The lockdowns accomplished absolutely nothing!

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EleventhHour

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Please give and example of a viruses "wave", and why has this never, ever, ever, ever, been a problem before? Why do you fear these things so much now all of a sudden when with the more data we get, the lower the mortality rate turns out to be, the bigger the infection rate was anyway, and the more we see this "lock down" was honestly way too late anyway, and how MUCH more of the population was actually infected with it without even knowing. I believe the media has fueled this hysteria to the levels we see it now, and these "experts" and leaders we put in charge of everything have been wrong about everything, all the time, but you say trust they still?

Nothing they've said or given us ever turns out accurate at all, now they go from pouring gas on the Covid fire, strait to dumping it out on this racism thing, they are the fuel that feeds these burning cities. Make no mistake there is racism in the US right now no doubt, I see it on TV all the time now, there is a bigoted attitude and call for violence against a whole "race" of people, but it's not brown people, it's not black people, nor immigrants, illegals, gays, trans, or Asians, The racism is only aimed at and shouted for against one group of people, the white people, period, that is the ONLY group of people the you can openly condemn and call the "cause of every injustice in history,... ever") The only race you can get on cable TV and say things like "white men are ‘the biggest terror threat in this country", and no one makes a peep, in fact if you do call the racism against white people out, you are told that minorities "can't be racist" because they don't have power. Really, you can't hate another group of people because of their color? That doesn't even make sense? Denial and deception fueled by emotions not facts.

As a little thought experiment lets remove "white" and replace it with ANY OTHER color or group, do you thing "black men are ‘the biggest terror threat in this country'", would fly even for a second? Why is it acceptable to speak against white men this way? Why the double standard? This whole idea around that "group identity" completely negating any and all personal responsibility is wrong period. It was WRONG for a cop to hold a person down with a knee in the neck until he dies begging for his life. This cop should be brought to justice, and if found guilty then by Gods standards this man would be put to death. But this happening in no way justifies anyone else to break into stores, steal, and loot the literally stone a man in the streets of Dallas. Every single person found breaking a law should be brought to justice. I HATE this mentality that "because I'm mad I get to got rob rape plunder, loot, and kill. We should be judged by what we do, there are no "excuses" for evil, we must be better than this and the Christian needs to raise his/her voices loudly, boldly, and in love to call these things out. As a matter of fact I';m about to record something to post. I pray all His children are empowered to go proclaim His word loudly in truth, and don't forget the power or prayer.
Not really sure what the second and third paragraphs are about... not related to my comment as all.

The lock down occurred for two reason ... to buy time for the health care system to put precautions, PPE and supports in place. and to learn more about the virus since a new virus is not easily understood... and one cannot trust information from China
 

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I know I went into a media tangent because of the way you seem to embrace everything they tell you, when thier track record through this thing has been about 0%. That trust the the "2nd wave is gonna get us", kind of ignited it straight into the chaotic hatred they're fueling now, sorry. Anyway back on topic.

Not really sure what the second and third paragraphs are about... not related to my comment as all.

The lock down occurred for two reason ... to buy time for the health care system to put precautions, PPE and supports in place. and to learn more about the virus since a new virus is not easily understood... and one cannot trust information from China


Which is absolutely great if cause in time, but this "experiment" has show that, in hindsight, these decision crippled everything for little to no reason. The point ":to buy time for the health care system to put precautions", which turned out completely wrong, and "PPE and supports in place", which was WAY overkill and wrong. When to these liars and "experts" that consistently get everything wrong, when do they get called out for causing the panic? I don't mean prosecuted or strung up, but man if they are that off, that bad at estimating these things by this order of magnitude, when do they get called out? Or at least stop listening to them, and calling them experts at least.

Now to be told, or for it to even be hinted at, that those who are looking at the numbers, who are weighing the cost to benefit of this whole thing, and thinking that maybe this was a gross overreaction, and not even nearly as effective as it was meant to be, and WAY more destructive, because the virus wasn't even close to being as dangerous as we were told, again I understand the precaution side of this, at the time we didn't know, so these steps taken were natural giving the WAY wrong estimates the "experts" were giving. Then if I don't trust the talking heads anymore, and if I say lets live life with faith, I'm told, or "asked" if I "even care about lives". You did this to someone in this very thread, as if your position on this matter holds exclusively all "caring about life". (I know you didn't mean it ugly, you are a very smart member and conduct yourself well, but even you did this a few comments back) Really? Does your position grant you moral superiority? How bout' dis. Do you care about all the live ruined and taken by suicide because everything collapsed around them? Those that lost everything then killed themselves? Guess you don't care about them right? Is that fair for me to shoot that at you?

