Homeless LGBT

Smoke · Dec 6, 2016

Not at all. I have a spiritual issue with their lifestyle.... however, for me, the story wasn't their lifestyle... it was two celebrities who were serving children of God.

I've not read many posts talking about the good deed, which is actually a biblical commandment (to visit the poor/needy). Instead I've just read conjecture as to why these kids are homeless... I've read people ignore the good deed by the celebrities and instead of rejoice in their service, chose to personally attack them.

Yeraza_Bats · Dec 6, 2016

Smoke said:

I dont totally agree with you on the whole celebrities doing the work of God thing-

6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
From Matthew chapter 6

Dude653 · Dec 6, 2016

Yeraza_Bats said:

Yikes! You must not know much about Dude here on the forums : p

Is this really news? No : p This is once again Dude shaming the Christian community for "being so hateful" as to stand in the fact that homosexuality is wrong and will lead many people to death, while putting himself on a righteous, loving, better than you bigots pedestal. Dude comes here often to tell us "we need to be more loving with homosexuals" in threads that discuss topics such as celebrities and politicians telling the world that homosexuality is okay and that no one should say its wrong.

He calls himself a Christian but does not stand for the Word of God, that the sexually immoral will not be saved and must repent. He is much more interested in being loved by the world than by God, goes on about "this is why people hate Christians", somehow completely forgetting that we have been told that we are hated for His namesake, because we do not rejoice in what the world does.

Plz learn a bit about the forums and its members before coming here to shame others for having an issue with a member.

I believe in constitutional rights. If you want to shout from the rooftops that you believe homosexuality is wrong then by all means do so. Just remember that someone else has the same right to express the opposite opinion

Infusion · Dec 6, 2016

Dude653 said:

So_gay_people_have_the_right_to_say_being_straight_is_wrong?_lol

blue_ladybug · Dec 6, 2016

Yes they do. After all, even gays have freedom of speech. Just as we have the freedom of speech to say that being gay is wrong.. (Which it is).. JMO

Infusion said:

Dude653 · Dec 6, 2016

Infusion said:

Sure... First Amendment freedom of speech
But I meant they have the right to express their opinions of homosexuality as well. They have a right to live their lives however they choose. Isn't Freedomuch nice?

Yeraza_Bats · Dec 6, 2016

Dude653 said:

What does that have to do with this thread? Or whether or not homosexuality is right and wrong? Who is claiming we need to take away rights here?

Persuaded · Dec 6, 2016

Dude653 said:

God's laws/standards supersedes man's law.
We are where we are today because we have ignored God's laws/standards.

PrynceNY · Dec 6, 2016

Dude653 said:

They have the right to live their temporary lives on this earth how they choose unfortunately it leads to eternal destruction. While you're concerned about "constitutional rights" the majority of the people here are more concerned about souls being damned for eternity.

maxwel · Dec 6, 2016

Dude653 said:

This is a typical FALSE DILEMMA... shifting something I said into something else.
Lovely.

I never said I was going to "mine you for quotes"...
I said I was going to point out your "anti-biblical bias"... meaning your "overall views".

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So, since I said I was going to point out some "anti-biblical bias"... lets do that.

1. Out of all the news sources in the WHOLE WORLD, where you could look for a Thanksgiving story... you bypassed EVERY NEWS SITE IN THE WHOLE WORLD... and you picked "LGBTQnation.com ... a magazine that promotes the homosexual agenda which is clearly AGAINST the teachings of the bible.

Lovely

2. Out all the TYPES of stories in the WHOLE WORLD, which you could pick to epitomize "helping the needy"... you bypassed EVERY STORY in the WHOLE WORLD, and picked ONLY a story about 2 openly perverted celebrities who promote homosexuality, visiting a home for homosexual teens... a safe haven for teens who intend to STAY IN THEIR SIN... contrary to the bible.

Lovely.

As Christians, I think we can all agree that these teens don't need a chit-chat with perverted celebrities who have more problems than THEY do.... what they need is the gospel.

What about the Christian ministers who should be helping them?

They don't want them!!!!

