I'm a virgin with a non-virgin girlfriend, should I stay with her or go?

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rachelsedge

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GF: Btw, have you told anyone I'm not a virgin?
Me: No. They just assumed that you were not.
Ouch. As much as that may be true, that people assume someone's not (because of their dress, their actions, etc.), it's not very encouraging to tell your girlfriend that people just assume she's not a virgin.

(She told me she feels like she isn't good enough and I told her that I don't want her to feel that way. I blamed it on myself for not having the strength to deal with it and it seems like such a small "blemish" on something that is otherwise perfect)
GF: Blemish huh? Thats hurtful. It isn't small to you. This could be great except this one thing... Maybe we should seek counseling.
I'm gonna have to agree with her...that is hurtful. I understand your hesitation on being with her due to her apparent lack of respect for sex in general (wanting to get intimate with you despite your wanting to stay pure until marriage), but it does seem like you're basically telling her "So, you're perfect except for this one thing that you did in your past and not even while you were with me."

Did you know she wasn't a virgin before you started dating?

As far as "Why have I even stayed a virgin if my future spouse isn't going to be", that is for your future spouse's protection as well as yours. Just look at how much it has hurt her. You said yourself that you think she was used for it. You'd rather you both have that baggage than just one of you? You'd rather share yourself with someone else because your future spouse already did that with someone else too?

I understand your plight. I'm a virgin and I'd love for my future husband to be a virgin as well. However, if it was something that happened in the past and something they realize was wrong, then I wouldn't hold it against them. Would it bother me at times, yes, but I doubt I'd make it a deal breaker.
 
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Exoaria

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Firstly, I'm not god. I've been asking God to show me what it is he wants me to do.
This is not an issue you can just snap your fingers and not care about anymore. If it was, I'd gladly take that option.
I realize that people do make mistakes. I never said I was perfect, I'm no saint. But when I said that I believe I've made better choices than your average person, I'm saying that I try to do the right thing. I've seen so many people who constantly do what they know to be wrong and immoral and somehow end up with all the blessings. But God says the wealth of the wicked will be stored up for the righteous. She is a very beautiful and amazing person. I never said this makes her any less beautiful but more-so all the more reason for it to bug me. To know that you have this girl who seems to be perfect in every other way. You've spent your life protecting and sharing a gift you intend to give her on the wedding night and some guy pops into the picture and steals and ruins what we could/would have been able to share. It isn't completely about me either. In a way I guess you can say I can almost feel her pain. I can tell it bothers her as of recently she seems to have sorta backed off. And I'm more so just mad that someone exploited her. But, I know it isn't coming back and there isn't a thing I can do about it but pray. I understand that there isn't anything that can be done to restore her virginity but I've thought about it and praying might just help as there is nothing outside of God's power. Well maybe not restore it but "wash" away what has been done if that makes any sense. I dunno. But I just want you to understand why this is such a challenge for me. Call me melodramatic, I probably am.
I feel remorse for my previous post as I came down quite hard on you without taking the time to think about your pain. I still stand by that general stance, but I am sorry for not providing any kind of sympathy. All I saw was self-righteousness but here I see a person trying to work through legitimate pain.

I know what it's like to not be able to deal with a girl's past. When they don't feel remorse for things, and when they even keep in contact with their exes (that's usually a deal breaker). But the fact here is that she is trying to work through a relationship with you and she has guilt in her past. As I said, Christ has forgiven her as far as the east is from the west, and it's time for you to begin to put the flesh to death and walk in Spirit with her. You are both free, and this physical mistake that she has made can't continue to hurt her, and hurt you any longer.

This is something that you have to accept and work through, because I can tell you, you are devaluing her and you need to get to a place with her that she can not be de-valued. Jesus can help you to move on, and give you the understanding to not see it through eyes of the flesh, but eyes of the Spirit.

