Porn Addiction/Marriage "Arrangement"

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Genipher

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That is true the word "Lust" has different meanings, however, it is not the word by it's self but the full context of the passage test and verse where it used.


as you used the Hebrew word nep̄eš = that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
Found in exodus 15:9
The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.

If we apply Nepes here as it is that which breathes you must ask does it fit the contextually? Because the text is speaking of war aginst the enemy of Moses and Gods people so when Moses says:

" my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them."

Does LUST here mean breathe? NOw the word Nepes also can be used as soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion.

Moses is saying HE has a strong desire to kill his enemy. That desire surely can be the same Lust one could have for HIS wife now it is?
SO to say I "Nepes" my wife would not be a good thing would it? Or you breathe in your wife?

Context The only way you can lust for a person is to be done in the flesh contextually. Therefore the bible is clear Lust of the flesh is never a good thing and it doesn't say as long as it is your wife or husband.
That was my point. Lust doesn't always mean something sexual and the word needs to be used in the right context. You said that lust was mentioned 19 times so I'm pointing out it's not always a sexual thing.

And I'm still going to point out the Song of Solomon as an example of lust in marriage.

Again, I'm wondering...do you think the gift Yahweh gave to married couples is supposed to be clinical and without desire? Were you raised to believe desire toward a spouse is sin?
 

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That was my point. Lust doesn't always mean something sexual and the word needs to be used in the right context. You said that lust was mentioned 19 times so I'm pointing out it's not always a sexual thing.

And I'm still going to point out the Song of Solomon as an example of lust in marriage.

Again, I'm wondering...do you think the gift Yahweh gave to married couples is supposed to be clinical and without desire? Were you raised to believe desire toward a spouse is sin?
Then your point of "I lust for my wife' cannot be used. because other meanings would not fit the context of" Lust".


WE MUST TAKE THE WORD IN CONTEXT AN APPLY IT as it is supposed to be or what fits best for clear interpretation of the sentence, verse, paragraph, chapter, Book, and the whole Bible Authorial intent helps with the application.
 

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Okay, then, let's take a closer look at the 19 instances of the word "lust", in the Bible. Because if you honestly look at what scripture and the old Greek/Hebrew is saying, you'll notice that the word doesn't mean the same thing every single time it's used.

In the Old Testament we have:

Exodus 15:9 and Psalm 78:18
the word lust here is nepesh, which means breathing and is derived from the word nâphash, which means to breathe.

In Psalm 78:30 the word lust is Ta’ăvâh and means: longing, delight, satisfaction

In Psalm 81:12 the word lust is Sheriyrûwth, which means: twisted

Proverbs 6:25 is châmad which, again, means to delight in

New Testament:

Matthew 5:28 and James 4:2 the word in Greek is ĕpithumĕō and it means: to set the heart upon, long for

Romans 1:27 the word lust is ōrĕxis and means: excitement of the mind, longing after

We have ĕpithumia which means: a longing in these verses:
Romans 7:7
Galations 5:16
James 1:14
James 1:15
2 Peter 1:4
2 Peter 2:10
1 John 2:16 (twice used)
1 John 2:17

And interestingly enough, the word lust, or pathŏs in
1 Thessalonians 4:5
actually means suffering!

Oh, and the Strong's doesn't list a Greek definition for the word lust in 1 Corinthians 10:6.

The Bible does show lust in the context of marriage. Have you not read the Song of Solomon? It is full of love-making, longing, and desire. The very definition of lust! I'm curious, do you think sex is supposed to be a clinical act, with no emotion involved? I mean, if a husband and wife don't crave each other then they probably won't be engaging in the gift that Yahweh gave. Which THEN puts them in a position of sin (1 Corinthians 7:5).

At any rate, in the context of marriage, it is perfectly normal and right to desire the body of one's spouse. To "long for" my husband is not a perversion.

