Defining Homosexuality

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Mitspa

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No, she didn’t. If your reading comprehension was better than that of a fifth grader, you would have understood that.

She said: “King James, who is responsible for your bible full of homophobia, was a homosexual.”

You might want to try going going by what the person actually said as opposed to what somebody else said the person said. Duh.

It’s no wonder why most of you homophobes get so many things wrong.
I can read Greek and how in the world do you explain away these scriptures as if the KJV translated is wrong?

Ro 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
 
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Walid Shoebat is the source of your infinite wisdom? Surprise, surprise.

Not only is Shoebat a fanatic advocate of homophobia, he is just as fond of Islamophobia. Or else he would not have written a book entitled The Case FOR Islamophobia . . .” would he.

Oh, and he’s Catholic. You idolize someone who idolizes Mary? (According to the “Catholic Heresy (for the record)” thread and all those thousands of posts.

You need a new idol. Curly might be available.
 
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I can read Greek and how in the world do you explain away these scriptures as if the KJV translated is wrong?
Is the word "homosexual" in the King James Version?

Hint: No, it's not.

Oh goody, you can read Greek. Please point me to a word in the Septuagint that is the exact equivalent of homosexual/homosexuality.

Former president Jimmy Carter recently said that he believes that Jesus approves of gay marriage. He could be right and you homophobes could be wrong. Jimmy Carter would probably get banned if he posted that on this thread. Lol. I could see banning Obama for saying that. But Jimmy Carter? He's a devout Baptist.
 
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Mitspa

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Is the word "homosexual" in the King James Version?

Hint: No, it's not.

Oh goody, you can read Greek. Please point me to a word in the Septuagint that is the exact equivalent of homosexual/homosexuality.

Former president Jimmy Carter recently said that he believes that Jesus approves of gay marriage. He could be right and you homophobes could be wrong. Jimmy Carter would probably get banned if he posted that on this thread. Lol. I could see banning Obama for saying that. But Jimmy Carter? He's a devout Baptist.
lol what has that got to do with it? Read these scriptures and if you don't see the "word" homosexual that's probably because it was not used until the world started trying to make nice names for sexual perversions.

Ro 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Now you can call it whatever word you want...God calls its an abomination and sin, that those who do such things have a reprobate mind.

 
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You mentioned "Over eating, smoking and drinking to excess are also sins". Okay..who will deny that...BUT...are those specific sins or any other "SIN" so outspoken, so celebrated, so paraded, so given over to be the norm, so sensationalised, so 'out of the closet" and so applauded? NO...name one single person who dances in the streets and tells the world "I am a tax evader" or "I am so proud to be a pediophile" or "I over eat, look at me!" etc. Homo is a deeply seated demonic idea that goes completely against what GOD has ordained for mankind. Of course, a FORMER gay person who has surrendered their life to CHRIST can change, indeed. However, most gays have no thought of changing. They want their "RITES" and believe that GOD made them that way. THis is sad and a lie from satan himself.
 
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Since this was started in the teen room, I'll be brave enough to have the last teen say. Much of this negative chat comes about because of recent decisions in the USA and Ireland to allow gay marriage. In Ireland it was by a landslide democratic vote. Many of you have made your points about how you translate the bible's view of homosexuality. I doubt, after re-stating the same point a million times, theres yet another way you can say the same thing yet again. Whether anyone accepts it or not, you live in a democracy and ideally it should also mean you attempt to live in your society with harmony. I understand well your views on this and that homosexuals will face god's judgement....but when i see some of the hate filled comments here, I cant help thinking that some of you may well find yourself facing the same type of judgement.
 
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Since this was started in the teen room, I'll be brave enough to have the last teen say. Much of this negative chat comes about because of recent decisions in the USA and Ireland to allow gay marriage. In Ireland it was by a landslide democratic vote. Many of you have made your points about how you translate the bible's view of homosexuality. I doubt, after re-stating the same point a million times, theres yet another way you can say the same thing yet again. Whether anyone accepts it or not, you live in a democracy and ideally it should also mean you attempt to live in your society with harmony. I understand well your views on this and that homosexuals will face god's judgement....but when i see some of the hate filled comments here, I cant help thinking that some of you may well find yourself facing the same type of judgement.
So you think those who approve and promote sin are in good shape with God and those who oppose sin are the ones who need to worry? This logic sounds very hatful to me.
 
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So you're an expert on Shoebat, homosexuality, Catholicism, and Islam? I don't think so.