You say that her virginity can not be restored? You're putting the power of the finished work of Jesus in a box. Do not be conformed to this world, but allow your mind to be renewed and view things through the supernatural innermost workings and possibilities of the Spirit. I know that you're not single, neither of you are, but this video deals with virginity a lot. It's my favourite pastor, and he hits the nail on the head.

I suggest that you listen to it, it will help you a lot.

[video=youtube;49dfXDHoTrc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49dfXDHoTrc[/video]

I understand that it's not as simple as just dumping her and forgetting about her, but she deserves someone who is going to be able to move on through her past with her and you need to be able to find it in you to become that man. We are all sinners coming to Christ, and I understand that this would even invoke feelings of jealous as absurd as that sounds. But I understand that, and we need to come to the Lord with this situation. Because what is happening right now is something you are struggling with and it is not fair on her.
 
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reject-tech

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It's up to you. If it will always bother you that you couldn't be the first, then you better think it over really hard.
Is she definitely your soul-mate? Or someone else's? Can you even know for sure in this world?

It is my understanding that she will be a virgin again in the new earth, and get it right next time, whether it's with you or someone else. Walk carefully, but be sure to walk.

Love'em all.
 

presidente

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You say that her virginity can not be restored? You're putting the power of the finished work of Jesus in a box
I was a virgin until my wedding night. But I had sex on my wedding night and maybe thousands of times since then. Can my virginity be restored? Can my wife's? Does it need to be? Are we any less holy for not being virgins? If I got saved after I had sex on my wedding night, would that make me a virgin?

Clearly there is a difference between virginity and being holy in body. Being a non-virgin isn't necessarily a bad thing (otherwise we would not be allowed to marry.)

I can't find the idea of an individuals virginity being restored in scripture.
 

presidente

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If I were in this situation, dating a girl who had slept with one man, I'd be thinking I wonder if the right thing would be for her to marry the guy she had already become one flesh with. It's kind of Old Testament, but if he repented, and wants to do right, maybe that's how he could do right by her and they could do right by each other. There is also the issue of whether one of them is an unbeliever, and whether the guy has done that with multiple girls or is married, etc. If two Christians are virgins and sleep together, there seems to be a pretty good case for considering marriage to preserve that 'one flesh' aspect of it.

You can say the cross destroys the one flesh thing, or something like that, but I don't see it in scripture. The Corinthian Christian who slept with a prostitute became one with her in body. This was not to happen. Christ is not to be joined with a harlot in this way. But Christians are not exempt from the principle of 'two shall be one flesh.'

That really impacted my thinking as a single man and it was one of the reasons for seeking a virgin bride, a woman who had not become one flesh with another man. I believe it has been a blessing for us. Even a fun, enjoyable, happy marriage has enough trials and tribulations if you both are virgins and try to do things right.

Just from secular marriage research there is evidence that women who have slept with one man, whether on their wedding night or before, are less likely to divorce. It's bad if they fornicated, but not becoming one flesh with multiple men may protect them from some emotional and spiritual problems.

I am also thinking big picture for society. If you tell virgin men that refusing non-virgin women is self-righteous or inappropriate, it doesn't help with incentives for virginity. If the godly men marry up the virgins, the woman may eventually get a clue, at least in the church subculture. I really think there is something positive about those Old Testament law and customs that would have made it harder for a non-virgin, non-widow to marry than a virgin, and also older European and American customs where non-virgins were at a disadvantage to marry. Non-virgins should be at a disadvantage to marry. And young people should be aware of that. It's certainly better for promoting sexual morality in society.
 
