Disapointed In Trump SOTU

[Anne_81]

Their actions spoke louder than their words ever did. They don't have America's best interest at heart.

I repeatedly noticed this on this forum. People make very strong claims of the type:
"X violated the constitution" or "Y declared Z".

When I kindly ask for a vetted news source that provides that information, I get no reply.
Equally, if I ask any detail on the claim. For instance, I ask "what article of the constitution was violated?",
"when?". No reply.

I believe that discussions would be much more useful if people did the homework
of carefully documenting their claims. In particular we would have less fighting, and more
learning. Unfortunately, fighting is the easy path, while documenting is the hard one.

God bless you,
Anne

 

[Nehemiah6]

Where did you see a complain about saying America too many times?

Here you go. And it was also reported by many others.

https://conservativetribune.com/aclu-complains-that-trump/

 

[Nehemiah6]

When I kindly ask for a vetted news source that provides that information, I get no reply.

Well you certainly won't get any of this from the MSM (Mainstream Media). All of them have become partisans for the Democrats and the Left-Liberals, and even after their fake news is exposed for what it is, they have no shame, and persist in presenting garbage. But there are plenty of reliable and conservative news sources today where you will find factual reporting. Do a search. At the same time no one is writing research papers in order to document everything as you expect.

 

[Society]

Their actions spoke louder than their words ever did. They don't have America's best interest at heart.

In other words you just made it up.

 

[Society]

Well you certainly won't get any of this from the MSM (Mainstream Media). All of them have become partisans for the Democrats and the Left-Liberals, and even after their fake news is exposed for what it is, they have no shame, and persist in presenting garbage. But there are plenty of reliable and conservative news sources today where you will find factual reporting. Do a search. At the same time no one is writing research papers in order to document everything as you expect.

You post this as you cite the Conservative Tribune as a new source (It isn't). You state that "conservative sources" are more reliable and attack "liberal sources" (they aren't) as dishonest. That itself is indicative of your of own extreme confirmation bias and slanted thinking.

 

[MichaelOwen]

I repeatedly noticed this on this forum. People make very strong claims of the type:
"X violated the constitution" or "Y declared Z".

When I kindly ask for a vetted news source that provides that information, I get no reply.
Equally, if I ask any detail on the claim. For instance, I ask "what article of the constitution was violated?",
"when?". No reply.

I believe that discussions would be much more useful if people did the homework
of carefully documenting their claims. In particular we would have less fighting, and more
learning. Unfortunately, fighting is the easy path, while documenting is the hard one.

God bless you,
Anne

If you watched the SOTU AT ALL, doesn't matter what network, YOU SAW IT ON EVERY NETWORK. Don't play dumb.

 

[MichaelOwen]

In other words you just made it up.

Read my post to Anne......If you even took the time to even watch the SOTU........then you saw what EVERYONE on EVERY NETWORK saw out of the bitter sour puss Dems.....THEIR actions spoke a HECK of a lot louder, the way they jeered and smeared Trumps SOTU, and didn't even applaud the people who sacrificed and lost a lot for this country and their freedom from 3rd world countries.

 

[Society]

Read my post to Anne......If you even took the time to even watch the SOTU........then you saw what EVERYONE on EVERY NETWORK saw out of the bitter sour puss Dems.....THEIR actions spoke a HECK of a lot louder, the way they jeered and smeared Trumps SOTU, and didn't even applaud the people who sacrificed and lost a lot for this country and their freedom from 3rd world countries.

I didn't watch it and don't need to. I can read the news.

The GoP didn't applaud Obama during any of his SOTU... were you outraged?

Basically you are putting yourself forward as a mind reader... casting aspersions on the people you hate and basing your interpretations of their actions on the same unsupported aspersions.

 

[MichaelOwen]

I didn't watch it and don't need to. I can read the news.

The GoP didn't applaud Obama during any of his SOTU... were you outraged?

Basically you are putting yourself forward as a mind reader... casting aspersions on the people you hate and basing your interpretations of their actions on the same unsupported aspersions.

Well considering the Democratic Party supports abortion and same sex marriages and just about everything under the sun that our Father in heaven condemns....I think that speaks for itself...

 

[AdolfHipster]

No offense, but you live in Germany....I think you should be more concerned about your problems than with ours at this point....your country is under a weak leadership from a VERY LIBERAL president, and it shows with your country now being overrun by Muslims....you don't have the guts to stand up to them or take back what is yours.....but that's ok, because you're in my prayers.

