Australians back same-sex marriage at polls; Parliament plans December vote
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It's not the same thing. Vegan restaurant doesn't carry animal products.
Bakeries already have everything to make cakes.
It was a personal choice to discriminate. Unfortunately if want a business you have laws to abide by or choose another one to open
Bakeries already have everything to make cakes.
It was a personal choice to discriminate. Unfortunately if want a business you have laws to abide by or choose another one to open
Or do the opposite: walk into a vegan restaurant and demand a rib eye steak, then sue them for discrimination, claiming their values (of not eating meat) infringe on your right to eat meat wherever and whenever you demand it, regardless of the fact that it is not on the menu, and meat eating violates the ethics of the people running the vegan restaurant. Let us know how it goes 
Don't miss the forest for the trees. Wedding cakes celebrating gay marriage were NOT and never had been on the menu of that bakery; they had never been offered for sale. The gay couple was demanding the baker make something for them that was not being offered for sale, something that violated the ethics of the bakery owner. I agree with Michael Owen: it was a targeted assault against Christian values. Bakeries have everything to make muffins, too. Would you go to a wedding cake baker to demand muffins, and then sue them because they will not make muffins for you?
It is strikingly odd how the people pushing against Christianity are opening the door to Islam. Islam, the so-called religion of peace, the same that is pushing to silence any criticism at all against it to the point where it is against the law to tell the truth about their ideology, "sacred" texts, and founder, the adulterous, brutal, war mongering pedophile known as Muhammed.
I was listening to an interview with someone supposedly advocating religious freedom and tolerance, but when Biblical Christian beliefs were mentioned, they protested against them vociferously, proclaiming them intolerable
I was listening to an interview with someone supposedly advocating religious freedom and tolerance, but when Biblical Christian beliefs were mentioned, they protested against them vociferously, proclaiming them intolerable
Or do the opposite: walk into a vegan restaurant and demand a rib eye steak, then sue them for discrimination, claiming their values (of not eating meat) infringe on your right to eat meat wherever and whenever you demand it, regardless of the fact that it is not on the menu, and meat eating violates the ethics of the people running the vegan restaurant. Let us know how it goes
Figured Id make good on this post (have been busy).
In this thread you made to make Christians feel bad for their stance that homosexuality is wrong, I told you that I agreed with everything about loving those who live the lifestyle, treating them with respect and compassion, but asked if you could agree that the act itself is sinful and wrong.
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Notice I literally say I agree with you that they SHOULD have rights and be treated the same way we want to be treated?
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You then respond with "Ill agree the Bible says its wrong", taking yourself out of the question, and then go on again about how Christians are wrong for working to guide others away from sin and to Christ.
Your problem is not that you just want to stand for the constitution.
In this thread you made to make Christians feel bad for their stance that homosexuality is wrong, I told you that I agreed with everything about loving those who live the lifestyle, treating them with respect and compassion, but asked if you could agree that the act itself is sinful and wrong.
My post-
Notice I literally say I agree with you that they SHOULD have rights and be treated the same way we want to be treated?
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You then respond with "Ill agree the Bible says its wrong", taking yourself out of the question, and then go on again about how Christians are wrong for working to guide others away from sin and to Christ.
Your problem is not that you just want to stand for the constitution.
Im gonna be honest with you mj007, I stopped reading your post here, because this comment was completely irrelevant to my post.
My post was about forcing Christians to craft items in celebration of a lifestyle they found wrong, not about not touching gay people or having any contact with them. This is not an equal argument.
My post was about forcing Christians to craft items in celebration of a lifestyle they found wrong, not about not touching gay people or having any contact with them. This is not an equal argument.
Because two people asked for a cake in celebration of their relationship, which is based on a physical nature, because the two are attracted to each other due to being the same gender, in a business that did not cater to such a thing.
If Nambla asked you to make a cake for them, should YOU have the right to say no, Dude?
If Nambla asked you to make a cake for them, should YOU have the right to say no, Dude?
So tax paying pedophiles should have access to any privileges a Courthouse has to offer.....
And a person who wants to get married to a horse and engage in bestiality should have access to any privileges a Courthouse has to offer.....
And a person who wants to preserve the death body of their former partner so they can engage in necrophilia should have access to any privileges a Courthouse has to offer....