Now do you think we are to go into lock down every flu season? Twice a year? Are we to live our lives in constant fear now? How about mandated by law to always were mask and stay 6 feet from everyone at all times under penalty of law? Why? What's really changed but the political climate? I don't want the government telling me I can go buy my weed, but church is a "no no", THAT is what's scary, some of the power and overreach some of these leaders are showing, the democratic lead cities are by far the worst. Look at the fruit. Yet they're the ones given the most airtime and defended by this Media. Anyway my main point with you is you seem to be very very trusting of these experts with a record so bad, if they claimed to be prophets in the OT times, they would have been stoned to death many times over with their false prophecies. Just saying truth matters.
 

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Not really sure what the second and third paragraphs are about... not related to my comment as all.

The lock down occurred for two reason ... to buy time for the health care system to put precautions, PPE and supports in place. and to learn more about the virus since a new virus is not easily understood... and one cannot trust information from China
I agree with your analysis of the situation.
 

EleventhHour

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I know I went into a media tangent because of the way you seem to embrace everything they tell you, when thier track record through this thing has been about 0%. That trust the the "2nd wave is gonna get us", kind of ignited it straight into the chaotic hatred they're fueling now, sorry. Anyway back on topic.





Which is absolutely great if cause in time, but this "experiment" has show that, in hindsight, these decision crippled everything for little to no reason. The point ":to buy time for the health care system to put precautions", which turned out completely wrong, and "PPE and supports in place", which was WAY overkill and wrong. When to these liars and "experts" that consistently get everything wrong, when do they get called out for causing the panic? I don't mean prosecuted or strung up, but man if they are that off, that bad at estimating these things by this order of magnitude, when do they get called out? Or at least stop listening to them, and calling them experts at least.

Now to be told, or for it to even be hinted at, that those who are looking at the numbers, who are weighing the cost to benefit of this whole thing, and thinking that maybe this was a gross overreaction, and not even nearly as effective as it was meant to be, and WAY more destructive, because the virus wasn't even close to being as dangerous as we were told, again I understand the precaution side of this, at the time we didn't know, so these steps taken were natural giving the WAY wrong estimates the "experts" were giving. Then if I don't trust the talking heads anymore, and if I say lets live life with faith, I'm told, or "asked" if I "even care about lives". You did this to someone in this very thread, as if your position on this matter holds exclusively all "caring about life". (I know you didn't mean it ugly, you are a very smart member and conduct yourself well, but even you did this a few comments back) Really? Does your position grant you moral superiority? How bout' dis. Do you care about all the live ruined and taken by suicide because everything collapsed around them? Those that lost everything then killed themselves? Guess you don't care about them right? Is that fair for me to shoot that at you?

Now do you think we are to go into lock down every flu season? Twice a year? Are we to live our lives in constant fear now? How about mandated by law to always were mask and stay 6 feet from everyone at all times under penalty of law? Why? What's really changed but the political climate? I don't want the government telling me I can go buy my weed, but church is a "no no", THAT is what's scary, some of the power and overreach some of these leaders are showing, the democratic lead cities are by far the worst. Look at the fruit. Yet they're the ones given the most airtime and defended by this Media. Anyway my main point with you is you seem to be very very trusting of these experts with a record so bad, if they claimed to be prophets in the OT times, they would have been stoned to death many times over with their false prophecies. Just saying truth matters.
Guess you don't care about them right?
Wow, you know nothing about me and what I do, who I trust and who I do not trust, my background and my knowledge base .. this conversation is now over.
 

EleventhHour

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I agree with your analysis of the situation.
A miracle :)

Maybe the lock down went on too long, .. hard to say, you know hindsight is 20/20

I really think my main point all along as everyone here has come against me... is Americans and Canadians need to be more self sufficient. not government reliant.... prepared for these situations which are bound to occur and everyone including the government needs to stop being over leveraged.