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you probably shouldn't date someone who views sex differently then you, its kind of a recipe for disaster
but, sometimes people make poor decisions and they have to live with them for the rest of their lives
we should be compassionate about that and not judgemental
and we shouldn't harass them about it
if you can't seem to get your head around the fact that your gf isn't a virgin, then perhaps you need to find a new gf
 
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To me this young woman is not a christian and you should drop her like a hot potato. If she is disrespectful to you now ,it will be worst after marriage. If you have sex out side of marriage it would be my guess, she will drop you like an old hat, just to prove the point, you are not so holy after all, are you! Get out while the getting is easy.
But you're just speculating. Just because she made the mistake of sleeping with someone and is now on the offense doesn't mean she is not a Christian. She may be riddled with guilt, which causes her to lash out. There's not enough information given to make this kind of speculation without entering into judgement.
 
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Thanks for the answers guys.
What worries me is how will I know that we weren't meant to be together?
What if I'm letting the woman that was meant to be my soulmate go and god intended for it to be
this way. But at the same time I wonder why would he put such a strong desire in me to have a virgin?
I'm a bit conflicted as it seems as though god would have had me want a virgin to deter me from pursuing the wrong woman
but I also feel like it could be a mistake letting this girl go. Right now, we have agreed to take a break for 2 weeks so we can figure out what we're going to do. I looked at a couple girls online and the virgins aren't quite what I'm looking for. But my desires are sort of specific and hard to find as I would also like someone tall and maybe has a couple common interests but I'm getting off subject. I keep saying this but what if I can't find anyone like her who is a virgin? Shes just so perfect otherwise. Additionally you guys have brought valid points about marriage. She apparently believes in sex before marriage as she has made suggestions to get intimate with me. So that'd be an issue right there, being on two spectrums. What would we teach our kids in that situation. There was talk of marriage though but I don't think she said for it to come before sex.
 
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presidente

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Thanks for the answers guys.
What worries me is how will I know that we weren't meant to be together?
What if I'm letting the woman that was meant to be my soulmate go and god intended for it to be
this way. But at the same time I wonder why would he put such a strong desire in me to have a virgin?
I went to a Christian school for middle school for a while, and one of the students had been dumped by a girl in class. I remember him talking about it. "Why does God keep giving me these feelings?" He blamed his crushes on God. I didn't know enough to address that issue at the time.

Not all Christians believe in the 'soul mate' idea. We know it is not the case that God made exactly one perfect match for you. If that were the case, widowers and widows would not be allowed to remarry, and they are. Paul says of Christians who get married, "If you marry you have not sinned." He says to the widow that she marry 'whomsoever she wills, but only in the Lord." I had a Christian friend who said one time, "If you marry the wrong person that God hasn't chosen for you, you may have to get a divorce and marry the right person." She had this soul mate concept. What a horrific doctrine she held to about marriage! She put this soul mate idea above the word of God, though she did not realize it.

If a Christian man goes out and finds a Christian woman and marries her, and neither of them have been married or promised to another, they aren't related, and they marry in a way that honors parents, honors God, etc. it is not a sin. There doesn't need to be a bolt of lightening. You don't have to have butterflies in your stomach. You are required to love your wife after you marry. She doesn't have to be pretty or have the same interests for your marriage to be a valid one. Now, you may want to find a wife who has some common interests who you are attracted to, but that doesn't make her your 'soul mate'.

On the other hand, I do believe God can pick out a person for you to marry. I prayed and asked Him to for me. Abraham prayed that God would send His angel before Abraham's servant to find a bride for Isaac, and the choice of Rebecca for his wife was ordained of the LORD. That's great.

In my case, I looked for a wife who had certain characteristics, and I also prayed and asked if I should marry this woman, and if she was the right woman for me. I believe the Lord led me to her specifically. It may have been foreordained at creation. It may have been decided in answer to my prayers. I suspect it went further back than my first prayer.
I don't believe God has to speak to you per se for your marriage to be ordained by God in this sense. If you want God ot help you out with a specific woman, ask in faith.

