Is being a submissive wife really taboo?

[MarcR]

Look when you come a pour all your stuff out and tag God with it, just know that's my God you're also talking about for which I know there is no place in the bible that being tied up, brought to pain for pleasure, or being called little girl is there. Song of soloman is written for a reason. And Frankly, Im offended that you call yourself biblically traditional. This is the first time ive ever been borderline miffed here. And probably not the last.

What in any of her posts brought that on?

She has said nothing about BDSM that was Poet Mary's label and it was NEVER JUSTIFIED!

This is precisely what I meant when I urged caution slinging labels at people.


Go back and read SSW's posts and you will not find anything there to support a charge of BDSM except a buzz-word that also has legitimate usage outside BDSM.


This is disgusting!

 

[jillwings]

Submissivewife I sent you a private message. I am not going to jump into this melee in public but I understand, and care about you as a person. Sometimes women need other women to talk to, to pray, to comfort, to be a friend. If you need a friend, add me and speak to me in private.

 

[MarcR]

May I ask you a simple question?

Seeing how the relationship between a man and his wife is likened to the relationship between Christ and His church in scripture, do you believe that Christ wants us in bondage to Him?

I guess that someone might say that we're Christ's servants or slaves, but that's speaking of being servants or slaves to righteousness. Having read your confession/admission, I now understand the concern of some others here better without advocating any rudeness if there was any. God doesn't want husbands dominating their wives. A husband's authority has to do with accountability and not dominance.

On 9 separate occasions, Paul refers either to himself or other believers as a bond slave of Jesus; and in every case bond slave is translated as servant. the Greek 'dulos' means bond slave.

 

[PoetMary]

Yes we do. While I understand your views on this, personally I think the bible is rather contradictory about this. Which is the point of my post. Noone is going to change anyone elses views, and I'm not trying to make a whole darn drama thread. I was, I suppose, seeking clarity myself in the biblical matters. But, also I suppose the bible leaves a lot to personal interpretation and dominanation.

I'd like to point out to all the (ahem) MEN who claimed that I was overanalyzing, using buzzwords, being "judgey", etc., that I was indeed RIGHT about her being involved in the BDSM lifestyle.

I'll be accepting any/all apologies immediately.

 

[PoetMary]

She has said nothing about BDSM that was Poet Mary's label and it was NEVER JUSTIFIED!

She freely admitted that she and her husband were involved in BDSM. Feel free to apologize to me anytime.

 

[PoetMary]

As an aside to the whole debate, I'd like to add that I was very tranparent and non-judgemental regarding BDSM.

I posited the idea that the scenario presented by the OP was not the biblically mandated scenario for a husband and wife.

I made it clear (unlike the OP) what the origins of her post actually were.

I also said MORE THAN ONCE that the relationship negotiated between a couple is their private business.

I find it super-interesting that the poster (who was not remotely transparent from the get-go) is defended in her erroneous presentation of her lifestyle preferences as being biblical, whereas I, who was completely transparent, rational, and non-emotive have been criticized by people who refused to see what was actually true.

And now that the poster has admitted to engaging in the lifestyle, let's see how these defenders step and scramble to cover their theological heinies.

 

[sc81]

I'd like to point out to all the (ahem) MEN who claimed that I was overanalyzing, using buzzwords, being "judgey", etc., that I was indeed RIGHT about her being involved in the BDSM lifestyle.

I'll be accepting any/all apologies immediately.

this isn't even about your or your ego

this is about a new member that was subjected to a witchhunt basically and chased off the forums by name calling, assumptions about her sex life and accusations of being involved in a demonic lifestyle

you are legalistic pharisee's at best

your say her calling her husband "master" is unbiblical, yet even sarah called abraham "lord", you can look up 1 peter 3:6 if you like, it might be unusal but it isn't an oppressive relationship

 

[purgedconscience]

She freely admitted that she and her husband were involved in BDSM. Feel free to apologize to me anytime.

She did freely admit the same, even as I already pointed out to another poster last night. Apparently, some posters here can't even read, yet they're quick to cast their judgments upon others while accusing others of being judgmental.

 

[purgedconscience]

On 9 separate occasions, Paul refers either to himself or other believers as a bond slave of Jesus; and in every case bond slave is translated as servant. the Greek 'dulos' means bond slave.