You fully condone sexual immorality but reject genuine Christianity yet ironically defend Islam while mocking Catholicism. That's a lot of bias and prejudice emanating from you.

Personally, I don't idolize anyone except God. Rather, I listen to them and if I find something I believe is worthwhile then I investigate it further. Don't be afraid to try it. Start with Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. You won't be disappointed. Peace.


Walid Shoebat is the source of your infinite wisdom? Surprise, surprise.

Not only is Shoebat a fanatic advocate of homophobia, he is just as fond of Islamophobia. Or else he would not have written a book entitled The Case FOR Islamophobia . . .” would he.

Oh, and he’s Catholic. You idolize someone who idolizes Mary? (According to the “Catholic Heresy (for the record)” thread and all those thousands of posts.

You need a new idol. Curly might be available.
 
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There are various examples in scripture where homosexuality is both explicitly and implicitly condemned as sin. Take 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 or 1 Timothy1:8-10 in which the plural noun aresnokoitai, a term often translated "homosexuals" or "sodomites," occurs.

Paul coined arsenokoitai from Leviticus 20:13 to show which parts of the law of Exodus 20 and Leviticus 18-20 are universal moral standards in contrast to those ceremonial and purity laws that are limited to Israel.

By coining the term, Paul made reference to homosexuality explicit. Other terms were too general (such as porneia) or reflected particular Greek forms of homosexual behavior (such as pederasty). Paul's use of arsenoloitai in 1 Corinthians 6:9 leaves no room for doubt that all forms of homosexual behavior are sinful.

Paul's use of Leviticus 20:13 (and, implicitly, 18:22) affirms that biblical worldview pervaded Paul's thinking. He did not adopt the contemporary Greek or Roman philosophy. A biblical worldview, rather than modern liberationism, should pervade genuine followers of Christ who wish to align correctly with scripture (not to be confused with those who merely profess or the apostate).

He stresses that no Christian church which approves homosexual behavior among its members (let alone allows homosexuals to be ordained) can truthfully prove to embrace and align with an accurate exegesis and authority of Scripture.

He taught that homosexuality contaminates community until discipline occurs, culminating in condemnation with the removal of the offender from the assembly or confession with restoration.

Furthermore, Paul's use of arsenokoitai in 1 Timothy makes homosexual behavior a legitimate target of proscriptive legislation for it is inappropriate for societies to sanction homosexual "gay rights" or validate homosexual marriage. If society validates homosexuality, the karet penalty remains. For its failures in moral leadership, Western society is now open for divine judgment... which has historically resulted in civilization replacement that is well documented by even atheistic modern socio-historians who as early as J.D. Unwin published scholarly studies on this topic.

And as Kyle Butts (M.A. in New Testament studies) explains at apologetics press:

"Jesus did, in fact, speak against homosexuality. On numerous occasions, Jesus condemned the sins of adultery (Matthew 19:18), sexual immorality (Matthew 19:9) and fornication (Matthew 15:19). These terms describe any type of sexual intercourse that is not within the confines of a marriage ordained by God. Jesus then proceeded to define exactly what God views as a morally permissible marriage. He stated:

Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate (Matthew 19:4-6).

By defining marriage as between one male and one female, Jesus effectively condemned all other arrangements, including but not limited to one man and two women, one woman and two men, three men and one woman, three men and three women, one man and one man, one woman and one animal, etc...

When Jesus defined marriage between one man and one woman, He clearly showed that such an arrangement is the only one authorized by God."

I suggest you look beyond Jimmy Carter, Obama, your friends, your feelings, etc... to dispel the ignorance and deception you are presently under so that you can learn the truth and perhaps find salvation yourself.


Is the word "homosexual" in the King James Version?

Hint: No, it's not.

Oh goody, you can read Greek. Please point me to a word in the Septuagint that is the exact equivalent of homosexual/homosexuality.

Former president Jimmy Carter recently said that he believes that Jesus approves of gay marriage. He could be right and you homophobes could be wrong. Jimmy Carter would probably get banned if he posted that on this thread. Lol. I could see banning Obama for saying that. But Jimmy Carter? He's a devout Baptist.
 
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So you think those who approve and promote sin are in good shape with God and those who oppose sin are the ones who need to worry? This logic sounds very hatful to me.
No thats not what I said - I'm pretty sure you know that as well. So I'll leave you to continue to discuss as you have been. I'll leave it to god to judge. I'm sure those who are without sin will be fine.
 