They only want to hear from religious people if no religion is involved:
Stop Religious Rejection - Ali Forney
A. From the above page we find:
Christians are great as long as you BRING US FOOD, BRING US GIFTS, DONATE MONEY, and AGREE WITH US.
We'll take your money, and we OFTEN DO!
B. Christians are BAD if you talk about ANYTHING in the Bible that DISAGREES with us.
You can't talk about sin, need for a savior to deliver us and change us, or anything like that... no sinners here, homosexuality is great great great!!! We want all Christians to feel awful and guilty for saying homosexuality is sinful. Calling it sin is BAD BAD BAD.
C. DISAGREEING WITH US IS BIGOTRY.
If you disagree with us we'll openly call you bigots.
You are NOT allowed to disagree with us.
NOT ALLOWED!

Christians to them are nothing more than ATM machines.

We need to shut up, stop talking, and just give them our money.

3. I googled "helping the needy on Thanksgiving" and got 477,000 results... and yet the ONLY story you could find was about 2 Godless perverted celebrities, who promote perverted activities, visiting teens mired in perversion, holed up in a Godless, perverted refuge that won't even allow Ministers to preach the gospel.

Lovely

Really, it's all just lovely.

Every Christian believes in "helping the needy".
But Dude's thread has nothing to do with "helping the needy".
Dude's thread is about "helping his political views".
And... supporting a refuge where the gospel isn't even allowed... that is HURTING THE NEEDY.

tourist · Dec 6, 2016

Dude653 said:

This was a contrived political stunt to further their own agenda.

maxwel · Dec 6, 2016

Dude,

No one here DISLIKES homosexual teens, we'd all like to help them change, and heal.

What we DISLIKE is the promotion of ideas, and agendas, that are CONTRARY to the bible.

If you would promote ideas that AGREE with the bible, we could all just have a big group hug.

How about that?

Promote some ideas and agendas that AGREE with the bible, and we can all have a big hug.

HisHolly · Dec 6, 2016

So many posts are so ignorant! If Christian folk didn't act like y'all are they'd receive us, sinners loved Jesus to eat with them... They are children lost in sin, like all of us were.. Didn't know we became better than them.. I always thought we had to acknowledge that we didn't deserve nor earn our salvation or right standing.. Silly me.. Exploit for pr, sad that it even happened.. It's even more sad that it's all the support they had..

wanderer6059 · Dec 6, 2016

The English Puritans who came here in the 1630s knew that the Old Testament has a great deal to say about civil government. And they came to build that shining city on a hill.
They did not come here to escape from the World, to wait for the end of the World, and to surrender it to evil.
And so – we became a shining city on a hill. The fundamental act of our Founding, the Declaration of Independence, recognizes the Creator God as the Source of Rights;[SUP]1 [/SUP]and acknowledges that the purpose of civil government is simply to “secure” the Rights God gave us. The Constitution we subsequently ratified was based on God’s model of civil government as set forth in the Bible.
That is why our Country was so much better than what the rest of the World has been. For the most part, we followed God’s model for civil government; other countries didn’t.
The blessing which flows from God’s model is limited civil government which is under The Law. That is why our Liberty Bell quotes Lev. 25:10 – “Proclaim LIBERTY throughout all the Land unto all the Inhabitants thereof.”
In this paper, I will show you Six Principles which come from the Bible and how our Framers applied them. In a future paper, I will show you Six Biblical Principles Thomas Jefferson listed in the Declaration of Independence, and how those Principles are also incorporated into our Constitution.

1. The Civil Authorities are under the Law.

The Bible: God is The Lawmaker – the kings are to apply God’s Law. [SUP]2[/SUP]

Deut. 17:18-20: The king is to write out a copy of God’s Law. He is to have it by him and read from it all his life so that he may keep, observe, and apply it.
1 Kings 2:1-4: King David on his deathbed tells Solomon he must conform to God’s ways, and observe his statutes, commandments and judgments, as written in the Law of Moses.

The parallel in our Constitution is that the Constitution is the Supreme Law which the civil authorities are to obey.
Noah Webster’s 1828 American Dictionary defines “constitution”:

“…In free states, the constitution is paramount to the statutes or laws enacted by the legislature, limiting and controlling its power; and in the United States, the legislature is created, and its powers designated, by the constitution.” [boldface added]

Our Constitution is the Standard by which the validity of all Acts of Congress, all acts of the Executive Branch, all judicial opinions, and all Treaties is measured and judged (Art. VI, cl. 2).
Do you see? Law comes from a higher source than the civil authorities. The “Rule of Law” prevails when the civil authorities obey that higher Law – be it God’s Law or our Constitution.
Tyrants, on the other hand, claim that they are the source of law. The Roman Caesars, Stalin, Hitler, the dictator of N. Korea and Obama all claim that their will is “law”. Consider Obama’s usurpatious executive orders and rules made by his executive agencies. This is the “Rule of Man” – when the civil authorities deny they are subject to a higher law (be it God’s Law or the Constitution), and hold that their will is “law”.