I'm a bit conflicted as it seems as though god would have had me want a virgin to deter me from pursuing the wrong woman
but I also feel like it could be a mistake letting this girl go. Right now, we have agreed to take a break for 2 weeks so we can figure out what we're going to do.
I don't know that the desire to have a virgin is from the Lord, but it could be. You have two weeks that you can spend in intense prayer about it. The Bible talks about letting the peace of Christ reign in your heart. Sometimes when a believer wants to make a decision, he doesn't have peace about it. It can be an issue where he doesn't want to pray about it for fear that the Lord will say 'no.' I believe God can lead you through whether you have peace about something.

But you also have to be careful with feelings. Feeling good with a love interest is a normal thing. It is possible for a man to fall in love with an awful potential wife for a girlfriend, a drug addict, lazy, a fornicator, who hates children and old people, but who is really good looking, charming and sexy. That could happen. Feelings don't necessarily tell you the right thing to do. I'm not trying to imply your girlfriend is like that, btw. I'm just making a point about feelings.

I dated a girl for a little while. I kept thinking about breaking up with her. I just didn't see myself marrying her. I was leaving the country shortly, and there was just too much temptation. But when I met her, it felt so good to be with her, I did not break up with her. I even got more serious. If you hold a girl's hand or hug or whatever, and you are attracted to her, it feels good to you.

When you pray, see if you think the Lord is leading you one way or another. Pray about your desires and look up the scriptures related to those, e.g. about virginity. Tell the Lord why you think He may want you to marry a virgin, and tell Him why you think what you do about your girlfriend. If you are confused about a decision, talk to a more mature brother in the Lord. If the Lord gives you direction, great. If not, make a decision and tell the Lord what you want to do and ask Him to take away your peace about it or stop you if it is wrong. You don't have to make a big decision now, just whether to continue the relationship. You might also talk to your parents. Believe it or not, parents may have some insight, and they usually care a lot about their children's welfare.

I looked at a couple girls online and the virgins aren't quite what I'm looking for. But my desires are sort of specific and hard to find as I would also like someone tall and maybe has a couple common interests but I'm getting off subject.
I was uber-picky. There were girls other guys would say were pretty, that I ddn't find attractive. There were some celebrities that guys went gaga about, like Julia Roberts, Cindy Crawford, Drew Barrymore, that really didn't float my boat at all. I did not want a specific type of woman for looks, but just not every woman was attractive to me. And I didn't want a woman with chunky or flabby upper arms. And I wanted a wife with certain spiritual characteristics. She had to love God of course. Then there is the issue of having to hit it off. Your personalities have to match. And you need to find someone who likes you back.

If you continue with your girlfriend, you'll have someone you can connect with in certain ways. If not, don't be so glum about prospects. When you post, it says you are 20. Are you really set up and ready to marry at 20? Lot's of men have to wait several more years to be stable or emotionally ready. If you aren't ready to marry now, then during the time it takes to be ready, you may find the woman. There are billions of women in the world, and you have all those promises about praying in faith in scripture, so you can pray and ask God for a good, godly wife.

Common interests are overrated, IMO. Does she have to really like your sports? Do you have to like needlepoint and window shopping for women's shoes? Common faith and common values are important. Some common goals are important, like being on the same page about whether to have children and how many. Calling is important to consider. If he doesn't want to break a nail and you believe God wants you to be a missionary to a very poor place in Africa, that may not be a good match.

Also, try to find a woman who is anti-divorce who also embraces Biblical gender roles in marriage.


I keep saying this but what if I can't find anyone like her who is a virgin? Shes just so perfect otherwise. Additionally you guys have brought valid points about marriage. She apparently believes in sex before marriage as she has made suggestions to get intimate with me. So that'd be an issue right there, being on two spectrums. What would we teach our kids in that situation. There was talk of marriage though but I don't think she said for it to come before sex.

When I was single, a girl showing some aggression about getting sexual with me would have been a deal breaker. My stalker made a few comments :), but I never showed interest in her. There is natural sexual desire, and that's not a deal breaker. But a willingness to sin in this area with no morals restraining it, and all the restraint being left to the man, just isn't a good scenario.