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Jesus never accepted sin, condoned sin, nor compromised with sin. Period. In fact, Jesus opposed sin while preaching repentance for salvation. He came with God's perfect holiness and love seeking to save the lost so they could be spiritually regenerated by the HOLY Spirit as new creations for good works in Christ as godly people living godly lives.

After forgiving someone, he would instruct them to "go and sin no more." But most today in Western Civilization do not want to repent. From these you see those who oppose God's morality and genuine Christians who have been endowed by God Himself with His Holy Spirit and do not accept the immorality of this passing world.

Personally, I receive grace after grace after grace from God because I am repentant not because I reject God's holiness and deceive myself (and others) that leading an immoral "lifestyle" unrepentantly is acceptable to God (despite the progressive corruption of soul, spirit, and personality which results) while opposing anyone that gets in the way. Jesus and the apostles said to repent from that lest you end up in hell.

"As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, 'YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY.'" -1 Peter 1:14.

^ The words occur five times in the Book of Leviticus. God had called the Israelites to be His special people, a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:5, 6). He has called us Christians to be "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people" (1 Peter 2:9). He is holy, in his sight "the heavens are not clean."

We who are God's must strive to be holy, separated from all that is impure, consecrated to Him. Grace is for the repentant sinner, the Christian struggling with sin toward sanctification who has aligned themselves with God. It is not for the unrepentant enemies of God who oppose Him, His holiness, His people, and His Word. If they die in that state, they get the other. They get judgment, and it will be HOLY.


So you think those who approve and promote sin are in good shape with God and those who oppose sin are the ones who need to worry? This logic sounds very hatful to me.
 
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Mitspa

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No thats not what I said - I'm pretty sure you know that as well. So I'll leave you to continue to discuss as you have been. I'll leave it to god to judge. I'm sure those who are without sin will be fine.
Yes those who are humble, receive the grace of God that saves them from sin and overcomes sin...Those who are proud and boast in their sin and approve sin...God resist and will judge.
 
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There are various examples in scripture where homosexuality is both explicitly and implicitly condemned as sin.
Show me a verse in the Old Testament that condemns lesbianism.

And as far as the New Testament goes, show me a verse where Jesus condemned lesbianism.

I saw the link to that article before it got deleted.

Some dude got banned for "Promoting/defending lesbianism" it said?

Wait until Ellen Degeneres finds out about this!
 

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Show me a verse in the Old Testament that condemns lesbianism.

And as far as the New Testament goes, show me a verse where Jesus condemned lesbianism.

I saw the link to that article before it got deleted.

Some dude got banned for "Promoting/defending lesbianism" it said?

Wait until Ellen Degeneres finds out about this!
"Therefore there is now no condemnation to them which are in Jesus Christ..." Romans 8:1

Is the person who is a homosexual or lesbian in Jesus Christ? Then there is no condemnation. I rest my case. Though, I will continue to expound on this. Jesus took all sin at the cross, yes the sin of the world. So when confronting a lesbian, for example, we preach the Gospel, not the Law. We preach Jesus Christ and His finished work. Yes, that person is sinning, and indeed before God condemned without Jesus, but its not so much his sins that he is condemned (think of the cross) but rather his disbelief in Jesus Christ who paid for those sins. The sin is disbelief in Jesus Christ, as it speaks of in John, Jesus says the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin (in the singular) and goes on to speak about them not believing in Him. So, people have sins but the greatest of them all is to not believe in the Lord, because in actuality thats the one that makes the difference in obtaining forgiveness.

Regardless of whether a homosexual or lesbian acknowledges their sexuality to be sinful or not, I am sure they can find other shortcomings within themselves that make them see their need for the Savior, Jesus Christ. Once in Christ, their sin will be dealt with as they are now changed, born again. They are now the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit. They will experience the fruit of the Holy Spirit. In other words, their sexuality will be addressed as they are now the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ, and they will see their actions no longer align with who they now are, effortlessly. There is chastisement, but rather than it being forceful it is a revelation of who we are in Christ, it is growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ and who we are in Him. Their homosexuality, or lesbianism is no barrier for the love of Christ, and His love sets us free from the dominion of sin because we are under grace. They are His just as much as everyone else and to condemn them is to work against the Holy Spirit who draws people to the Gospel.
 
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Show me a verse in the Old Testament that condemns lesbianism.

