AMERICAN HEALTH CARE ACT
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So, if I get the kid down the street to clean up my garden, I have to pay his health insurance? Or, I was a small business, and was considering hiring someone for 10 hours a week. Pay that person's insurance? I also see the Big Mac doubling in price. 
down the street, then there is no pension to pay out.
If however you employed a gardener x number of hours per week every week, then you are
looking at dealing with their regular salary, tax, pension etc.
On the other hand if they are self employed rather than your employee, then they have to
take care of their own tax, pension stuff.
I thought the goal of any new healthcare program was to provide healthcare for those who cannot afford it. Where I live, that is done at the ER of our local hospital. The care provided is paid for by block payments from the state, a foundation fund that covers some specialized care, and the paying patients. We have a state/county funded health department that provides some non emergency care including birth control (non abortive) services. If a person is not on some type of insurance, routine healthcare is not available unless he pays up front. This was before and after Obamacare, and will be the same after Trumpcare as it is now being pushed. Guess what? The lower middle class workers will still be the losers.
The Fortune 500 Corporations are Marxist.
I know this because they pay their employees very good wages. Give them very nice benefits packages, as well as matching 401-K savings accounts, and stock options. Clearly, this sinful sharing of Corporation profits with employees is Marxist and MUST be stamped out!
Loads of Small Businesses around the Nation are Marxist.
I know this because they pay their employees good wages. They give them Vacation Days/Sick Days, and, if at all possible, Medical Benefits. And, curses of curses, if the employees are loyal and hard working, they give them pay raises.......and, the worst act of all.......they give them Christmas Bonuses. Surely they are horrible Marxist and MUST be destroyed! How dare them reward their employees for loyalty and hard work, and do so by sharing in their Profits.
ALL UNIONS are Marxist.
I know this because.........well, shoot, because they are. And all of their Members are but pawns in their Marxist activities.
So, don't worry Ricky.............it appears you and your Marxist ideologies are in pretty good company right here in the good old US of A.
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I know this because they pay their employees very good wages. Give them very nice benefits packages, as well as matching 401-K savings accounts, and stock options. Clearly, this sinful sharing of Corporation profits with employees is Marxist and MUST be stamped out!
Loads of Small Businesses around the Nation are Marxist.
I know this because they pay their employees good wages. They give them Vacation Days/Sick Days, and, if at all possible, Medical Benefits. And, curses of curses, if the employees are loyal and hard working, they give them pay raises.......and, the worst act of all.......they give them Christmas Bonuses. Surely they are horrible Marxist and MUST be destroyed! How dare them reward their employees for loyalty and hard work, and do so by sharing in their Profits.
ALL UNIONS are Marxist.
I know this because.........well, shoot, because they are. And all of their Members are but pawns in their Marxist activities.
So, don't worry Ricky.............it appears you and your Marxist ideologies are in pretty good company right here in the good old US of A.
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Evidently God is Marxist too.
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I will be honest, I am not in favor of any government run health care system.
I am in favor of anything that will lower health care costs... There was a time in this country doctors cared more about the sick that what they got payed. and unless someone took advantage of it, Would care no matter what..
I am not in favor of paying people to be homeless who are able bodied.. If you can work, work.
However, there are people who physically can not work at times, I am all for helping them out..
I am in favor of anything that will lower health care costs... There was a time in this country doctors cared more about the sick that what they got payed. and unless someone took advantage of it, Would care no matter what..
I am not in favor of paying people to be homeless who are able bodied.. If you can work, work.
However, there are people who physically can not work at times, I am all for helping them out..
I can understand where Ricky is coming from.
I believe people should get paid appropriately for the work they do. Now then... "appropriately" is such a subjective term. Walmart thinks minimum wage and less than full time to avoid health care costs is an "appropriate" wage. My opinion, even with 40 hours a week, minimum wage is not enough for a person of one to live independently from any assistance. I don't think it's appropriate and I would never apply to work for Walmart. However, I have that luxury of saying I won't apply there because... well, I make enough money (thank God).
For those saying, "But you two people agree to a contract. It's fair!"... Remember, indentured servants were men and women that mutually agreed to work as well. I wouldn't say their fruit received matched the intensity of their labor... in my opinion. I won't speak for Ricky, but something tells me he doesn't think indentured servants received the full fruit of their labor either.
I understand they could ultimately choose to NOT agree to work for pennies on the dollar, but I think it is anti-biblical to "economically prostitute" someone... I call it "economic prostituting" instead of "economic rape" because prostitutes do technically mutually agree to do it... But I think it's important to look at why people are doing it. Let's look at illegal immigrants who come here to work as for why they choose to get paid pennies on the dollar for what everyone else is getting paid (that is legal).