Anything is acceptable when God has been removed from society.. When God gives them over to a depraved mind to do this worthy of eternal damnation because they have rejected the Love of the truth by which they would have been saved but have loved unrighteousness....
Not long now to the return of the LORD Jesus Christ and the wrath of God upon these people..
And a person who wants to get married to a horse and engage in bestiality should have access to any privileges a Courthouse has to offer.....
And a person who wants to preserve the death body of their former partner so they can engage in necrophilia should have access to any privileges a Courthouse has to offer....
Anything is acceptable when God has been removed from society.. When God gives them over to a depraved mind to do this worthy of eternal damnation because they have rejected the Love of the truth by which they would have been saved but have loved unrighteousness....
Not long now to the return of the LORD Jesus Christ and the wrath of God upon these people..
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The point is this; we can argue until we are blue in the face but the celebration of sin is simply fulfilling Biblical prophecy. As each county votes for the acceptance of sin so we edge nearer to the "earth rolling up as a scroll". God has seemingly endless patience with us but one day it WILL all come to an end. Already man is calling right wrong and visa versa. Those who wallow in their sinfulness will share eternity with the one they worship, there are only two gods, the one true God and Satan. Those who wallow in their sin will spend eternity with the latter, they may not think they worship anyone but in fact if your god isn't the God of the Bible then it is Satan. As Christians we will suffer persecution on earth but it will be worth it for we will one day spend eternity basking in His glory - AMEN!
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to people who don't believe in a Truth, or that following this Truth is beneficial to everyone, it may seem that "freedom" and choices are the best thing to do.
I also have to admit homosexuality is confusing, some people do appear to be "born gay" or at least there are very feminine men and masculine women with issues at a young age. There are also those kids born with two sets or the wrong sex organs. So without The Bible, the Holy Spirit, or wisdom to discern this matter, it could seem "normal" or harmless.
They are worshiping the devil and celebrating sin, but in the darkness of their lives, to them it seems to be the right thing to do. And without God or an honest psychological/scientific community, they have no basis to appose it other than their instincts and consciousness which they are taught to distrust by liberal values and be "accepting".
I'd often heard it said when I was an an unbeliever that without God or his Word there is no basis or foundation for morality. I did not agree with this at the time because I believed in the conscience and that collectively we could discern right from wrong, but we are very easily mislead and confused and our own judgement is often wrong or lacking the wisdom to see the deeper issues or big picture.
If you aren't doing God's work you are inherently doing the devil's work, it automatically happens that way there is no gray area. If you put the constitution or other worldly concepts above God, it's impossible to not be against God in your decisions and beliefs.
I also have to admit homosexuality is confusing, some people do appear to be "born gay" or at least there are very feminine men and masculine women with issues at a young age. There are also those kids born with two sets or the wrong sex organs. So without The Bible, the Holy Spirit, or wisdom to discern this matter, it could seem "normal" or harmless.
They are worshiping the devil and celebrating sin, but in the darkness of their lives, to them it seems to be the right thing to do. And without God or an honest psychological/scientific community, they have no basis to appose it other than their instincts and consciousness which they are taught to distrust by liberal values and be "accepting".
I'd often heard it said when I was an an unbeliever that without God or his Word there is no basis or foundation for morality. I did not agree with this at the time because I believed in the conscience and that collectively we could discern right from wrong, but we are very easily mislead and confused and our own judgement is often wrong or lacking the wisdom to see the deeper issues or big picture.
If you aren't doing God's work you are inherently doing the devil's work, it automatically happens that way there is no gray area. If you put the constitution or other worldly concepts above God, it's impossible to not be against God in your decisions and beliefs.
I am being honest..
The same spirit that now works in the children of disobedience to inspire then to commit the abomination of homosexuality and to promote it with pride is the same spirit that works in pedophiles and the other sexual degenerates i mentioned.. The father of lies works in you or the Holy Father works in you.. There are no neutrals in this world.. Everyone works for either the Holy Spirit or the demonic spirit..
The same spirit that now works in the children of disobedience to inspire then to commit the abomination of homosexuality and to promote it with pride is the same spirit that works in pedophiles and the other sexual degenerates i mentioned.. The father of lies works in you or the Holy Father works in you.. There are no neutrals in this world.. Everyone works for either the Holy Spirit or the demonic spirit..