I already understood this and that is why I mentioned how we are called to be slaves to righteousness as opposed to being sex slaves. If you cannot recognize the major differences betweeb the two, then I honestly don't know what else to say to you. I never thought that I'd see the day when those who profess to belong to Christ defend the BDSM lifestyle as if Christ Himself would somehow defend the same. Quite frankly, several of you ought to spend some time today away from your keyboards while you repent on your knees before the Lord.

 

[PoetMary]

this isn't even about your or your ego

this is about a new member that was subjected to a witchhunt basically and chased off the forums by name calling, assumptions about her sex life and accusations of being involved in a demonic lifestyle

you are legalistic pharisee's at best

your say her calling her husband "master" is unbiblical, yet even sarah called abraham "lord", you can look up 1 peter 3:6 if you like, it might be unusal but it isn't an oppressive relationship

Yeah...I'm afraid I'm going to have to call bullpuckey on that.

There was NO witchhunt.

There was an objection to her stated ideas regarding marriage. It was PHILOSOPHICAL objection based on her alignment of BDSM values with biblical values.

The fact that some people walk through the world and crumple when they are subjected to a contrary opinion isn't really the problem of everyone else. It's not our job to cushion the world or theological truth so that she feels good all the time.

Here's the formula I see:

Point A presented for philosophical evaluation
Some people object to Point A
Other people support Point A
Poster of point A cries and throws a tantrum because she has encountered contrary opinions.
Supporters of Point A vilify the non-supporters. They pretend non-supporters aren't really Christians. They imply that our job is to stroke everyone's emotions regardless of agenda or truth. They engage in public shaming to try and garner popular support.

CONCLUSION: If things aren't going your way, all you have to do is manipulate people emotionally. These people will then act as "bodyguards" to shut up your detractors.

Why is it that people can't engage in discourse without personal insults?

 

[purgedconscience]

Yeah...I'm afraid I'm going to have to call bullpuckey on that.

There was NO witchhunt.

There was an objection to her stated ideas regarding marriage. It was PHILOSOPHICAL objection based on her alignment of BDSM values with biblical values.

The fact that some people walk through the world and crumple when they are subjected to a contrary opinion isn't really the problem of everyone else. It's not our job to cushion the world or theological truth so that she feels good all the time.

Here's the formula I see:

Point A presented for philosophical evaluation
Some people object to Point A
Other people support Point A
Poster of point A cries and throws a tantrum because she has encountered contrary opinions.
Supporters of Point A vilify the non-supporters. They pretend non-supporters aren't really Christians. They imply that our job is to stroke everyone's emotions regardless of agenda or truth. They engage in public shaming to try and garner popular support.

CONCLUSION: If things aren't going your way, all you have to do is manipulate people emotionally. These people will then act as "bodyguards" to shut up your detractors.

Why is it that people can't engage in discourse without personal insults?

Perhaps it's because they can't engage in intercourse without personal insults either.

I'm being somewhat sarcastic, of course, but you pretty much nailed it in your analysis of what transpired here. Those who justify the wicked while condemning the just actually believe that they're somehow walking in line with Christ. It's scary. The BDSM lifestyle was not instituted by Christ. Satan can take full ownership of the same while his minions defend him and his perversions of what Christ actually instituted.

 

[sc81]

Yeah...I'm afraid I'm going to have to call bullpuckey on that.

There was NO witchhunt.

you still haven't provided any Bible verses for your position, yet you conveniently ignore my direct example or sarah specifically calling abraham "lord" and even peter did not seem to object to it.

you haven't proven anything but driven someone from the forums, imagine if you just shouted down any new people coming in to church with views you diagreed, that's basically all you've done, and you have the nerve to ask for an apology for being part of the crowd that is personally insulting someone with names and false accusations and slander

 

[purgedconscience]

My bad, I do apologize...,Do you and your husband practice the BDSM lifestyle? But will you answer, and if you dont then why thr signature? Sorry, Im not ignorant of this, but I have seemed harsh and Im sorry for that. Night

5 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body.26 “In your anger do not sin”[a]: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry. Eph 4: 25-26

Yes we do. While I understand your views on this, personally I think the bible is rather contradictory about this. Which is the point of my post. Noone is going to change anyone elses views, and I'm not trying to make a whole darn drama thread. I was, I suppose, seeking clarity myself in the biblical matters. But, also I suppose the bible leaves a lot to personal interpretation and dominanation.

Again, some of you need to learn how to read and I highly doubt that the OP was truly seeking clarity in Biblical matters.