In illegal immigration threads, you'll see me say the same thing. I am against illegal immigration for a multitude of reasons, one being: white collar criminals are paying them pennies on the dollar. It's not just wrong because they are illegally hiring someone... it's also wrong because they are taking advantage of someone who is perhaps desperate, trying to make a living for himself and/or his family. Now, his desperation doesn't make the law invalid, the law still needs to be upheld and the illegal immigrant needs to be deported. I don't feel good about the illegal immigrant being screwed out of money by the white collar criminal simply because "he/she came over here illegally"... =/
I think the biggest difference you guys have with Ricky isn't that he is a Marxist (at least I don't know that he is), but it's that he has a different measure of what is an "appropriate wage". I would like to think 100% of us here are against indentured servants (where there is a mutual agreement), but are still capable of seeing that "paying" someone a wage doesn't necessarily make it morally acceptable because there was an agreement.
I believe people should get paid appropriately for the work they do. Now then... "appropriately" is such a subjective term. Walmart thinks minimum wage and less than full time to avoid health care costs is an "appropriate" wage. My opinion, even with 40 hours a week, minimum wage is not enough for a person of one to live independently from any assistance. I don't think it's appropriate and I would never apply to work for Walmart. However, I have that luxury of saying I won't apply there because... well, I make enough money (thank God).
For those saying, "But you two people agree to a contract. It's fair!"... Remember, indentured servants were men and women that mutually agreed to work as well. I wouldn't say their fruit received matched the intensity of their labor... in my opinion. I won't speak for Ricky, but something tells me he doesn't think indentured servants received the full fruit of their labor either.
I understand they could ultimately choose to NOT agree to work for pennies on the dollar, but I think it is anti-biblical to "economically prostitute" someone... I call it "economic prostituting" instead of "economic rape" because prostitutes do technically mutually agree to do it... But I think it's important to look at why people are doing it. Let's look at illegal immigrants who come here to work as for why they choose to get paid pennies on the dollar for what everyone else is getting paid (that is legal).
In illegal immigration threads, you'll see me say the same thing. I am against illegal immigration for a multitude of reasons, one being: white collar criminals are paying them pennies on the dollar. It's not just wrong because they are illegally hiring someone... it's also wrong because they are taking advantage of someone who is perhaps desperate, trying to make a living for himself and/or his family. Now, his desperation doesn't make the law invalid, the law still needs to be upheld and the illegal immigrant needs to be deported. I don't feel good about the illegal immigrant being screwed out of money by the white collar criminal simply because "he/she came over here illegally"... =/
I think the biggest difference you guys have with Ricky isn't that he is a Marxist (at least I don't know that he is), but it's that he has a different measure of what is an "appropriate wage". I would like to think 100% of us here are against indentured servants (where there is a mutual agreement), but are still capable of seeing that "paying" someone a wage doesn't necessarily make it morally acceptable because there was an agreement.
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The Fortune 500 Corporations are Marxist.
I know this because they pay their employees very good wages. Give them very nice benefits packages, as well as matching 401-K savings accounts, and stock options. Clearly, this sinful sharing of Corporation profits with employees is Marxist and MUST be stamped out!
Loads of Small Businesses around the Nation are Marxist.
I know this because they pay their employees good wages. They give them Vacation Days/Sick Days, and, if at all possible, Medical Benefits. And, curses of curses, if the employees are loyal and hard working, they give them pay raises.......and, the worst act of all.......they give them Christmas Bonuses. Surely they are horrible Marxist and MUST be destroyed! How dare them reward their employees for loyalty and hard work, and do so by sharing in their Profits.
ALL UNIONS are Marxist.
I know this because.........well, shoot, because they are. And all of their Members are but pawns in their Marxist activities.
So, don't worry Ricky.............it appears you and your Marxist ideologies are in pretty good company right here in the good old US of A.
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I know this because they pay their employees very good wages. Give them very nice benefits packages, as well as matching 401-K savings accounts, and stock options. Clearly, this sinful sharing of Corporation profits with employees is Marxist and MUST be stamped out!
Loads of Small Businesses around the Nation are Marxist.
I know this because they pay their employees good wages. They give them Vacation Days/Sick Days, and, if at all possible, Medical Benefits. And, curses of curses, if the employees are loyal and hard working, they give them pay raises.......and, the worst act of all.......they give them Christmas Bonuses. Surely they are horrible Marxist and MUST be destroyed! How dare them reward their employees for loyalty and hard work, and do so by sharing in their Profits.
ALL UNIONS are Marxist.
I know this because.........well, shoot, because they are. And all of their Members are but pawns in their Marxist activities.
So, don't worry Ricky.............it appears you and your Marxist ideologies are in pretty good company right here in the good old US of A.
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Not everyone has what it takes to work for a company like that... but if I was a young kid again, I'd swing for the fences to work for a company that respects and cares for their employees like that.
