one comment is about a storm we had and the day before we had the new Kitchen under repairs all nice and clean and in the morning it was a total mess wet dust and muck.. so I said to Jos just leave it and I,ll clean it all up , I never expected Jos to clean up after myself Jos had enough with other detail ,

Oh and by the Way Jos was / and she is Lovely >.... Jocelyn ....we... were... to gether for 35 years and have known each other for 42 years ,and we still get on so well even though we are not to gether,

Just in case some may wonder about myself so you know just because I was born different it also gave me oppotunitys to work in the mens domain ,and I enjoyed my building work .

...noeleena...
 
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coby2

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My sister and brother in law recently visited unexpectedly for the first time since I have this apartment. I had just cleaned it all up luckily. So I said: I'm so happy that I don't have a normal house anymore, but this tiny apartment. It's much easier to clean up. Was talking to my sister, brother in law just sat there quietly. All of a sudden he bursts out laughing. Hypothetically speaking you mean? he says. He couldn't stop laughing.
 
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#45
Anything entertaining that you is separate from the responsibilities in life. Whether it's being on the computer or whatever. If those things come before your life's responsibilities then you are escaping from said responsibilities.

yeah...well, I'm not a routine kind of person but it all gets done in the end

I like to mix things up....we talk about our day and how we'll do things...but I guess if someone wants strict perimeters, then that's fine...but I don't believe everyone has to do things a certain way...I would find that far too regimentated

but you know, if that is your thing....who am I ? :)
 
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It's called stewardship. We are commanded to be good stewards. Work before play. God worked 6 days and rested on the 7th.

oh my lands

I would just ..... revolt...LOL!

I guess I just appreciated my husband another notch or two

no offense
 
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Lol lately my ex who now has a new wife was sooooooooo happy. He said: I don't have to do anything. She cleans everything up out of herself. My bathroom is clean. Everything is clean!!! Joked to his sister: well that guy sure is happy after 12 years of suffering hahahahahahaha
Oh you shouldn't say that. Why not? I said I put in my dating profile (was on a dating site a few months back): if you're looking for a virtuous housewife keep looking!

my husband and I have very different backgrounds...we have adjusted to each other...he was more strict and I was and still am (haha) whatever la de dah...relax...be more spontaneous and make things fun...so he decided my side was better LOL!

In fact, he bought me a watch and the face has all the numbers mixed up and some have fallen to the bottom and it says WHATEVER :eek:
 
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#48
well after reading further, I had better state...I don't like a dirty house and I am not a slob...I just don't think the world will end if sometimes things get a little in need of attention
 
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oh my lands

I would just ..... revolt...LOL!

I guess I just appreciated my husband another notch or two

no offense
None taken. I'm not trying to change anyone. I just communicate what works best for me. I've found that a routine helps to clear out my head of all the things that need to be done. If I have unfinished things they cloud my brain and my emotional health suffers. If my stuff is done I can actually enjoy my free time because then, it is really free.
 
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#50
That really sounds like a great family unit you have! That old song "when we all pull together" really is true. Of course Im not talking of a "horders" type home. Just a home that isn't sparkling clean because of children and every day issues. I think you have very much struck the right chord in your home. I really believe that type of attitude is the glue that keeps a family and marriage together.
I don't think there is anything wrong with a hoarders house as long as everyone living in that house finds nothing wrong with it either. Or, if they do, there's a reason it looks like that.

Somewhere in our house are two old a/c window units, an old humidifier, and an old exercise machine. (The exercise machine has become where I hang my overalls to dry, so I'm hard pressed to want that to go. lol) They're still in our house because we don't have the strength to get them out, and the guy willing to get them out (and an old grill in the backyard) wanted us to pay way-too-much money to simply put them out on the sidewalk. We ended up spending the day ripping that old grill up and carrying it out ourselves, but we can't rip up old a/c's or dehumidifiers, so they're still in our house.

Ends up the guy was right about something though. Someone did trash-pick that rusty, torn-to-pieces pile of metal that used to be our grill. Had we known, we probably would have let the guy take the rest out, knowing someone would trash-pick them too.

Our house is past cobweb stage in some spots. (Yes, there is past-cobweb-stage.) We have always maintained "we'll get done what we can get done, and not worry about the rest." Two of us disabled. We couldn't do it all. Now one of us disabled at home while the other is just starting rehab. The house is worse, because of all things I have to deal with, dust is the least of the problems. I've dusted something here and there as needed. I even vacuumed three times in the last five months.

I'm proud of myself. (Now if I can just talk myself into causing more pain by getting down on my hands and knees to clean that blasted tub!)
 