How fruitful... avoid the substantive points and assume you know where I live or what country (or countries) I'm a citizen of based off of a flag on a Christian forum account. I mean, if you didn't have a rebuttal or a response to what I said, you could have simply not responded at all. (Not that it is even relevant or any of your business, I'm a natural born citizen.)

 

[tourist]

How fruitful... avoid the substantive points and assume you know where I live or what country (or countries) I'm a citizen of based off of a flag on a Christian forum account. I mean, if you didn't have a rebuttal or a response to what I said, you could have simply not responded at all.

It is assumed that the information on the profile is honestly stated. If Germany is not your nationality or where you now reside than why be deceptive and list this information at all?

 

[AdolfHipster]

It is assumed that the information on the profile is honestly stated. If Germany is not your nationality or where you now reside than why be deceptive and list this information at all?

How do you know I don't live in Germany? Can someone not be American while simultaneously live in another country? Maybe there is another reason? Who knows...?! Feel free to assume anything and everything... but you know what they say about assuming... All this is moot though. What does this have to do with the substantive points that he chose to ignore and instead focus on a false assumption about me personally?

 

[tourist]

Read my post to Anne......If you even took the time to even watch the SOTU........then you saw what EVERYONE on EVERY NETWORK saw out of the bitter sour puss Dems.....THEIR actions spoke a HECK of a lot louder, the way they jeered and smeared Trumps SOTU, and didn't even applaud the people who sacrificed and lost a lot for this country and their freedom from 3rd world countries.

I didn't watch it and don't need to. I can read the news.

The GoP didn't applaud Obama during any of his SOTU... were you outraged?

Basically you are putting yourself forward as a mind reader... casting aspersions on the people you hate and basing your interpretations of their actions on the same unsupported aspersions.

Perhaps the Republicans didn't want to stand and applaud Obama's SOTU because the man did not promote Christian values and principals. It says a lot about the Democrats who refuse to even acknowledge the brave men and women who serve in the armed forces defending and protecting the Constitution of the United States.

 

[tourist]

How do you know I don't live in Germany? Can someone not be American while simultaneously live in another country? Maybe there is another reason? Who knows...?! Feel free to assume anything and everything... but you know what they say about assuming... All this is moot though. What does this have to do with the substantive points that he chose to ignore and instead focus on a false assumption about me personally?

I don't assume anything about you as you have already implied in a previous post that the information in your profile may not have been truly stated. Personally, I really don't care where you live or your nationality for that matter. You're the one who raised the question in the first place. For the record I will state that I was born in Germany of American parents but am a citizen of the US since day of birth and have lived in the US since I was 9 months of age. I have known what 'they' say about assuming more that twice the years that you have been alive.

 

[AdolfHipster]

I don't assume anything about you as you have already implied in a previous post that the information in your profile may not have been truly stated. Personally, I really don't care where you live or your nationality for that matter. You're the one who raised the question in the first place. For the record I will state that I was born in Germany of American parents but am a citizen of the US since day of birth and have lived in the US since I was 9 months of age. I have known what 'they' say about assuming more that twice the years that you have been alive.

I explicitly stated I am a natural born citizen, there was no "implied" meaning. Furthermore, can you please answer how where you were born or where I was born is relevant to the substantive points I made in the post MichaelOwens quoted? If I was born on Mars and say, "Most Democrats believe in abortion which is against the word of God!"... does my legitimate point somehow become de-legitimized because I was born on Mars? It suddenly alleviates the Democrats of responsibility for their anti-God stance on abortion?

 

[maxwel]

How do you know I don't live in Germany? Can someone not be American while simultaneously live in another country? Maybe there is another reason? Who knows...?! Feel free to assume anything and everything... but you know what they say about assuming... All this is moot though. What does this have to do with the substantive points that he chose to ignore and instead focus on a false assumption about me personally?

Although MichaelOwen's discussion of your country of origin does not constitute a rebuttal, it is still perfectly reasonable for him to bring up any line of reasoning he thinks may affect the discussion.

If he feels that your country of origin suggests some hypocrisy in your reasoning, then it's fine for him to bring that into the discussion. No one here is obligated to give you a direct rebuttal for any particular proposition; people are allowed to freely speak along any line of reasoning they choose.

I also think Tourist has a valid point; if you aren't from Germany, then why would you deceive the entire forum with a false country of origin?

