IS LIVING TOGETHER A SIN?

[Kathleen]

IS LIVING TOGETHER A SIN?

To the original question, I don't believe it is a sin but I don't think it's right either. To live together in two separate rooms, not sharing a bed etc...is fine...in theory. But if an unmarried couple are living together they bring a lot more un-needed temptations to their door than need be.
Furthermore, it is not good to be living in the 'appearance of sin' - their is a verse for that somewhere. In this day, if a couple live together, it is assumed they are sharing a bed, and presumably fornicating. This sends the wrong message to believers and non-believers a-like.

When does marriage (in God's eyes) occur?

After a ceremony recognised by Government. Offical...Paperwork.....all that jazz.


-Kath

 

[megaman125]

Living together is never explicitely stated as a sin in the Bible, but it's not the best idea, as it can open the door for temptations for actual sins.

 

[needmesomejesus]

Just a question, Is living together a sin or what one may assume is or isn't happening when living together. Just because two people are living together does not mean they are having sex.

 

[resurrection33]

It is a sin to have sex before you marry (Mark 7:20-23, Matt 5:28).

 

[quickfire]

It is a sin to have sex before you marry (Mark 7:20-23, Matt 5:28).

I read both scritutes you posted I can not see where it says it is sin .
Can you explain Why you see two becoiming One a sin befor marriage a sin from them two scripture you posted

 

[resurrection33]

I read both scritutes you posted I can not see where it says it is sin .
Can you explain Why you see two becoiming One a sin befor marriage a sin from them two scripture you posted

Jesus said fornication is a sin (Mark 7:20-23). He said it was even an act of adultery to look lustfully at another person (Matt 5:28).

 

[quickfire]

Jesus said fornication is a sin (Mark 7:20-23). He said it was even an act of adultery to look lustfully at another person (Matt 5:28).

The Greek word for fornication is porneía. It can refer to illicit sexual relations between either married or unmarried persons. The ancient Greeks, in rare instances, may have understood this term to denote acts other than illicit sexual intercourse between a man and a woman. But the sense in which Jesus used the word porneía at Matthew 5:32 and 19:9 must be ascertained from the context.
It should be noted that in Matthew chapters 5 and 19 "fornication" is used in the restricted sense of marital unfaithfulness, or illicit relations with another person not one's marriage mate. Just before bringing up the matter of divorce in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ pointed out that "everyone [married] that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matt. 5:28) Consequently, when he afterward alluded to a woman's committing fornication, his listeners would have understood this in its relative sense, namely, as signifying a married woman's prostitution or adultery.
The context of Matthew chapter 19 confirms this conclusion. On the basis of the Hebrew Scriptures, Jesus pointed out that a man and his wife became "one flesh," and then added: "What God has yoked together let no man put apart. Matt 19:5,6.

 

[quickfire]

can you see the bible is quite clear fornication is used in the term for one person in the relationship using the other person married or unmarried and as long as it does not happen in married or unmarried then there is no sin and it was not jesus who said fornication was sin it was peter .
yes peter was talking for god and peter was making it clear to all .

the bible also tells us if two people become one and one is a virgin the man must become married or pay the price for his sin a (marriage made in heaven.)

so what is that telling you well its telling you two can become one in union and fornication only happens when one person just wants to treat it as a one night stand .
in other words it is not nice just to chat a lady up and tell her you love her just for a one night stand.

so it is quite clear to you now

 

[Stephen63]

Just a question, Is living together a sin or what one may assume is or isn't happening when living together. Just because two people are living together does not mean they are having sex.

As stated before, the actual subject is shacking up, and means living together sexually.
I keep hearing that this is not adultery nor fornication, because there is no married person involved. However, fornication and adultery are sins not just because of sinning against a marriage partner, but because people rebel against God's plan concerning marriage. Fornicators rebel against God. So do adulterers.

 

[Strong1]

I agree with the original post thourghly. All the other stuff that came afterwards(no offence, Kenisyes) just feels wrong. Deeply. The Op posed the question, "is living together a sin?" What are you trying to condone here? That it is in fact marriage, for two people to live together? I'm somewhat confused...and that shows me that something is not right in what you are saying. If this is the measures in which you and your "wife" took, being saved , lived together first, then had a ceremony for what?.......if you were already married in God'd eyes? I guess we need to work out our own salvation with FEAR and TREMBLING!

I don't know all. Anytime things sound too much like the world, and a little bit like scripture, I am reminded of Satan in the Garden with Eve. "Did God say that you should not?.......You shall not surly die." Deceitful, cunning, distructive. Satan is such a liar.
Church. Wake up!
God bless you OP.

 

[needmesomejesus]

As stated before, the actual subject is shacking up, and means living together sexually.
I keep hearing that this is not adultery nor fornication, because there is no married person involved. However, fornication and adultery are sins not just because of sinning against a marriage partner, but because people rebel against God's plan concerning marriage. Fornicators rebel against God. So do adulterers.

Okay thanks for the clarification. All since rebel against God for the record. I'm not saying sex before marriage is not wrong, but a sin is a sin.

 

[Stephen63]

The reason I wrote the title the way I did, needmesomejesus, was to get both sides of the issue to read the thread. I knew that good Bible believing Christians would generally come to agreement about it's sinfulness, and those who believe in it would see the multitudes of witnesses against it. This is totally done for their edification.