 

[PoetMary]

you still haven't provided any Bible verses for your position, yet you conveniently ignore my direct example or sarah specifically calling abraham "lord" and even peter did not seem to object to it.

you haven't proven anything but driven someone from the forums, imagine if you just shouted down any new people coming in to church with views you diagreed, that's basically all you've done, and you have the nerve to ask for an apology for doing personally insulting someone with names.

Apparently YOU haven't read any of my actual posts. I made no objection to her use of the word "master," per se. Here were my two objections:

Objection 1: You are presenting a BDSM based relationship as a biblically sound relationship.
Objection 2: You are being disingenuous regarding your involvement in BDSM.

I was right regarding both my points. I was also non-judgemental, focused on the ISSUE, and transparent with my own philosophical basis.

The fact that you (and others) want to engage in distortion, propoganda, and bullying is your issue.

 

[sc81]

Again, some of you need to learn how to read.

I already addressed this, that can mean anything, bdsm is a general term and she has not spoken of any specifics in which you can draw any conclusion. As long as no other parties are involved and it is just her and her husband as consenting adults there is no laws being broken like adultery, a mere act does not make someone impure. It's been all YOU people making up lurid tales about whips and chains

 

[sc81]

Apparently YOU haven't read any of my actual posts. I made no objection to her use of the word "master," per se. Here were my two objections:

Objection 1: You are presenting a BDSM based relationship as a biblically sound relationship.
Objection 2: You are being disingenuous regarding your involvement in BDSM.

I was right regarding both my points. I was also non-judgemental, focused on the ISSUE, and transparent with my own philosophical basis.

The fact that you (and others) want to engage in distortion, propoganda, and bullying is your issue.

I haven't driven anyone off the forum, bullying is solely from you are your pals coming across as pharisee's casting out all you see as not up to your level of holiness

 

[PoetMary]

I haven't driven anyone off the forum, bullying is solely from you are your pals coming across as pharisee's casting out all you see as not up to your level of holiness

I have made no personally cruel remarks to the poster regarding herself, her marriage, or her lifestyle. The opposite, in fact.

Additionally, I have DEFENDED some who aligned with the poster (specifically Wolfgaming who was bagged on because of his age).

If you want to claim that I'm a bully because I encouraged the poster to be transparent, and because I offered a differing philsophical belief, that is SPIN on your part.

*I* am not responsible for the decisions made by other adults. The fact that people experience certain feelings and want to blame-shift because of these feelings doesn't make the feelings or the blame-shifting right. The fact that you want to engage in calling me names that imply that I'm not really a Christian is just propoganda on your part.

I've never personally insulted you or the poster. The fact that you pretend otherwise is a violation of the Ten Commandments.

 

[purgedconscience]

I already addressed this, that can mean anything, bdsm is a general term and she has not spoken of any specifics in which you can draw any conclusion. As long as no other parties are involved and it is just her and her husband as consenting adults there is no laws being broken like adultery, a mere act does not make someone impure. It's been all YOU people making up lurid tales about whips and chains

BDSM isn't just a general term. It stands for Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism and if you think that Christ is the Author of any of the above, then you and I have different Christs. Christ the true Master girded Himself as a servant Who washed His disciples' feet. Learn of Him.

 

[purgedconscience]

I haven't driven anyone off the forum, bullying is solely from you are your pals coming across as pharisee's casting out all you see as not up to your level of holiness

Nobody here drove anyone off of the forum. The OP started this thread in the form of a question and then got all up in arms when she didn't like some of the answers and stormed off on her own. Stop rewriting history.

 

[sc81]

I have made no personally cruel remarks to the poster regarding herself, her marriage, or her lifestyle. The opposite, in fact.

Additionally, I have DEFENDED some who aligned with the poster (specifically Wolfgaming who was bagged on because of his age).

If you want to claim that I'm a bully because I encouraged the poster to be transparent, and because I offered a differing philsophical belief, that is SPIN on your part.

*I* am not responsible for the decisions made by other adults. The fact that people experience certain feelings and want to blame-shift because of these feelings doesn't make the feelings or the blame-shifting right. The fact that you want to engage in calling me names that imply that I'm not really a Christian is just propoganda on your part.

I've never personally insulted you or the poster. The fact that you pretend otherwise is a violation of the Ten Commandments.

until you can biblically prove her lifestyle is somehow wrong in the realms of it being something like adultery that would void a marriage as a rule given by God then you have no opposition beyond a personal reason which gives zero validity to any point you try and make.