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The reason why there is no record of Jesus ever intervening in a government execution, despite coming to the aid of at least one person whose life was being threatened by a street mob after an accusation (rightly or wrongly) of adultery, is because the Mosaic Law mandated the death penalty within strict guidelines it prescribed which Jesus never once taught was in error.

Those strict guidelines are actually interesting, though most people don't take time to analyze them. For example, Numbers 35:31 specifically distinguishes the capital offense of murder from the almost twenty other offenses punishable by death prohibiting a “ransom for the life of a murderer.” In all other cases a substitution could be made for the death penalty except the crime of murder which was so serious that the death penalty was to be enforced. Only in the case of premeditated murder was there the added stricture of “Do not accept a ransom for the life of a murderer, who deserves to die” (Numbers 35:31).

The word “ransom” is the Hebrew kōp̄er, meaning a “deliverance or a ransom by means of a substitute.” Both Jewish and early Christian communities interpreted this verse in Numbers 35:31 to mean that out of the almost twenty cases calling for capital punishment in the Old Testament, every one of them could have the sanction commuted by an appropriate substitute of money or anything that showed the seriousness of the crime; but in the case of what we today call first-degree murder, there was never to be offered or accepted any substitute or bargaining of any kind: the offender had to pay with his or her life.

Likewise, Paul recognized the justice of the death penalty. When he was brought before the judgment seat of Festus, he said, “For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die” (Acts 25:11). By this, Paul admitted that there were offenses worthy of death and that the government had the right to administer death in those cases.

He further states in Romans that “But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil” (Romans 13:4).

The Bible doesn't condone the present situation where murderers are housed for life in expensive institutions that innocent citizens are forcibly taxed to pay for who then cause many more murders and create an institutionalized prison gang run environment that prevents a great deal of real reform from ever occurring.

The NT teaches that a murderer can both repent and be saved by God but also executed by the state for the crime of murder. There is no dichotomy.

Some of our liberal affected friends prefer their own modern liberal theological interpretations to what God's Word actually teaches in the original language in historical context so, of course, they can be safely discarded as erroneous.


The NT does not condemn capital punishment, rather it supports it.
 

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I said from the beginning that I was outraged when I 1st heard about this incident. (The Brown/Wilson incident) Then the facts came out, but my outrage had nothing to do with race, rather the police killing an unarmed person.After the facts came out it became clear to any fair-minded person, that the cop did not act inappropriately. I say this because I have seen the video out of Staten Island, and while I know the police have a tough job, I believe this officer should be charged with at least manslaughter. They could have subdued this man differently, and certainly not choke him. It's not about him being black, it's about him being an American who in my opinion was killed for no reason. The ONE thing I think ALL sides agree on in the Brown case is that the police should wear cameras.
[video=youtube;j1ka4oKu1jo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo[/video]
 
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Question: "What does the Bible say about the death penalty / capital punishment?"

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The Old Testament law commanded the death penalty for various acts: murder (Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19), adultery (Leviticus 20:10), homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24), and several other crimes. However, God often showed mercy when the death penalty was due. David committed adultery and murder, yet God did not demand his life be taken (2 Samuel 11:1-5, 14-17; 2 Samuel 12:13). Ultimately, every sin we commit should result in the death penalty because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Thankfully, God demonstrates His love for us in not condemning us (Romans 5:8).

When the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in the act of adultery to Jesus and asked Him if she should be stoned, Jesus replied, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7). This should not be used to indicate that Jesus rejected capital punishment in all instances. Jesus was simply exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. The Pharisees wanted to trick Jesus into breaking the Old Testament law; they did not truly care about the woman being stoned (where was the man who was caught in adultery?) God is the One who instituted capital punishment: “Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man” (Genesis 9:6). Jesus would support capital punishment in some instances. Jesus also demonstrated grace when capital punishment was due (John 8:1-11). The apostle Paul definitely recognized the power of the government to institute capital punishment where appropriate (Romans 13:1-7).

How should a Christian view the death penalty? First, we must remember that God has instituted capital punishment in His Word; therefore, it would be presumptuous of us to think that we could institute a higher standard. God has the highest standard of any being; He is perfect. This standard applies not only to us but to Himself. Therefore, He loves to an infinite degree, and He has mercy to an infinite degree. We also see that He has wrath to an infinite degree, and it is all maintained in a perfect balance.