I did not interject or twist scripture to make it what I want it to be. Grab a Strong's Concordance (there's a free one online if you don't have a physical copy) and dig into the verses I've shared. Check out what the original languages meant when they referred to lust. It (usually) just means longing. And depending on the context of the scripture, that longing can be negative or positive.
Look up the other verses that use the same Greek or Hebrew words and you'll see that the Greek words ARE used in other situations that have nothing to do with sex. For example, châmad (lust) being used to describe a whoring woman AND used to describe the "goodly" (lust) clothes that Rebekah put on Jacob.
I have gone through the verses you have provided none of which can be applied in a godly relationship or marriage.

There is no scripture that says Jacob Lusted for his wife. Jacob lusted for Rachel BEFORE HE Married her, and if he had not been so lustful he would have known it was Leah in the bed, not Rachel.
 

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Interesting that you're putting assumptions in my marriage.

Yes, my husband and I lust for each other.
We also agape each other. We're best friends. We would die for each other.

I'm close to 40. My husband is older than me. If he gets so old his parts "don't work" anymore, my love for him won't change. Our relationship isn't based solely on sex. Sex is just the icing on the cake, so to speak.

Who hurt you so badly that you have such a negative view of marriage and the marriage bed?? Why such a cynical attitude towards men?
interesting that you call it lust though

what makes you think its the same as love?
your love for him maybe wont change but how do you know his wont change for you.

as thousands of men the world over do, who look at porn. and its not just one woman, it could involve children, same sex, or multiple partners.

do you even know what men do when they look at porn. They aint doing those same things in the marriage bed. If they are and you invite cameras and stuff in, and degrade yourself, then thats your issue.

dont take what I said the wrong way...but you shouldnt call things lust when they are not.
 

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I have gone through the verses you have provided none of which can be applied in a godly relationship or marriage.

There is no scripture that says Jacob Lusted for his wife. Jacob lusted for Rachel BEFORE HE Married her, and if he had not been so lustful he would have known it was Leah in the bed, not Rachel.
It must have been quite dark in that room with Leah, Maybe the guy was drunk.
 

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song of solomon wasnt lust. It was all encompassing love in the song for each other.

when someone is watching porn or someone is doing porn, for cameras etc, it is not singing of love or calling for each other. There is none of that. Dont kid yourself that porn is about love or helps a marriage.
 

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song of solomon wasnt lust. It was all encompassing love in the song for each other.

when someone is watching porn or someone is doing porn, for cameras etc, it is not singing of love or calling for each other. There is none of that. Dont kid yourself that porn is about love or helps a marriage.
I'm not saying porn is ok.
The meaning of lust is desire.
There is nothing sinful about a woman desiring her husband.

Outside of marriage? Lust (sexual desire) is sinful.
 

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song of solomon wasnt lust. It was all encompassing love in the song for each other.

when someone is watching porn or someone is doing porn, for cameras etc, it is not singing of love or calling for each other. There is none of that. Dont kid yourself that porn is about love or helps a marriage.
And I never, ever advocating allowing porn in marriage. Stop putting words in my mouth.
 

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haha it is porn thats actually clinical. as its without love.

desire is neither here nor there. when people reach puberty they might desire all the time cos their hormones are raging. You can have desire in a pill apparently!
 

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this thread was about porn in marriage.

dont know why you were trying to make it out like you had it in yours?!
 

Genipher

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this thread was about porn in marriage.

dont know why you were trying to make it out like you had it in yours?!
I wasn't. YOU said you dont want to be lusted after. I said I dont mind my HUSBAND lusting after me.
The original idea of this thread got slightly derailed.
There is no porn in my marriage. Just a good dose of healthy lust..excuse me "desire" 🙄 towards my husband, and he towards me. Lust aka desire can be a good thing in the proper context. Porn is never ok, no matter the context.

Have I cleared that up?
 