If I'm debating someone and he seems to be lying about personal things, it would certainly make me wonder if he was intentionally lying about other things. I think if someone can't show himself to be honest in a debate, then there's no reason to debate him.

Perhaps it would be good for you to take some kind of stand, and say what country you live in currently, and of which country you're a citizen, so we'll all be clear, and we'll know you weren't trying to deceive the forum. If you can't be honest and truthful about simple things, I don't know why anyone would want to talk to you about complicated things.

 

[maxwel]

I explicitly stated I am a natural born citizen, there was no "implied" meaning. Furthermore, can you please answer how where you were born or where I was born is relevant to the substantive points I made in the post MichaelOwens quoted? If I was born on Mars and say, "Most Democrats believe in abortion which is against the word of God!"... does my legitimate point somehow become de-legitimized because I was born on Mars? It suddenly alleviates the Democrats of responsibility for their anti-God stance on abortion?

Your country of origin certainly doesn't constitute a logical rebuttal to a proposition about something else.

However, your integrity, and your propensity to be either honest or dishonest, certainly does determine whether people here will want to engage with you.

 

[AdolfHipster]

Although MichaelOwen's discussion of your country of origin does not constitute a rebuttal, it is still perfectly reasonable for him to bring up any line of reasoning he thinks may affect the discussion.

I guess we'll wait for him to respond then. I look forward to substantive and fruitful discussion... not failed attempts of assuming to know where someone is born or lives currently.

If he feels that your country of origin suggests some hypocrisy in your reasoning, then it's fine for him to bring that into the discussion. No one here is obligated to give you a direct rebuttal for any particular proposition; people are allowed to freely speak along any line of reasoning they choose.

I don't expect anything... not even in a Christian forum. If someone wants to assume and make personal assumptions of another instead of responding to legitimate criticisms, it is their right to do (as long as the admins allow). Just as I have every right to say how it isn't "fruitful" when talking about a completely separate topic.

I also think Tourist has a valid point; if you aren't from Germany, then why would you deceive the entire forum with a false country of origin?

You're following in Tourists and MichaelOwens footsteps by assuming there is any deception at all. How do you know it's not my country flag/location? I haven't said anything about it.

If I'm debating someone and he seems to be lying about personal things, it would certainly make me wonder if he was intentionally lying about other things. I think if someone can't show himself to be honest in a debate, then there's no reason to debate him.

If you want to assume I'm lying because of my refusal to disclose information, that is your prerogative. No one made you come to Tourists defense and "debate" me. lol

Perhaps it would be good for you to take some kind of stand, and say what country you live in currently, and of which country you're a citizen, so we'll all be clear, and we'll know you weren't trying to deceive the forum. If you can't be honest and truthful about simple things, I don't know why anyone would want to talk to you about complicated things.

I said I'm a natural born citizen. I'm not obligated to tell you anything (including my being a natural born citizen). I don't have to show you my papers...

 

[AdolfHipster]

Your country of origin certainly doesn't constitute a logical rebuttal to a proposition about something else.

However, your integrity, and your propensity to be either honest or dishonest, certainly does determine whether people here will want to engage with you.

Absolutely agree. Honesty and integrity are important. It's why I would willingly engage with MichaelOwens because I think he has both. I just didn't understand the connection between what he said and what I had wrote. Even you see the disconnect.

 

[MichaelOwen]

I guess we'll wait for him to respond then. I look forward to substantive and fruitful discussion... not failed attempts of assuming to know where someone is born or lives currently.



I don't expect anything... not even in a Christian forum. If someone wants to assume and make personal assumptions of another instead of responding to legitimate criticisms, it is their right to do (as long as the admins allow). Just as I have every right to say how it isn't "fruitful" when talking about a completely separate topic.



You're following in Tourists and MichaelOwens footsteps by assuming there is any deception at all. How do you know it's not my country flag/location? I haven't said anything about it.



If you want to assume I'm lying because of my refusal to disclose information, that is your prerogative. No one made you come to Tourists defense and "debate" me. lol



I said I'm a natural born citizen. I'm not obligated to tell you anything (including my being a natural born citizen). I don't have to show you my papers...

Alright, fair enough, fruitful discussion it is......since you want to have a fruitful discussion, then enlighten me of where you are from. And it's ok, I'm not afraid to tell you where i'm from. I'm from Alabama, born and raised. And what you keep in the dark, trust me, the Lord knows in the light. So let's chat.