American Health Care Act
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People who tend to get something for free don't value it on the same level as if they paid for it... Helping those who are working or really can't, I get.. Bible says who ever doesn't work doesn't eat.. I'll make better choices if the consequence is not in my favor since I have worked hard for my money.. I do not agree with blanket care
An important point lost on so very many. The Bible does say that if you are able to work and chose not to, you shouldn't eat (or get healthcare by extrapolation). The problem is, the 'rich' have become so greedy that they throw EVERYONE who has need, legitimate or not, into the same pool. And they don't realize that it is their hording of resources that creates the very situation where so many need help.
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I agree if the rich were our only tube thru which resources flow... Just as God said "I have x amount of men who have not bowed to baal." God has people well able to give. Who will get their eyes off of the "seen rich" long enough for God to move.. can't reach out for something new when your hands are already full
Isn't this just totally rich. A boastfully wealthy guy lecturing me on coming off the hip to pay for somebody else's health care insurance. First, nobody in the USA, citizen or not, is denied healthcare. It's the paying for it that the health care industry wants. Second, the healthcare industry is about the only entity that beautifully weathered this 10 year recession. Hospitals and court houses were about the only two things being built. My own health care insurance costs more than doubled in two years. I have a high deductible plan and my down money rose from $2500 to more than $6500 in one year. I'm essentially self insured now and don't go to the doctor and my premium for this luxury doubled in two years. And these kinds of increases were attributable to providing health care insurance to less than 6% of the population? Not a great deal in my deplorable un-Christian like opinion. I broke a tooth a month or so ago but it's going to cost big for a root canal and crown. Insurance doesn't cover so I'm doing a really weird thing. I'm working extra jobs on weekends and such so I can get it fixed. Because it hurts. And because it's my tooth and my responsibility.
I thank the Lord for BEING both my health and the One Who meets all my needs richly!
He is the only source of supply that can be counted on and trusted... all other sources will fail you when you need them the most.
The Lord's health care plan is out of this world!
And... you expect to get paid at your job too right?
OR, do you enjoy working for free?
He is the only source of supply that can be counted on and trusted... all other sources will fail you when you need them the most.
The Lord's health care plan is out of this world!
And... you expect to get paid at your job too right?
OR, do you enjoy working for free?
And there's another tangent to this saga. Here is an industry who's costs are sooo exorbitant, that it requires a whole huge second industry just to keep it propped up. Why is it that, for example, a simple blood test they want $500 for - and yet they are willing to accept $15 if it's paid thru insurance? That means $485 of your charge is nothing but pure greed.
You want free market healthcare? Then
1. Outlaw all insurance, that is nothing but a socialist enterprise.
2. Require doctors and facilities to post their fee schedules so people may shop around. Free market pricing comes from competition - and there is no competition when fees are hidden under layer after layer of fat.
You want free market healthcare? Then
1. Outlaw all insurance, that is nothing but a socialist enterprise.
2. Require doctors and facilities to post their fee schedules so people may shop around. Free market pricing comes from competition - and there is no competition when fees are hidden under layer after layer of fat.
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Americans will never agree on anything when it comes to health care. The stubbornness on both sides of the health aisle could need a health care plan for itself. I think one has to do what's best for society. If society will be better off with me paying $45,000 a year in income tax than with me paying $25,000, then I'd gladly be paying my share for a better society.
Healthcare utilization facts (2012 CMS.gov) National Health Expend Fact Sheet
What interests me is that 14% of the population accounted for 34% of the healthcare spending. Medicare paid the bulk of that. It cost 2.9% (1.45% each employer/employee) of employee's income. If that amount were increased by 5.8% (2.9% each employer/employee), we could provide Medicare for all. That's 80/20 (Medicare/recipient) coverage. Seniors now pay an additional $130/month for Medicare. Eliminating Medicaid would provide enough to cover that $130 and reduce the copays for all who can't afford the medicare personal cost.
- Per person personal health care spending for the 65 and older population was $18,988 in 2012, over 5 times higher than spending per child ($3,552) and approximately 3 times the spending per working-age person ($6,632).
- In 2012, children accounted for approximately 25 percent of the population and slightly less than 12 percent of all PHC spending.
- The working-age group comprised the majority of spending and population in 2012, almost 54 percent and over 61 percent respectively.
- The elderly were the smallest population group, nearly 14 percent of the population, and accounted for approximately 34 percent of all spending in 2012.
- Per person spending for females ($8,315) was 22 percent more than males ($6,788) in 2012.
- In 2012, per person spending for male children (0-18) was 9 percent more than females. However, for the working age and elderly groups, per person spending for females was 28 and 7 percent more than for males.
What interests me is that 14% of the population accounted for 34% of the healthcare spending. Medicare paid the bulk of that. It cost 2.9% (1.45% each employer/employee) of employee's income. If that amount were increased by 5.8% (2.9% each employer/employee), we could provide Medicare for all. That's 80/20 (Medicare/recipient) coverage. Seniors now pay an additional $130/month for Medicare. Eliminating Medicaid would provide enough to cover that $130 and reduce the copays for all who can't afford the medicare personal cost.
Older people have always cost more for healthcare. During my career (1975 - 2010) we gave up raises and benefits in order to support our older retirees. But this new generation, brought up on greed and mammon, threw us current retirees under the bus. And now they want to do it to everyone who's not a wall street banker. Don't worry republicans, greed will win out and you will have your way. I just don't want to hear you wining about it when we end up sick together living in the street.
I've got Republican friends who are older than you and who are still working.
By the time I get to "retire", I'll have worked for 47 years. What's with this 35 year(1975-2010) career stuff?
Don't worry republicans, greed will win out and you will have your way. Haven't read through all the posts in this thread, but have you addressed the demoncrat leachers too?
By the time I get to "retire", I'll have worked for 47 years. What's with this 35 year(1975-2010) career stuff?
Don't worry republicans, greed will win out and you will have your way. Haven't read through all the posts in this thread, but have you addressed the demoncrat leachers too?
Absolutely. That's why we have to get smart and throw both parties out.
30 years used to be a career. What happened to that? Oh yeah, Reagan codifying greed, and Christians coveting mammon, that's what happened to that.
And actually they retired me because of medical reasons. Otherwise I'd probably still be working too.
30 years used to be a career. What happened to that? Oh yeah, Reagan codifying greed, and Christians coveting mammon, that's what happened to that.
And actually they retired me because of medical reasons. Otherwise I'd probably still be working too.
Got an interesting insight today. My older brother is one of these tea party republicans, supporting policies that except for his rich girlfriend would have him living under a bridge. He has never bought insurance, never sees a doctor either, and has a host of issues plaguing him. Recently he popped the tendon on the back of his middle finger. He's gleaning whatever advice he can from whatever sources he can, whatever he can get for free of course (who's sponging now?). He's about decided that he has to see a doctor, but if the doc says it'll cost more than a couple grand to fix he'll have it lopped off. Seriously.
No wonder we're returning to a fiefdom. If stone-age medical care is fine for these people, no wonder they're taking us back to the stone age lock stock and barrel.
No wonder we're returning to a fiefdom. If stone-age medical care is fine for these people, no wonder they're taking us back to the stone age lock stock and barrel.
This just highlights the true problem. Here we have one brother, willing to share what God has been blessed him with for the greater good of his fellow man; and another brother concerned about only his own good and keeping his blessing for himself. You know, if we all pull together then we have everyone pulling for us. But when we pull for ourselves, we only have ourselves pulling for us.
What would Jesus do?
What would Jesus do?