It sounds like you tried to talk about the morality of sex with her, but it's a sensitive topic so you shut her down. I can see why mentioning stoning in the OT might be uncomfortable. I think it's a good passage to show how serious it is, followed by commenting on the forgiveness available through Christ. It is good to realize how heinous your past sins were, to appreciate what Jesus did and hopefully prevent one from wanting to repay the sins.

If her values are that sex before marriage is okay, then what about having other partners after marriage? What about teaching the children? What about staying pure before the wedding. You need to have similar values.
 
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Mammachickadee

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Yeah I agree but I think that if your in a relationship with someone and you might end up falling into temptation,
it should be with someone you can marry as I personally believe once you get intimate, your obligated to marry them.

And yeah I have gotten myself into a pretty hard place.
I no longer feel jealous or like I'm being cheated with her though
and thats a bit of a bad thing as that was sorta like a defense mechanism
but I honestly don't want to leave her and am mostly happy with her besides having a inkling
of wondering what its like to be a girl's first which is something I realize I would be giving up by continuing to stay with her.
But I'm not sure is it really worth letting her go for something like that? I'm told that its better when you two learn together, the way god intended it. I'm told that you form a stronger bond and it causes less issues down the line as well but even though its only been 2 months, I'm just having a tough time making up my mind. Has anyone on here married a virgin and perhaps can give me any insight? But I suppose first I'd really need to see exactly where her head is on the issue.
Read What did you expect?​ by Paul Tripp
 
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Mammachickadee

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XD, question. What, in your eyes, is so great about virginity? What, in your eyes, is so great about being in a relationship with a virgin? Who is supposed to benefit most from your relationship with whatever women you settle on?
 
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Mammachickadee

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Thanks for the answers guys.
What worries me is how will I know that we weren't meant to be together?
What if I'm letting the woman that was meant to be my soulmate go and god intended for it to be
this way. But at the same time I wonder why would he put such a strong desire in me to have a virgin?
I'm a bit conflicted as it seems as though god would have had me want a virgin to deter me from pursuing the wrong woman
but I also feel like it could be a mistake letting this girl go. Right now, we have agreed to take a break for 2 weeks so we can figure out what we're going to do. I looked at a couple girls online and the virgins aren't quite what I'm looking for. But my desires are sort of specific and hard to find as I would also like someone tall and maybe has a couple common interests but I'm getting off subject. I keep saying this but what if I can't find anyone like her who is a virgin? Shes just so perfect otherwise. Additionally you guys have brought valid points about marriage. She apparently believes in sex before marriage as she has made suggestions to get intimate with me. So that'd be an issue right there, being on two spectrums. What would we teach our kids in that situation. There was talk of marriage though but I don't think she said for it to come before sex.
Her intentions in the relationship are obviously faulty, and as the guy you are testing the waters of submission every time you tell her no when she wants to be physically intimate. Whether or not she's a virgin is a lesser issue. I can shout from the hills based on personal experience that being a physical virgin means absolutely NOTHING without a healthy relationship with God. I was afraid to have sex before marriage because I didn't want to run the risk of getting pregnant. Eventually, after testing the waters in my heart, mind, and physically, I finally just jumped in with the man that I eventually married. Did premarital sex cause issues in our marriage? Not directly... for it was the consequences from my sin (pregnancy before marriage and my lack of commitment mentally to my husband and to my God) that caused some of the issues that nearly destroyed my marriage. No matter who you marry, you both HAVE to have a proper understanding of the value you should put on everything from children, to money, to sex, to church preference, to values, to priorities, to diet, to timing. Encourage complete honesty in every relationship, both sexual, agape, and emotional... but make God the focus and margin to which you attempt to justify your decisions.
 