And people need to stop being snowflakes and gain some resiliency
 

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Wow, you know nothing about me and what I do, who I trust and who I do not trust, my background and my knowledge base .. this conversation is now over.
Nope, only went off what you're saying here. All you can do on a text based thread. What exactly was I so far off on? You are right I don't know you, but I have read everything to have commented on and based my assessment of your beliefs on that. You can say "you don'y even know me" and storm off, but you never even told me what part I was wrong on and just give me a thumbs down. And haven't answered a single question I asked. Nope I guess you just act as if you are morally superior and we need to fall in line with what you believe, and that just so happens to be the same exact thing the "experts" on TV tell us to do. Where am I wrong?
 

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I don't care what your so called experts say. The virus is real, and it is deadly. I pray that none of you naysayers, friends, and families get it. I also pray that you become the next casualty.

Last week forty new cases at nearby LTC. Three have died to date. There were no cases the week before. Employee who did not know he had the virus was the source.

I'm not a big fan of the shutdown, but I believe it was necessary to allow us to get a handle on how it's really spread, and who is most at risk. We knew the risks and how to deal with at the end of April, but we lacked the testing capability to put them in place. Testing is now in place in most critical areas.
Sorry Bold type is correction. Thanks, Godsgirl.
 

EleventhHour

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Nope, only went off what you're saying here. All you can do on a text based thread. What exactly was I so far off on? You are right I don't know you, but I have read everything to have commented on and based my assessment of your beliefs on that. You can say "you don'y even know me" and storm off, but you never even told me what part I was wrong on and just give me a thumbs down. And haven't answered a single question I asked. Nope I guess you just act as if you are morally superior and we need to fall in line with what you believe, and that just so happens to be the same exact thing the "experts" on TV tell us to do. Where am I wrong?
Well I did not storm off...... I walked off the set.
 

1christian1

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nah, don't need the propaganda. independent media is the way to go...

and, did the mainstream media report the low negative test rate?? when i do see what they are saying is " 2nd wave coming" , " virus still spreading" , " not going back to normal again".

i'll pass on all that.

In fact they did and they do report the decline (in detail) as they predicted. See what you're missing? LOL
 

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Well I did not storm off...... I walked off the set.
potato, poe-tot-o. Refuse any further dialog because???
Oh yea won't even clearly state why, but it doesn't really matter I guess. I am sorry if I offended you, you've made some pretty straight forward assertive statements in this thread so I kind of assumed I could come straight forward to you too, but I didn't mean to be disrespectful at all, and if it came across too aggressive or sarcastic then I do apologize. I actually agree with a lot of what you say, I just think it seems you put a bit too much trust in the government, but that's just my opinion, and I defiantly do not KNOW, nor do I want to offend or fight with you over it. So I am sorry, and hope you have a great day.
 

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potato, poe-tot-o. Refuse any further dialog because???
Oh yea won't even clearly state why, but it doesn't really matter I guess. I am sorry if I offended you, you've made some pretty straight forward assertive statements in this thread so I kind of assumed I could come straight forward to you too, but I didn't mean to be disrespectful at all, and if it came across too aggressive or sarcastic then I do apologize. I actually agree with a lot of what you say, I just think it seems you put a bit too much trust in the government, but that's just my opinion, and I defiantly do not KNOW, nor do I want to offend or fight with you over it. So I am sorry, and hope you have a great day.
Just clarify, I am Canadian and no I do not trust government.
However, I do trust some published research driven science.
 

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Maybe the lock down went on too long, .. hard to say, you know hindsight is 20/20
The lock downs should not even have been initiated, never mind about going on too long. And, no, hindsight is NOT 20/20 in this case.

I have been posting on this BOGUS PANDEMIC LOCK DOWN almost since the start. And you have been mocking and trying to support the so-called experts.

These same experts had an agenda and a conspiracy, and the proof is in the fact that they actually ATTACKED the effective HCQ/erythromycin/zinc sulfate to promote the ineffective Remdesivir from Gilead. As far as I'm concerned that was criminal sabotage, since many lives were lost because of greed and self-serving politics.