And as far as the New Testament goes, show me a verse where Jesus condemned lesbianism.

I saw the link to that article before it got deleted.

Some dude got banned for "Promoting/defending lesbianism" it said?

Wait until Ellen Degeneres finds out about this!

Here's verse from the OT which shows that homosexuality was one reason for God destroying Sodom and Gomorrah -

Genesis 19:1-13

The qtwo angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth 2 and said, “My lords, rplease turn aside to your servant’s house and spend the nightsand wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way.” They said, t“No; we will spend the night in the town square.” 3 But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. 5 uAnd they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? vBring them out to us, that we wmay know them.” 6 Lot went out to the men at the entrance, shut the door after him, 7 and said, “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. 8 xBehold, I have two daughters who have not known any man. Let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please. Only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof.” 9 But they said, “Stand back!” And they said, “This fellow ycame to sojourn, and zhe has become the judge! Now we will deal worse with you than with them.” Then they pressed hard against the man Lot, and drew near to break the door down. 10 But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the house with them and shut the door. 11 And they struck with ablindness the men who were at the entrance of the house, both small and great, so that they wore themselves out groping for the door.
12 Then the men said to Lot, “Have you anyone else here? Sons-in-law, sons, daughters, or anyone you have in the city, bbring them out of the place. 13 For we are about to destroy this place, cbecause the outcry against its people has become great before the Lord, and theLord has sent us to destroy it.”

Jude 1:7

just as qSodom and Gomorrah and rthe surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and spursued unnatural desire,4 serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

NT?

Romans 1:26-27
26 For this reason wGod gave them up to xdishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;



27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, ymen committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1 Corinthians 6:9



9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous2 will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: xneither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,3

Now you may say that these verses were not told by Jesus Himself, but the whole Bible is written down by divine inspiration and not by the wisdom of man.

1 Corinthians 2:9-13: "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: ...Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

2 Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

I have no hate for any gay men or women, I love them as I would love anyone else, doesn't matter to me if they are gay or not. But homosexual acts are a sin.


 
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@ D_Anne

I think one of the rules of this site is not to promote things that are ungodly, includes homosexuality. So yes, he will get banned if he doesn't follow the rules of this site. Ellen Degeneres is a great woman, I admire her for the work and help she does for others, but a sin is a sin.
 
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Mitspa

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"Therefore there is now no condemnation to them which are in Jesus Christ..." Romans 8:1

Is the person who is a homosexual or lesbian in Jesus Christ? Then there is no condemnation. I rest my case. Though, I will continue to expound on this. Jesus took all sin at the cross, yes the sin of the world. So when confronting a lesbian, for example, we preach the Gospel, not the Law. We preach Jesus Christ and His finished work. Yes, that person is sinning, and indeed before God condemned without Jesus, but its not so much his sins that he is condemned (think of the cross) but rather his disbelief in Jesus Christ who paid for those sins. The sin is disbelief in Jesus Christ, as it speaks of in John, Jesus says the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin (in the singular) and goes on to speak about them not believing in Him. So, people have sins but the greatest of them all is to not believe in the Lord, because in actuality thats the one that makes the difference in obtaining forgiveness.

Regardless of whether a homosexual or lesbian acknowledges their sexuality to be sinful or not, I am sure they can find other shortcomings within themselves that make them see their need for the Savior, Jesus Christ. Once in Christ, their sin will be dealt with as they are now changed, born again. They are now the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit. They will experience the fruit of the Holy Spirit. In other words, their sexuality will be addressed as they are now the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ, and they will see their actions no longer align with who they now are, effortlessly. There is chastisement, but rather than it being forceful it is a revelation of who we are in Christ, it is growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ and who we are in Him. Their homosexuality, or lesbianism is no barrier for the love of Christ, and His love sets us free from the dominion of sin because we are under grace. They are His just as much as everyone else and to condemn them is to work against the Holy Spirit who draws people to the Gospel.
I agree with your post brother...but we are not talking about sin in general and how God deals with sin in the believer ..we are talking folks making something evil and promoting it as something good and in large part this is being done by those who call themselves "Christians" Or at least that's the points I am trying to make on the issue... And above all sins that are committed by men, this sin is pointed out as the sin that shows those who have passed into a reprobate mind and condition...Its is the sin of Sodom and to ignore that is to ignore how God sees and deals with mankind.

I would also add that we can see on this very thread that young people are being deceived into thinking this is not even a sin and are going against the very truth of God in trying to defend what God condemns.
 