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XD005

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XD, question. What, in your eyeheinouss, is so great about virginity? What, in your eyes, is so great about being in a relationship with a virgin? Who is supposed to benefit most from your relationship with whatever women you settle on?
I believe we both would benefit. Knowing that nobody else has been intimate with your significant other,
knowing that there isn't any possibility of her having feelings for another man still, you guys get to learn together,
She hasn't joined spirits with another person either. Other than that, I don't know. Maybe this is more a psychological issue now that I look at it. Perhaps I just WANT to be first as it would be with me if we ended up pursing each other further.

I went to a Christian school for middle school for a while, and one of the students had been dumped by a girl in class. I remember him talking about it. "Why does God keep giving me these feelings?" He blamed his crushes on God. I didn't know enough to address that issue at the time.

Not all Christians believe in the 'soul mate' idea. We know it is not the case that God made exactly one perfect match for you. If that were the case, widowers and widows would not be allowed to remarry, and they are. Paul says of Christians who get married, "If you marry you have not sinned." He says to the widow that she marry 'whomsoever she wills, but only in the Lord." I had a Christian friend who said one time, "If you marry the wrong person that God hasn't chosen for you, you may have to get a divorce and marry the right person." She had this soul mate concept. What a horrific doctrine she held to about marriage! She put this soul mate idea above the word of God, though she did not realize it....

...When I was single, a girl showing some aggression about getting sexual with me would have been a deal breaker. My stalker made a few comments :), but I never showed interest in her. There is natural sexual desire, and that's not a deal breaker. But a willingness to sin in this area with no morals restraining it, and all the restraint being left to the man, just isn't a good scenario.

It sounds like you tried to talk about the morality of sex with her, but it's a sensitive topic so you shut her down. I can see why mentioning stoning in the OT might be uncomfortable. I think it's a good passage to show how serious it is, followed by commenting on the forgiveness available through Christ. It is good to realize how heinous your past sins were, to appreciate what Jesus did and hopefully prevent one from wanting to repay the sins.

If her values are that sex before marriage is okay, then what about having other partners after marriage? What about teaching the children? What about staying pure before the wedding. You need to have similar values.
I'm not ready to marry but I'm more worried about the possibility of falling into temptation. Worse of all, I think the guy she lost it to is still in the picture. I'm 80% she's still in contact with him and he calls on a monthly basis. But anyay going back to the temptation thing,
I realize the bible says you should flee from such a situation. But there is also the possibility of her
leaving me for some other guy that will give her what she wants. I don't want to go through all this trouble and it ends up not working anyway. I feel as though a virgin since we are on the same mindset, wouldn't do such a thing. Ironically, such aggression I once found unattractive, I've sorta grown to like it. This is a bad thing in itself because the devil does use people to lead us astray. Once he sees a moment of vulnerability in your emotions, he exploits it. The only real thing stopping me from doing it is wanting to maintain my integrity and the thought of giving such a gift of my virginity, knowing I wont get hers back, and the possibility of it not lasting in the long run, what if we end up divorced, if we were to marry?
I've thought about it and the best thing for us to be is to probably start out completely over again as just friends, that way, if I do meet anyone else, I have the option of dating them as well as the option of going back to her, that may even give her some time to think about things.
 
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I believe we both would benefit. Knowing that nobody else has been intimate with your significant other,
knowing that there isn't any possibility of her having feelings for another man still, you guys get to learn together,
She hasn't joined spirits with another person either. Other than that, I don't know. Maybe this is more a psychological issue now that I look at it. Perhaps I just WANT to be first as it would be with me if we ended up pursing each other further.