Second, we must recognize that God has given government the authority to determine when capital punishment is due (Genesis 9:6; Romans 13:1-7). It is unbiblical to claim that God opposes the death penalty in all instances. Christians should never rejoice when the death penalty is employed, but at the same time, Christians should not fight against the government’s right to execute the perpetrators of the most evil of crimes.

Recommended Resources: The Death Penalty on Trial: Taking a Life for a Life Taken by Ron Gleason and Logos Bible Software.

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I said from the beginning that I was outraged when I 1st heard about this incident. (The Brown/Wilson incident) Then the facts came out, but my outrage had nothing to do with race, rather the police killing an unarmed person.After the facts came out it became clear to any fair-minded person, that the cop did not act inappropriately. I say this because I have seen the video out of Staten Island, and while I know the police have a tough job, I believe this officer should be charged with at least manslaughter. They could have subdued this man differently, and certainly not choke him. It's not about him being black, it's about him being an American who in my opinion was killed for no reason. The ONE thing I think ALL sides agree on in the Brown case is that the police should wear cameras.
[video=youtube;j1ka4oKu1jo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo[/video]
Both tragedies!! and avoidable. Why challenge the police's authority when we know the police will not back down?
Both men would be alive today if they had cooperate.
 
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We need to end this practice of arresting citizens and levying criminal charges against them for doing nothing more than filming police in public discharging their duties. That's first and foremost. Obviously, remedy should be provided to police officers who are being repeatedly stalked and recorded while on the job.

I'm certainly not against police wearing cameras; however, I think we need to implement legal safeguards to ensure use of such video adheres to privacy laws and also guidelines implemented that restrict prosecutor use of such video. We definitely want to avoid a 1984 situation where our population is monitored by government and everything gathered used against them criminally in every way possible. That's totalitarianism.

The ONE thing I think ALL sides agree on in the Brown case is that the police should wear cameras.
 
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We need to end this practice of arresting citizens and levying criminal charges against them for doing nothing more than filming police in public discharging their duties. That's first and foremost. Obviously, remedy should be provided to police officers who are being repeatedly stalked and recorded while on the job.

I'm certainly not against police wearing cameras; however, I think we need to implement legal safeguards to ensure use of such video adheres to privacy laws and also guidelines implemented that restrict prosecutor use of such video. We definitely want to avoid a 1984 situation where our population is monitored by government and everything gathered used against them criminally in every way possible. That's totalitarianism.
Yea, I trust the cops, and even " would be criminals " and I forgive those who want forgiveness. No cameras necessary, dash cams are already in place. If a passer by records something on his phone and is justifiable evidence, that's good enough for me. There will NEVER be complete peace, you can put a thousand cameras on everybody... Money well wasted instead of sheltering the homeless, if you ask me.
 
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The mainstream media usually pushes heroic deeds to the back burner. Their time is primarily spent acting as charlatan Al Sharpton's propaganda arm lol.

They forfeited their status as America's fourth estate beginning in the late 1960's due to the blatant bias they began demonstrating.


I keep hearing how bad these cops are and everyone else.. How about how good they are and what they do..People want to take one incident and change the country with it... What changes when they do heroic acts ? ...nothing


Just a few stories here to show real people doing real heroic acts.. God bless them


Teen saves cop from burning car | FOX CT

Ex-Con Saves Baby Crawling Toward Highway
 
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No cameras necessary, dash cams are already in place. If a passer by records something on his phone and is justifiable evidence, that's good enough for me.
The benefit of body cams is that it follows the officer, dash cams only benefit when the officer is in front of the car. The drawback to video from passers by without body cam video is that the evidence collected is from a different view point than the officer's and likewise may be missing footage that is critical (how the incident started).
 
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The benefit of body cams is that it follows the officer, dash cams only benefit when the officer is in front of the car. The drawback to video from passers by without body cam video is that the evidence collected is from a different view point than the officer's and likewise may be missing footage that is critical (how the incident started).
If we don't trust the cop we hired ... Why is he a cop ? Sounds like we need cameras on Obama, politicians, bankers and private owners of penitentiaries... for start, ... How about that ? If we need cameras...
 

