IS LIVING TOGETHER A SIN?
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I often wonder if whom we choose in our youth is whom God has chosen for us . I had a ruff first marriage we did not stay together a full year . and I felt trapped and doomed to suffer in it until a friend in Christ brought up this question to me. I finally left him .marriage number two lasted only 22 years for our sons sake I remained in it . currently with my last man for my life my first husband has died so I think I am free to marry now and was not free with sons dad . never should of remarried with first husband living . my life with future husband # 3 requires divorce per laws of the land but we live together "celibate" while we wait for my final divorce decree ....but it is not gonna be okay as his first wife still lives and he had two wives in his life time We are each others #3..... if we stick to first marriage being forever til death He is not free yet...... I have a real desire to get this right for God but so far living single is the only thing that fits . Anyway every saint has a past and every sinner has a future and only God has my answer . those of you in first relationships have it easier than us older folks in multiple relationships over time .
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Man, I wish people would use words coherently. Sex is always sex. It's an objective term for copulative acts. It is not a curse word, or anything else, it is literally the most neutral term you can get outside of 'copulative acts'.
Connotation and denotation. 'Sex' may have a connotation you don't like, but it is objectively correct by denotation.
What I am saying here really has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with irrational word biases. I wonder how Christians are supposed to have meaningful opinions, and communicate them, if they have to speak around things like politicians.
Connotation and denotation. 'Sex' may have a connotation you don't like, but it is objectively correct by denotation.
What I am saying here really has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with irrational word biases. I wonder how Christians are supposed to have meaningful opinions, and communicate them, if they have to speak around things like politicians.
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Could you please explain this?
Divorce is allowable in the case of adultery (terminally), and remarriage is allowed after that. Also, if one party forces a civil divorce and the other party is blameless the party that is blameless may remarry. These are the only cases in which remarriage is permissible while the spouse still lives, however; and even these only if the civil magistrate prevents the execution of the offended party.
Divorce is allowable in the case of adultery (terminally), and remarriage is allowed after that. Also, if one party forces a civil divorce and the other party is blameless the party that is blameless may remarry. These are the only cases in which remarriage is permissible while the spouse still lives, however; and even these only if the civil magistrate prevents the execution of the offended party.
I'll stick my neck out here...My answer would be when two people, a man and a woman, take their vows publically before God and other witnesses. Without doing this, then the couple involved has no commitment or covenant in which bounds them together, nor do they have anyone to hold them accountable for their vows because there are none. Thus any one of the two can leave the relationship without any real consequences and fear not any condemnation from witnesses and leave the other hurt and broken.
1 Corinthians 8:9-13 9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. 13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
Do we see how this Scripture has a place in this thread? Basically anything that would cause a brother to be offended isn't worth doing. I believe that includes living together. For instance, let's say a couple has been living together for years. They visit a church and decide to join it. Because they're living together, the pastor or elders tell them they cannot join the church until they're married. What should they do?
What if they're allowed to join the church, but cannot hold a leadership position because of their situation? What should they do?
What if they're allowed to join the church, and allowed to hold positions, yet living together causes conflict in the church and hurts the feelings some of the members. What should they do?
What if this couple witnesses to some people to get saved, or counsels with someone in the church, only to find out their counsel was made useless because the people found out they were living together? What should they do?
To me, if anything I do stands in the way of my witness or hurts the reputation of Christ, then I need to change that. Anything that hurts my ministry or changes how other people look negatively at my church should be put aside at all costs. I see already in this thread it has hurt the witness of some.
Hebrews 12:1 1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Do we see how this Scripture has a place in this thread? Basically anything that would cause a brother to be offended isn't worth doing. I believe that includes living together. For instance, let's say a couple has been living together for years. They visit a church and decide to join it. Because they're living together, the pastor or elders tell them they cannot join the church until they're married. What should they do?
What if they're allowed to join the church, but cannot hold a leadership position because of their situation? What should they do?
What if they're allowed to join the church, and allowed to hold positions, yet living together causes conflict in the church and hurts the feelings some of the members. What should they do?
What if this couple witnesses to some people to get saved, or counsels with someone in the church, only to find out their counsel was made useless because the people found out they were living together? What should they do?
To me, if anything I do stands in the way of my witness or hurts the reputation of Christ, then I need to change that. Anything that hurts my ministry or changes how other people look negatively at my church should be put aside at all costs. I see already in this thread it has hurt the witness of some.
Hebrews 12:1 1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Some people still don't believe it's a sin. Sometimes using the scriptures from another view helps them to see the truth. To most people who posted in here, it's established. But who can predict whether the readers believe it or not? To those looking for answers, answers need to be given. If we are willing to give answers, we should give as many as we can. Who knows if the last one is the one that works?
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I don't remember the Bible ever saying living together is a sin. Sex before marriage is a sin, but is living under the same roof a sin? Anyone got a scripture for that? The only thing I can think of is avoiding the appearance of sin. But is living together in and of itself actually sinful?
Take Jacob and Rachel for example. I don't know if he lived in the same house as Rachel or not- but even if he did... if he never had sex with her, was it still a sin for him to live in her house, seems how he was there because of the circumstances of his life?
Take Jacob and Rachel for example. I don't know if he lived in the same house as Rachel or not- but even if he did... if he never had sex with her, was it still a sin for him to live in her house, seems how he was there because of the circumstances of his life?
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Okay... I will add monkey wrench...
I think the only way to DEAL WITH any of the scenarios you presented above... people as a whole are going to have to start recognizing the authority of Scripture and FIRSTLY be able to rightly recognize who is actually a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN. A "meat-eating" spirit Filled, Born Again Christian should be able to recognize another born again believer who is IN CHRIST and someone who is NOT. Only the Born again believer in Christ is subject to church discipline... all others are NOT IN CHRIST and therefore it is MOOT to be picking at their sins... when they really just need to be Born Again. SO until there is a significant change in the "church" TREND toward operating in the "fellowship" principals as outlined in scripture for those who are IN CHRIST... We can make up all kinds of "what if" scenarios... but to no real profit.
I think the only way to DEAL WITH any of the scenarios you presented above... people as a whole are going to have to start recognizing the authority of Scripture and FIRSTLY be able to rightly recognize who is actually a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN. A "meat-eating" spirit Filled, Born Again Christian should be able to recognize another born again believer who is IN CHRIST and someone who is NOT. Only the Born again believer in Christ is subject to church discipline... all others are NOT IN CHRIST and therefore it is MOOT to be picking at their sins... when they really just need to be Born Again. SO until there is a significant change in the "church" TREND toward operating in the "fellowship" principals as outlined in scripture for those who are IN CHRIST... We can make up all kinds of "what if" scenarios... but to no real profit.
I agree they need to recognize their condition. When a person is brought face to face to their sin, such as this one, it makes them consider if they are committing any others. When that happens, it will cause them to question their whole belief system. Before a person can get saved, they need to have a repentant heart. Conviction, the convincing of sin, brings souls to repentance. A purely religious person will have to question their beliefs once one of them is dashed to pieces. When they do, God can then deal with them.