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@ D_Anne

I think one of the rules of this site is not to promote things that are ungodly, includes homosexuality. So yes, he will get banned if he doesn't follow the rules of this site. Ellen Degeneres is a great woman, I admire her for the work and help she does for others, but a sin is a sin.
If the rules of the site are to not promote anything ungodly, why do we allow people who divorce and re-marry (while their ex spouse is still alive) to continue to fellowship on here while justifying the sin of adultery? If that issue were dealt with on the same level as homosexuality, nearly half of straight heterosexual married couples in the church would be condemned to hell if they don't change their ways, reconcile with their true spouses or separate and remain single.

Instead most are silent and plead the grace of Christ -- because otherwise they come face to face with a personal sin from which they have no escape if they wish to remain in a committed relationship with their current spouse. No escape because they made a bad choice the first time around, committed sin the first time around, were abused the first time around, yet "chose" to re-marry someone new out of personal desire, forgiveness, or Christian goals with a more compatible partner.

If one can find an exception clause (not always the case in every divorce), it is clearly only meant to protect the victim of unfaithfulness, and not the perpetrator should that person later repent and return to Christ, only to find their ex-spouse has moved on and married someone else. How is adultery any different from homosexuality in this context? The one we come face to face with every day in our churches, with fellow believers?

Maybe that's a good place to start in learning how to deal with homosexual sinners in love. Because while sexual immorality is clearly a major sin, one that Jesus commanded to "go and sin no more," no such command was given for minor sins. The ones of the mind and heart that we struggle with every day as a result of our fallen condition. If we were truly able to go and sin no more from every sin tendency that affects as us humans, we would be perfect and never sin again. Which is not possible as long as we are in this earthly body. We strive for perfection in Christ, but fall short daily.

I say this because there seems to be a disproportionate response on this topic compared to other sins a Christian commits -- in spite of still being saved. The Bible is clear that only the Father can draw a sinner to repentance (John 6:44), and that each will be brought "in his own order" (1 Corinthians 15:23). If it is not time for that person to come to the fullness of Christ, no amount of preaching or persuasion will convert them. I don't see that truth proclaimed as much in the arguments here. Instead I see immediate condemnation without much thought to how the present may in fact be leading to a future reconciliation.
 
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"In Romans 1 Paul condemns homosexual acts, lesbian as well as male, in the same breath as idolatry (vv. 23–27), but his theological canvas is broader than that of Lv. Instead of treating homosexual behaviour as an expression of idolatrous worship, he traces both to the bad ‘exchange’ fallen man has made in departing from his Creator’s intention (vv. 25f.).

Seen from this angle, every homosexual act is unnatural (para physin, v. 26), not because it cuts across the individual’s natural sexual orientation (which, of course, it may not) or infringes OT law (contra McNeill), but because it flies in the face of God’s creation scheme for human sexual expression."

^ Source: Field D. H. (1996). Homosexuality. In D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard, J. I. Packer & D. J. Wiseman (Eds.), New Bible dictionary (D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard, J. I. Packer & D. J. Wiseman, Ed.) (3rd ed.) (479). Leicester, England; Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

Add the above to the scriptures I've already shared. ALL forms of homosexuality are outside God's design for human sexuality. ALL forms of homosexuality are sexual immorality and all sexual immorality is sin. "For this is the will of God, your sanctification (e.g. being made holy); that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality" -1 Thessalonians 4:3.


Show me a verse in the Old Testament that condemns lesbianism.
 
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Furthermore:

"Paul makes two other references to homosexual practice in the Epistles. Both occur in lists of banned activities and strike the same condemnatory note. In 1 Cor. 6:9f. practicing homosexuals are included among the unrighteous who will not inherit the kingdom of God (but with the redemptive note added, ‘such were some of you’); and in 1 Tim. 1:9f. they feature in a list of ‘the lawless and disobedient’.

Paul parallels the 7th commandment (on adultery) with a reference to pornoi and arsenokoitai which cover all sexual immorality outside marriage, whether heterosexual or homosexual. If the Decalogue is permanently valid, the significance of this application is heightened still further."

Source: Field D. H. (1996). Homosexuality. In D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard, J. I. Packer & D. J. Wiseman (Eds.), New Bible dictionary (D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard, J. I. Packer & D. J. Wiseman, Ed.) (3rd ed.) (479). Leicester, England; Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.