Genipher

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haha it is porn thats actually clinical. as its without love.

desire is neither here nor there. when people reach puberty they might desire all the time cos their hormones are raging. You can have desire in a pill apparently!
Yes, but some Christians are raised to believe that sex is sinful, no matter what. And that sex in marriage should only be a tool for procreating. They view it clinically. 🤷‍♀️
 

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I dont want to hold you up!! No one can spend all day in here lol
And I think you idea for the thread sounds wonderful! I tried to message you but it wouldn't let me. Have a blessed day!
Hi.

Yeah, I can't message anyone either, unless they start the conversation. I've tried to become a paid member here several times, just to be able to start private conversations, but, for some unknown reason, this website won't allow me to become one.

I'm sorry, but things are really hectic for me right now. I'm divorced (not by choice), with three children, and my ex is currently out of the country for two weeks, so I'm doing double-time as a parent. My eldest child (18) flew out of state this morning with 3 of her friends for a 6 day vacation, and I'm headed out of state tomorrow with my two other children (15 and 13) for a 5 day vacation, so things are a bit hectic in that regard. I'm also involved in other God-related conversations via email, social media, and phone calls at the moment, so I really am strapped for time.

Anyhow, I'm thinking that when I do start the thread that I'll start it here in this section of the forum because this area seems to be more geared towards those who are seeking help from different types of problems as opposed to the Bible Discussion Forum which is basically a war zone. I'm not into strife and contention (even though I'm oftentimes embroiled in it), so I'd much rather just try to help people in a less visited area of the forum like this.

I know that I said earlier that I should be able to start the thread in about two or three days, but that might have been overly optimistic of me. Again, I will be out of state with my children for 5 days starting tomorrow, but they generally sleep a lot more than I do, so I might be able to work on starting the thread while they're asleep. I tend to be very thorough when discussing a topic, and that's why it's going to take me some time to get it started properly.

Well, that's about it for now. Like I said earlier, you're in my prayers.

Ttyl.
 

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I'm not saying porn is ok.
The meaning of lust is desire.
There is nothing sinful about a woman desiring her husband.

Outside of marriage? Lust (sexual desire) is sinful.
lust is an ungodly desire that is the biblical context. We are told to Flee from lustful desires. You need to understand that fire is not to be played with Lust will drive one to sin and can force one to marry the wrong woman or man for the purpose of LUSTING after them.

Try to slice the word of god and Lust all you want. Jesus said lust is bad, Provbers, Paul, James, Peter, And John.
 

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I wasn't. YOU said you dont want to be lusted after. I said I dont mind my HUSBAND lusting after me.
The original idea of this thread got slightly derailed.
There is no porn in my marriage. Just a good dose of healthy lust..excuse me "desire" 🙄 towards my husband, and he towards me. Lust aka desire can be a good thing in the proper context. Porn is never ok, no matter the context.

Have I cleared that up?
FYI there is a lot of porn in a lot of marriages because there are a lot of men who have issues with it in Marriages.

Porn with a single man hurts himself when he brings it into his marriage it hurts his wife. Lust is never satisfied.
 

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Poor Leah, even though she had several children with Jacob, she wasnt loved.
Guy must've had a screw loose not being aware who he was sleeping with. I don't blame Leah at all for what happen. You are right in saying that Leah wasn't loved too. Very sad. Guy must've been stoned by not knowing who he was actually in bed with.
 

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I'm not saying porn is ok.
The meaning of lust is desire.
There is nothing sinful about a woman desiring her husband.

Outside of marriage? Lust (sexual desire) is sinful.
I would classify lust within marriage towards one's spouse as desire, and that is a very healthy thing to have.
 

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song of solomon wasnt lust. It was all encompassing love in the song for each other.

when someone is watching porn or someone is doing porn, for cameras etc, it is not singing of love or calling for each other. There is none of that. Dont kid yourself that porn is about love or helps a marriage.
I fully concur with your estimation.
 

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I would classify lust within marriage towards one's spouse as desire, and that is a very healthy thing to have.
why not then use the word desire instead of Lust? the Bible uses The word desire 111 times over the term lust IF desire means =tᵊšûqâ in the Hebrew


of man for woman