I'm not ready to marry but I'm more worried about the possibility of falling into temptation. Worse of all, I think the guy she lost it to is still in the picture. I'm 80% she's still in contact with him and he calls on a monthly basis. But anyay going back to the temptation thing,
I realize the bible says you should flee from such a situation. But there is also the possibility of her
leaving me for some other guy that will give her what she wants. I don't want to go through all this trouble and it ends up not working anyway. I feel as though a virgin since we are on the same mindset, wouldn't do such a thing. Ironically, such aggression I once found unattractive, I've sorta grown to like it. This is a bad thing in itself because the devil does use people to lead us astray. Once he sees a moment of vulnerability in your emotions, he exploits it. The only real thing stopping me from doing it is wanting to maintain my integrity and the thought of giving such a gift of my virginity, knowing I wont get hers back, and the possibility of it not lasting in the long run, what if we end up divorced, if we were to marry?
I've thought about it and the best thing for us to be is to probably start out completely over again as just friends, that way, if I do meet anyone else, I have the option of dating them as well as the option of going back to her, that may even give her some time to think about things.
I hope you're not seriously going to try that- starting over as "just friends", so that you can, basically, keep her hanging on while waiting for something better to come along. Because that is basically what you are saying you want to do. Like, just in case a virgin doesn't come along in your near-ish future, you'll go back to her, the "damaged goods".

That's...that's not very nice. I really hope that's not what you meant, but it very much sounds that way.
 
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If being a virgin or not a virgin is the end-all of what defines you- as a person- who is worthy of love... then you need maturing.
 

presidente

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I'm not ready to marry but I'm more worried about the possibility of falling into temptation.
If you are not close to being ready to marry, then why are you dating? Is it to use a girl to fulfill emotional needs that God designed marriage to fulfill?

Worse of all, I think the guy she lost it to is still in the picture. I'm 80% she's still in contact with him and he calls on a monthly basis.
Could this just be jealousy?

You know, there is a way that both of you could only have sex with one person for life, marry your 'first', and not be one flesh with multiple people. She could break up with you and go back to her ex, and you could find a virgin to marry. If I were in your shoes, I'd be wondering if the right thing for her to do was marry her ex-boyfriend.

Also, if this story were made into a movie, it could be your character would be the guy the female lead went out with after breaking up with the male lead, before figuring out that he was the one she really loved. Sometimes she figures it out when the busts in on the wedding ceremony. That's the movies.

Exodus 22
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“If a man entices a virgin who is not betrothed, and lies with her, he shall surely pay the bride-price for her to be his wife. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money according to the bride-price of virgins.

(NKJV)

But anyay going back to the temptation thing,
I realize the bible says you should flee from such a situation. But there is also the possibility of her
leaving me for some other guy that will give her what she wants. I don't want to go through all this trouble and it ends up not working anyway. I feel as though a virgin since we are on the same mindset, wouldn't do such a thing. Ironically, such aggression I once found unattractive, I've sorta grown to like it. This is a bad thing in itself because the devil does use people to lead us astray. Once he sees a moment of vulnerability in your emotions, he exploits it. The only real thing stopping me from doing it is wanting to maintain my integrity and the thought of giving such a gift of my virginity, knowing I wont get hers back, and the possibility of it not lasting in the long run, what if we end up divorced, if we were to marry?
If you aren't wanting to marry any time soon, and you feel tempted by your relationship with her, why continue dating her? You need to decide what you want so you won't lead young women on while you are trying to figure it out. Pray for wisdom about it and study the BIble.

I've thought about it and the best thing for us to be is to probably start out completely over again as just friends, that way, if I do meet anyone else, I have the option of dating them as well as the option of going back to her, that may even give her some time to think about things.
Maybe you can do the just friends thing if you can actually pull it off. But having her as a backup plan doesn't sound very kind to her. Of course, she could just move on, but if you have her in mind as a backup plan, you could get hurt from having that mindset if she starts dating someone else.
 
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If you are not close to being ready to marry, then why are you dating? Is it to use a girl to fulfill emotional needs that God designed marriage to fulfill?



Could this just be jealousy?

You know, there is a way that both of you could only have sex with one person for life, marry your 'first', and not be one flesh with multiple people. She could break up with you and go back to her ex, and you could find a virgin to marry. If I were in your shoes, I'd be wondering if the right thing for her to do was marry her ex-boyfriend.