46 verses, straight out of scripture, unadulterated/commented/interpreted, that very clearly say DO NOT HORDE RICHES and PAY YOUR WORKERS A FAIR WAGE. God is not ambivalent about that. He makes that point CLEARLY AND REPEATEDLY.
Any and ALL arguments counter to that are clearly and unmistakably AGAINST THE WILL OF GOD.
When God says to abstain from sexual sin do we say "hey it's my body I'll do with it what I want"? No.
So when God says "do not horde riches and pay a fair wage', why do we argue "hey it's my money I'll do with it what I want"?
Because we have become too entangled with the cares of the world. Something God again clearly and repeatedly warns us against.
Mark 10:22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Funny how this man waked away rather than argue the point. But people here argue in the face of God's word.
IF you have a profitable company
and
IF you have workers who do an honest day's work
YOU ARE CHARGED BY GOD TO COMPENSATE THEM FAIRLY. That means providing them with the ability to put a roof over their heads, food on the table, and healthcare to keep well.
If that makes God a Marxist, well then count me in. I'd rather keep God's company, than the company of all of you who keep the company of money hoarders. And evidently, the rich keep more company here than God does.
James 5:1Now listen, you rich people,weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2Your wealth has rotted, andmoths have eaten your clothes. 3Your gold and silver arecorroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh likefire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4Look! The wages you failedto pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The criesof the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5You have lived on earth inluxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day ofslaughter. 6You have condemned and murdered the innocentone, who was not opposing you.
Those are GOD'S WORDS, not mine.
Any and ALL arguments counter to that are clearly and unmistakably AGAINST THE WILL OF GOD.
When God says to abstain from sexual sin do we say "hey it's my body I'll do with it what I want"? No.
So when God says "do not horde riches and pay a fair wage', why do we argue "hey it's my money I'll do with it what I want"?
Because we have become too entangled with the cares of the world. Something God again clearly and repeatedly warns us against.
Mark 10:22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Funny how this man waked away rather than argue the point. But people here argue in the face of God's word.
IF you have a profitable company
and
IF you have workers who do an honest day's work
YOU ARE CHARGED BY GOD TO COMPENSATE THEM FAIRLY. That means providing them with the ability to put a roof over their heads, food on the table, and healthcare to keep well.
If that makes God a Marxist, well then count me in. I'd rather keep God's company, than the company of all of you who keep the company of money hoarders. And evidently, the rich keep more company here than God does.
James 5:1Now listen, you rich people,weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2Your wealth has rotted, andmoths have eaten your clothes. 3Your gold and silver arecorroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh likefire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4Look! The wages you failedto pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The criesof the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5You have lived on earth inluxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day ofslaughter. 6You have condemned and murdered the innocentone, who was not opposing you.
Those are GOD'S WORDS, not mine.
I think people need to re-read the Parables of Jesus. Also, I think we need to get back to talking about the American Health Care Act instead of name-calling, even if true. I am not an employer but many times I see people trying to support the employee over the employer. Instead of trying to think about what the employer has to do regardless of whether they are nice, mean-spirited, etc towards the employee. God bless.
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The Fortune 500 Corporations are Marxist.
I know this because they pay their employees very good wages. Give them very nice benefits packages, as well as matching 401-K savings accounts, and stock options. Clearly, this sinful sharing of Corporation profits with employees is Marxist and MUST be stamped out!
Loads of Small Businesses around the Nation are Marxist.
I know this because they pay their employees good wages. They give them Vacation Days/Sick Days, and, if at all possible, Medical Benefits. And, curses of curses, if the employees are loyal and hard working, they give them pay raises.......and, the worst act of all.......they give them Christmas Bonuses. Surely they are horrible Marxist and MUST be destroyed! How dare them reward their employees for loyalty and hard work, and do so by sharing in their Profits.
ALL UNIONS are Marxist.
I know this because.........well, shoot, because they are. And all of their Members are but pawns in their Marxist activities.
So, don't worry Ricky.............it appears you and your Marxist ideologies are in pretty good company right here in the good old US of A.
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I know this because they pay their employees very good wages. Give them very nice benefits packages, as well as matching 401-K savings accounts, and stock options. Clearly, this sinful sharing of Corporation profits with employees is Marxist and MUST be stamped out!
Loads of Small Businesses around the Nation are Marxist.
I know this because they pay their employees good wages. They give them Vacation Days/Sick Days, and, if at all possible, Medical Benefits. And, curses of curses, if the employees are loyal and hard working, they give them pay raises.......and, the worst act of all.......they give them Christmas Bonuses. Surely they are horrible Marxist and MUST be destroyed! How dare them reward their employees for loyalty and hard work, and do so by sharing in their Profits.
ALL UNIONS are Marxist.
I know this because.........well, shoot, because they are. And all of their Members are but pawns in their Marxist activities.