 

[quickfire]

Love is a key element in our defenses against Satan’s attacks and devices (1 Thessalonians 5:8).

 

[Nike]

Ok - I think I'm ready to throw this out there, and see the responses. So, our western culture (amongst many others) have a ceremony and perform nuptuals.

Other cultures 'promise' or 'give' a wife - whether its chosen by the individuals, or an arrangement between parents. Most likely a contract is struck ; Wives are purchased.
Some have a ceremony, some don't. Not all unions are recorded per se, or registered like we do in North America. Thre are so many different practises among the nations.
When has marriage occurred?

I also come from the belief that God is involved in marriage, and covenant is made whether people believe in him or not. God always honours His word.
When has marriage occurred?

Prior to my husband and I becoming married, we lived up in the North in an outfitting ranch. (fly - in, literally in the wilderness) We were there for months; we met, fell in love, and he wanted to marry immediately. He believed that we could 'promise' before God and be married. I struggled with this, (we were both believers) and sought the word out on it; prayed asking the Lord, and never came up with a definate conclusion. As a result, with no 'green light/go ahead' - it affirmed my belief that marriage is when we say our promises in front of witnesses in a form of a ceremony.
This is also the law of our land. To me, this is when marriage occurred. (and it did!)

However, all this being said, culturally speaking, this is what my culture, and my laws dictate -- would I adhere to this belief if I were from another culture? Different government?
Just curious.

I think it's the same everywhere.. here in Indonesia, if an unmarried couple live together, neighbors would drag them out of the house and get them married (yeah, it's annoying how people get into other people's life.. )
in my culture (Chinese), even engagement is in front of witnesses.

 

[quickfire]

Love is the great commandment and one of the distinguishing marks of a true disciple of our Lord.

Ok i have shown you all clearly from
the bible what fornification meens and what context it was used in the bible by the apostles. we know that fornification meens to use some one betray the lords love and betray a loving relationship in a deceitful
way.

Now can someone show me where it says in the bible that two becoming one before the wedding is a sin Or described as fornification as thats what some hear have Said it is.

 

[pastel1]

I have read some who have talked about how the jews did marraige. And went to my bible,

Galations 2 :14
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Galations 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

[pastel1]

Galations 3:3-4
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

 

[quickfire]

E

Galations 3:3-4
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

Very good scripture quotes thank you for sharing but i struggle to see in both scriptures you posted that two becoiming one before marriage is mentioned Or a sin .

I am seeking the truth .

We are all sons of the light and sons of the day and god forgives those who truly want to be forgiven .
But what im not Happy about is all the millions of couples in a loving relationship treating it like marriage in the eyes of the Lord having to feel like they are living sin because they have not had a romantic wedding.

Weddings for me are beautiful and a lovely way of showing your love for one another and my favorite wedding of all time is William wallace in brave heart .
I also love the last wedding in our Royal family Prince William and Kate middleton .
.
I would also love it if some one could answer my previous post .

When two people become one in god eyes they are married . If you do not treat it as such then you ask for forgiveness.

 

[Stephen63]

E


Very good scripture quotes thank you for sharing but i struggle to see in both scriptures you posted that two becoiming one before marriage is mentioned Or a sin .

I am seeking the truth .

We are all sons of the light and sons of the day and god forgives those who truly want to be forgiven .
But what im not Happy about is all the millions of couples in a loving relationship treating it like marriage in the eyes of the Lord having to feel like they are living sin because they have not had a romantic wedding.

Weddings for me are beautiful and a lovely way of showing your love for one another and my favorite wedding of all time is William wallace in brave heart .
I also love the last wedding in our Royal family Prince William and Kate middleton .
.
I would also love it if some one could answer my previous post .

When two people become one in god eyes they are married . If you do not treat it as such then you ask for forgiveness.

From the Holman Bible Dictionary:
As a whole, the New Testament uses porneia, most often translated fornication, in at least four ways:
1. Voluntary sexual intercourse of an unmarried person with someone of the opposite sex (1 Cor. 7:2; 1 Thess. 4:3).
2. A synonym for adultery (Matt. 5:32; 19:9). See Adultery;
1 Corinthians 7:1-3 1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:

The terms 'wife' & 'husband' signify an actual marriage covenant, not a shack-up. This is why these problems are rampant in the church & society. Refusing marriage is refusing God's covenant for marriage. Those who shack-up do not honor the marriage covenant, therefore they are rebelling against God's plan for the family.

Not only this, but when a person shows more devotion toward their 'shackee' than to God they also commit Idolatry. When they confess "I can't live without him", that pretty well seals who they're devoted to. Let's also not forget about Concupiscence, which means Covetousness. Such rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft in God's eyes.

 

[progressivenerdgirl]

Frankly I hold that the Bible teaches that premarital sex and adultery are mortal offenses that merit capital punishment.
That being said one not need be 'legally' married by the pagan empire in order to be married in the eyes of God. So ask yourself: am I married to him/her? If the answer is yes it really does not matter if you filled out a bunch of tax forms for Moloch. But if the answer is no - even if you filled out your License to Exist forms - you are living as an insult to God.