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If we don't trust the cop we hired ... Why is he a cop ?
Body cams would do the same thing that dash cams currently do, only better. Most departments began to install dash cams as an added layer of protection for officers against false claims of harassment, brutality, etc. not because they didn't trust their officers. Cases such as this one would become rare because the law enforcement agency involved would be able to release said video within hours of the event removing the speculation of the public about what really happened.

Years back when I routinely worked around law enforcement, the ones that I knew had two concerns every day when they headed out on shift:

Whether they would make it through the shift unharmed

Whether they would be falsely accused of some impropriety
 
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Body cams would do the same thing that dash cams currently do, only better. Most departments began to install dash cams as an added layer of protection for officers against false claims of harassment, brutality, etc. not because they didn't trust their officers. Cases such as this one would become rare because the law enforcement agency involved would be able to release said video within hours of the event removing the speculation of the public about what really happened.
No thanks...
 
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I keep hearing how bad these cops are and everyone else.. How about how good they are and what they do..People want to take one incident and change the country with it... What changes when they do heroic acts ? ...nothing


Just a few stories here to show real people doing real heroic acts.. God bless them


Teen saves cop from burning car | FOX CT

Ex-Con Saves Baby Crawling Toward Highway
We know that there are good & bad cops like there are good & bad teachers. The problem lies with the unions protecting them & their jobs no matter how bad they are. They just "recycle the trash elsewhere.

Until we get answers to fire the bad employees the problem will persist. It is also virtually impossible for a federal employee to get fired. However, we may see a few VA federal employees getting fired soon.
 
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HAHA! LOL. You get a like and +1 rep for this... lol.

Brainfreeze;1791948[SIZE=6 said:
]...we need cameras on Obama, politicians, bankers and private owners of penitentiaries... for start, ... [/SIZE]
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I wouldn't go this far. Thugs certainly are a problem nationwide patrolling neighborhoods assaulting, murdering, robbing, extorting, dealing drugs, etc... and murdering each other for territory and gang disputes like flies.

Law enforcement statistics consistently show this to be true. For example, the FBI 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment demonstrates that, on average, "48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions" is gang-related.


Thugs aren't really the problem...
 
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Yes but the real drug dealers are also the people who sell drugs to the end users. The gangs that sling crack and curb birds are in fact real drug dealers.

Certainly government corruption is involved. If your Spanish is up to par, read this: El Universal - Nación - La guerra secreta de la DEA en México

A lot of fishy unsubstantiated allegations of direct involvement have historically been levied and continue to be. Read this: DEA Case Threatens to Expose US Government-Sanctioned Drug-Running | the narcosphere

But one cannot pretend that criminal cartels, street gangs, and criminal dealers play no role nor that they wouldn't be able to obtain their drugs without the government's help or intentionally looking the other way. Of course they do and can.


c.i.a .... The real drug dealers..THAT WE PAY FOR Secret ties between CIA, drugs revealed
 
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Another cop who showed a misuse of force, by using an unethical choke hold on an unarmed person resulting in that person's death was not indited today.
This time they had and showed video footage showing the incident, and how the man in the choke hold muffled more than once he could not breath. This officer even had help in the video by a couple other officers, but still did not relinquish the hold. The man who was killed was selling cigarettes illegally, and did resist arrest but that once again is not deserving of being choked to death.
 
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Several of the eye-witnesses, who gave honest testimony to the Grand Jury, were, according to their own statements, warned immediately after the shooting to keep their mouths shut. All of the eye-witnesses were African American.

If you read the reports the sense of fear about speaking the truth is overwhelming. Many, if not all, of the witness statements outlined in police reports, FBI reports, and later in Grand Jury testimony -who testified to the factual events as outlined by officer Wilson, and whose testimony fit the physical and forensic evidence- were threatened by the local Canfield Greens community.

One of them, a young black male who gave testimony supporting Officer Wilson's account, was subsequently murdered: Ferguson riots claim first casualty as teenager found 'shot dead' in his car | Daily Mail Online

I guess one or more of the "protestors" took "Big Mike" father's instructions to "Burn this bi*ch down!" to heart. Video: http://youtu.be/YSupLPYelns <-- As you can see the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

You can read through just this one report and read/see all of the people who would not assist law enforcement or the FBI out of FEAR.