So, don't worry Ricky.............it appears you and your Marxist ideologies are in pretty good company right here in the good old US of A.
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Companies are like government, they really do try to get all they can get out of you.
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I still see the Big Mac doubling in price. (Please tell me McDonald's calls their largest burger the same thing in the UK.)
In January, Philadelphia started charging 1.5 cents per ounce for sweetened drinks. (Sweetened drinks -- all soda pop whether sugared or sugar-substitute, flavored water, almond milk, any beverage with any kind of sweetener in it. They called it "the sugar tax" when they were going to charge 3 cents per ounce, but when they settled, they went for 1.5 cents per ounce for any wet substance with sweetener in it.) Our mayor is still trying to spin this that Pepsi was supposed to pay the tax, not customers. Yeah, right. And the Great Wall is just a little garden retainer wall.
Our soda prices jumped from @ $3.50 for a 12 can case to $5.75. Everytime government forces people into doing something, people find ways to deal with it. Two-thirds of us are either no longer buying soda or are no longer buying it in the city. The local Pepsi distributors just laid off 100 workers. (The mayor promises this new tax will create 180 new jobs, except he's basing that on $9 million coming in per month, and only $5 million came in in the first month He's trying to fund something he won't be able to fund.) The corner stores on the outskirts of the city are moving across to outside the city boundaries so people can still afford soda. The corner stores in the middle of the city are dying. Pizza shops, restaurants, and fast foods are scrambling to make ends meet. At least one pizza shop is no longer offering soda. (No one was buying it at the new prices.)
Always, always, when government charges too much, it erodes the very people they swear they're trying to help.
In January, Philadelphia started charging 1.5 cents per ounce for sweetened drinks. (Sweetened drinks -- all soda pop whether sugared or sugar-substitute, flavored water, almond milk, any beverage with any kind of sweetener in it. They called it "the sugar tax" when they were going to charge 3 cents per ounce, but when they settled, they went for 1.5 cents per ounce for any wet substance with sweetener in it.) Our mayor is still trying to spin this that Pepsi was supposed to pay the tax, not customers. Yeah, right. And the Great Wall is just a little garden retainer wall.
Our soda prices jumped from @ $3.50 for a 12 can case to $5.75. Everytime government forces people into doing something, people find ways to deal with it. Two-thirds of us are either no longer buying soda or are no longer buying it in the city. The local Pepsi distributors just laid off 100 workers. (The mayor promises this new tax will create 180 new jobs, except he's basing that on $9 million coming in per month, and only $5 million came in in the first month He's trying to fund something he won't be able to fund.) The corner stores on the outskirts of the city are moving across to outside the city boundaries so people can still afford soda. The corner stores in the middle of the city are dying. Pizza shops, restaurants, and fast foods are scrambling to make ends meet. At least one pizza shop is no longer offering soda. (No one was buying it at the new prices.)
Always, always, when government charges too much, it erodes the very people they swear they're trying to help.
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Nah. I'm pro indentured servants. Another word for that in The Law (according to the law given to Moses) is "slave." And they did benefit. Room, board, and 10% of profit rendered for service. Good deal when you're not even getting that before becoming one.
Even indentured servants who came as the first wave to the shores of America got something for their seven years of work -- passage to America with a promise of land after the contract was up. Good deal! Virgin land in a new country.
So count that as less than 100% would agree with you.
Even indentured servants who came as the first wave to the shores of America got something for their seven years of work -- passage to America with a promise of land after the contract was up. Good deal! Virgin land in a new country.
So count that as less than 100% would agree with you.
I think people need to re-read the Parables of Jesus. Also, I think we need to get back to talking about the American Health Care Act instead of name-calling, even if true. I am not an employer but many times I see people trying to support the employee over the employer. Instead of trying to think about what the employer has to do regardless of whether they are nice, mean-spirited, etc towards the employee. God bless.
This is actually a blasphemous statement.
Karl Marx hated God... he believed in completely removing God, and religion, from society.
"The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion."
- Karl Marx
"Religion... is the opium of the masses"
- Karl Marx
"Man makes religion, religion does not make man."
- Karl Marx
"...the criticism of religion is the prerequisite of all criticism."
- Karl Marx
"Taken in this sense all proofs of the existence of God are proofs of his non-existence. They are refutations of all concepts of a God."
- Karl Marx
The attacks of Marx upon God, and upon religion, are infamous, and are virtually unending.
If you want to follow Marx... go right ahead.
So let's just keep curing the symptoms instead of the root cause. Things are expensive so let's require high wages from employers. Why are things expensive? Is it because the money masters stretch our currency out so far and then prop it up with ever increasing debt? Maybe that's the plan....let the well run dry then everyone will beg for Marxism. Lol. When will we ever learn? This time they will rule over us without firing a shot. We will beg for our own imprisonment. Haha!
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