Here's documentation of HCQ being attacked.

Summary
On March 19, at a White House briefing, President Trump “touted” chloroquine (hydroxychloroquine is chloroquine metabolite) for possible use against COVID-19. The very next day, a media operation was launched to deny this treatment to the public. Several fake news outlets published articles, saying things like this (NYT, March 20):
Trump’s Embrace of Unproven Drugs to Treat Coronavirus Defies Science
Doctors and patients also worry that the president’s rosy outlook for the treatments will exacerbate shortages of old malaria drugs relied on by patients with lupus and other debilitating conditions.
Referring to this as a media operation is appropriate because multiple outlets repeated the same false talking points. At that time
  • The use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 already had scientific support, although not to the level required for FDA approval of a new drug; but HCQ was already approved.
  • The fact that hospitals had already been increasing their supply of HCQ and CQ before President’s briefing was an additional indication that medical professionals believed in the drugs’ usefulness against COVID-19.
  • There were no shortages of HCQ or CQ for lupus & RA patients at that time.
  • Multiple pharma companies announced an increase in HCQ manufacturing and substantial donations of HCQ.
  • Even without these increases, the HCQ amounts required for COVID-19 patients were too small to impact the supply for other users.
This false alarm had all the behavioral characteristics of the Democrat-Socialist operatives: pitting groups of citizens against each other, sowing fear and division, and hoping that the conflict would damage President Trump. In this case, they incited lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients against current and future COVID-19 victims. Google, Facebook, Twitter, and Microsoft support the fake new media financially, send web traffic to them, and endorse them to some extent. Amplified by Big Tech, the announcement of HCQ shortage caused a vicious spiral: panic buying by lupus patients, which led to actual shortages, which amplified the panic buying and so on. Then the blame was directed at COVID-19 patients and their physicians prescribing HCQ for them...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/11/distributed-denial-of-hcq-to-covid-19-victims/
 

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Just clarify, I am Canadian and no I do not trust government.
However, I do trust some published research driven science.
I used to live in Detroit and have been across the Detroit river into Windsor a few times. Saw Niagara Falls twice on the Canadian side. Stayed in Sarnia too. Ontario is the only province that I was in but it seemed to be kind of a laid back version of what the US used to be or should be.
 

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The lockdowns accomplished nothing but giving governments sickening power. The Israeli mathematician was completely correct many weeks ago in sayimng the virus will run the exact course regardless of lockdown or no lockdowm.. BTW. The lockdown has not ended where I live. Proving this isn't about health at all.

Italian officials: Coronavirus losing potency, “clinically no longer exists” in country
by Peter Heck · Jun 1st, 2020 10:10 am
According to hospital officials in one of Italy's hardest hit regions, new infections of coronavirus in the country are showing a staggering decline in potency and the virus has become far less lethal. The head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan delivered the encouraging news in an interview with RAI television.

"In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," said Alberto Zangrillo.​
While lead health officials in Italy's government were calling for continued caution, Zangrillo detailed what doctors on the front lines were seeing in the latest testing.
"The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago," he told RAI television.​
This information would seem to explain the precipitous drop in infections and fatalities occurring in Italy throughout the month of May. It also corroborates the testimony of Matteo Bassetti, the head of infectious diseases at the San Martino hospital in the northern Italian city of Genoa.
"The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today. It is clear that today the COVID-19 disease is different," Bassetti said.​



 

Gregoryp

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please! for those of you confused, please listen to this ladies press conference, it will clear up any confusion of fear you may have, its really that simple
 

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Where I live near DC, there has been a big decline in cases the last few days. One reason there is a big decline is because people in the DC area have been a good job on quarantining (except for the riots). However, it is still too early to call victory. We still need to wear masks, social distance, and avoid unnecessary trips. We still do not have a standard treatment/protocol even if some do show success (there has been a backlash against HCQ). The virus is still rampant is some states and some countries. The virus moves. Once all the travel restrictions are gone and places become crowded, there might indeed be another wave.
 

1christian1

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please! for those of you confused, please listen to this ladies press conference, it will clear up any confusion of fear you may have, its really that simple
This woman is a comedian, Right? what's her name...