Also, if this story were made into a movie, it could be your character would be the guy the female lead went out with after breaking up with the male lead, before figuring out that he was the one she really loved. Sometimes she figures it out when the busts in on the wedding ceremony. That's the movies.

Exodus 22
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“If a man entices a virgin who is not betrothed, and lies with her, he shall surely pay the bride-price for her to be his wife. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money according to the bride-price of virgins.

(NKJV)



If you aren't wanting to marry any time soon, and you feel tempted by your relationship with her, why continue dating her? You need to decide what you want so you won't lead young women on while you are trying to figure it out. Pray for wisdom about it and study the BIble.



Maybe you can do the just friends thing if you can actually pull it off. But having her as a backup plan doesn't sound very kind to her. Of course, she could just move on, but if you have her in mind as a backup plan, you could get hurt from having that mindset if she starts dating someone else.
While I don't want to get married within the next year. I would like to at least be engaged.
And ready to get married sometime soon. My relationships don't last longer than 3 or 4 months and its often been because I don't put up with sex. I'm just ready for something serious. I want to have that magical moment where you and your partner
make love for the first time in each other's life. I want it to be an equal thing. I've made up my mind that I should let this girl go but now I feel like I will never find what I am looking for and I'm going to have a long bout of loneliness and sadness ahead of me, I've been there before. It sucks to go back to it but I figure whats the point if I won't be happy anyway.
I'm trying to keep faith but its hard when you live in such a messed up time when virtually nobody thinks this way anymore. Virtually nobody is committed to staying pure for the one they will marry. Today I asked my gf what she would teach her children and she declined to answer. I feel bad because now I see why she would snap at me. I figure she thought she wasn't going to meet anyone, settled, and now regrets the decision (seeing she did), the exact opposite of what shes been telling me. Perhaps she's upset like you guys said that I've managed to stay pure and she didn't.
 

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If you are dating her out of fear of loneliness, that doesn't sound like a good foundation for a relationship, especially if you will always be disappointed about the virginity issue. She probably doesn't want someone to 'settle' for her. It may be helpful for you to spend some time in prayer and see if you can get to a point where if you aren't dating, you don't go through bouts of loneliness.

You are not the only single Christian who is a virgin out there. There are plenty of virgin Christian women who would very much prefer to marry a Christian man. Some of them may be on these forums, too. There are also entire countries where it is the norm for girls to be virgins until marriage.

As far as fear of not finding someone is concerned, you have to learn to trust God. There are billions of women in the world now. Think of Adam. God made him a wife out of his rib. If He can do that, He can just have you meet a woman who already exists.
 
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Again ,I see a rebellious spirit in this girl, she will not communicate openly and truthfully with you,remember ,what she is now , she will double trouble when you marry her. I think she want to rob you of your virginity and walk away and laugh at you. Just do it ,right! Don't be unequally yoked. Love to all, Hoffco
 

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I know I'm just another person on the internet, but here's the way I see it:

The biggest factor here in whether or not you should stay with her is what her view of sex is now. Whether or not she's a virgin shouldn't matter. If she views sex as something that God intended for a husband and wife alone to share within a marriage, then that's great. If she views sex as something she would do again, regardless of whether or not she's married, that's bad news.

And I should say too that anyone who says that they would not marry a non-virgin who is repentant of their past sexual sin and desires to wait until marriage to have sex again simply does not understand grace and does not have a very good grasp of the gospel. There seem to be a lot of people out there who believe that they somehow get extra points with God for being a virgin, and that simply isn't the case. Now, they are definitely saving themselves some relational, marital, emotional, and spiritual heartache by saving themselves for marriage, so I am not in any way saying that it is unimportant to wait for marriage to have sex. What I am saying, however, is that God loves virgins and non-virgins the same, and both repentant virgins and repentant non-virgins alike are children of God.