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None taken. I'm not trying to change anyone. I just communicate what works best for me. I've found that a routine helps to clear out my head of all the things that need to be done. If I have unfinished things they cloud my brain and my emotional health suffers. If my stuff is done I can actually enjoy my free time because then, it is really free.

I get that

you have to do what works for you! :eek:
 
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#52
goodness, our children used to fill the whole living room with Playmobile and Lego villages and beg us not to take them down at night.

so after they went to bed Mark would make some comment about Toys-R-Us having exploded in there (;)) as we carefully stepped through the kids' creations. and they would play with them for days...

now, our youngest is 21, the house is always tidy, and we find we miss the mess more than we could have imagined.
The only thing that might stop you from building your own village is how do you get up off the floor, once you get down there? And that's why card tables were invented. lol
 
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#53
Yes veeeeeery annoying.
And a guy who knows his wife is mentally ill and expects her to do all that, while even normal ones don't have to do it alone, lol let him go to counselling so the counsellors can beat him up.
Who are these "normal ones" you speak of?
 
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I get that

you have to do what works for you! :eek:
Accomplishing things will get a person out of a funk no matter who they are. Sometimes you gotta plow thru being tired or feeling unambitious.
 
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Being bad at something and not even trying are two different things. In the case of my ex it was a continual quest to obtain more things not to take care of. All there was was aquisition. If you're buried under stuff you probably have more than you need or more than you are able to maintain.
So she was probably trying to get something ungettable, and substituted it for stuff. It sounds like something big was missing in her life. A connection with someone.
 
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So she was probably trying to get something ungettable, and substituted it for stuff. It sounds like something big was missing in her life. A connection with someone.
Ya...probably. Connection is about shared experiences. Pretty tough to do that when you're sleeping. She never got out of the funk that resulted from her first failed marriage. One thing that I noticed about her family tho was that they were all like that. There was no real joy....it was just buy people crap to show them that you love them and send them on their way. My sense of humor and adventure was judged with a critical eye.
 
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I was buried under kid's toys recently. My brother came over when I was at the office and I came home: 4 bags full of filth and toys from under the couch and everywhere and everything was sparkly clean. He once left a letter saying: you have won the pig of the year cup!
I'm so happy that I'm single. I was exhausted then literally from cleaning up every crumb. Freedom to make one big mess! Yes!!! Kids love it too.
I put up the Christmas tree on the radiator behind his sofa. He has CFS, so when he has to lie down he really HAS to lie down. Because of that, whenever I put up the Christmas tree, I tried to have as few decorations on his sofa as possible, and I didn't dare move his sofa out of the way.

Last Christmas he wasn't home, but I knew he wouldn't want me to give up Christmas, so I put the tree up. And then I moved the sofa. Underneath?
1 Sock! (Ha! Apparently it's not always the dryer that eats them.)
1 comb. (So that's where the comb that goes with the hair cutting machine went.)
Enough vitamins and mineral pills to fill a bottle. (Aha! So, I'm not the only one who drops pills and can't find them. I never saw him drop any!)
Enough dust to fill two dust pans before I got to the point I could vacuum.

I'm now thinking, "How bad is it under the corner part of the sectional? I haven't pulled that out in years. lol

Somewhere along the way, mice found the sock, so it's useless. And the comb? There aren't enough ways to clean it ever to trust using it again. BUT, I cleaned them both and have saved them so he can have the same laugh I had after pulling out the sofa. lol
 
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The way to conquer your stuff is to have a routine. The rewarding things you like to do come after you finish your routine. If the things you have bury you it's because you are living in fear/escape mode.
Or "kids!" Kids is what most people are describing when they're talking about being buried.
 
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yeah...well, I'm not a routine kind of person but it all gets done in the end

I like to mix things up....we talk about our day and how we'll do things...but I guess if someone wants strict perimeters, then that's fine...but I don't believe everyone has to do things a certain way...I would find that far too regimentated

but you know, if that is your thing....who am I ? :)
In the end I got so sick of the fights, I'd ask my ex to put his demands list on the kitchen counter. I'm like: clean up what needs to be cleaned up, but well whatever, it was extreme and it was not messy. He'd get mad if there were 3 toys under the couch. We ate in the park so there wouldn't fall crumbs. Then he had the kids 7 months alone. It doesn't look as organized as it used to anymore and he was exhausted and when I picked them up to be with me he would thank me and he said he was sorry.
Demanding guys have absolutely no idea how much work it is and I was pregnant too and depressed and nuts and I had a job.
 
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Or "kids!" Kids is what most people are describing when they're talking about being buried.

I only have the one kid to deal with. He is such a joy to have around. But I only have him 50% of the time. I wish I had him more tho. I do enjoy my free time tho cuz it allows me to play lots of guitar. Haha.