2. Civil Government has only limited and defined Powers:

The Bible: When you read through the Old Testament, you see that civil government is limited to:

Military matters
Enforcement of only a few of God’s Laws – the laws to which a penalty for violation is attached (laws against murder, theft, bearing false witness, negligence, etc.).
Judges are available to decide disputes between the people.

Most of God’s Laws are a matter of individual and family self-government (e.g., charity, family welfare, education, don’t drink too much, work hard).
The parallel in our Constitution is that it is one of enumerated powers only:

Congress’ Enumerated Powers are listed and explained here.
The President’s Enumerated Powers are listed and explained here.
The Judicial Branch’s enumerated powers are listed and explained here.

All other powers (except those listed at Art. I, §10) are retained by the States or the People. “Self-government” means that as individuals, we govern ourselves in accordance with the laws of God [or the “Natural Law”]. It doesn’t mean that we elect representatives to manage our lives for us!
Tyrants claim the power to do whatever they want.

3. Civil Government is divided into Three Parts:

The Bible: Isaiah 33:22 says The Lord is our “judge”, “lawgiver”, and “king”!
The parallel in our Constitution is that the federal government is divided into three branches: Judicial, legislative, and executive.
No human can be trusted with all three functions, so our Constitution separates them into three branches, with each branch having checks on the powers of the other branches.
Tyrants seek to exercise all three functions. Obama is making Congress irrelevant: When they refuse to pass a law he wants, he implements it by “executive order” or “agency regulation”. He’s making the judicial branch irrelevant by ignoring their decisions which go against his will.

4. The Civil Authorities promise to obey the Higher Law.

The Bible: The king promises to obey God’s Laws and to apply God’s Laws in the kingdom; and the people pledge themselves to this promise:

King Josiah’s covenant at 2 Kings 23:1-3: King Josiah called all the people together and in their presence, read aloud to them the Book of the Law which had been found in the temple. Then King Josiah entered into a covenant with God that he would obey him and keep his commandments and statutes as written in the Book of the Law. And all the People pledged themselves to this covenant.
Joash’s (via the priest Jehoiada) covenant at 2 Kings 11:17 and 2 Chron 23:16.
David’s covenant at 2 Sam 5:1-4 and 1 Chron 11:1-3.

Our Constitutional Oaths of Office:

Art. II, Sec. 1, last clause: The President promises to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution”.
Art. VI, last clause: All other federal and State officers and judges promise to “support” the Constitution.

5. When the Civil Authorities violate the Higher Law, We must Rebuke them!

The Bible: The prophets rebuke the kings when they forsake God’s Law:

Samuel rebuked King Saul (1 Samuel 13:10-14)
Nathan rebuked King David (2 Samuel 12)
A Man of God rebuked King Jeroboam (1 Kings 13)
Elijah rebuked King Ahab (1 Kings 16:29 – 1 Kings 17:2; 1 Kings 18:16-20; 1 Kings 21:17-29)
Elijah rebuked King Ahaziah (2 Kings 1:1-18)
Elisha rebuked Jehoram, King of Israel (2 Kings 3:1-14)
The prophets warned of the pending destruction of Jerusalem because of the sins of King Manasseh (2 Kings 21:10-16)
The book of Micah.
John The Baptist rebuked Herod.

The Black Robed Regiment of Our Revolution: Some 237 years ago, our pastors were leaders in bringing about our Revolution. They understood that the English king and Parliament were imposing tyranny on us in violation of God’s Law.
In the Declaration of Independence, we rebuked the British Crown when we itemized our grievances and recited how we had petitioned for redress and had warned that if they didn’t stop the usurpations, we would separate from them.
But today, we don’t have enough clergy with the knowledge and the spine to rebuke the federal government. Many don’t know what the Bible says about civil government,[SUP]3[/SUP]and they don’t know our Founding Principles and documents. Too many of our clergy just want to escape or withdraw from the World, avoid controversy, and preserve their 501 (c) (3) tax exemption.
The Catholic Priests are speaking out about being forced to provide contraception and abortion pills as violations of their religious freedom. But they should be denouncing the HHS rules as unconstitutional exercises of undelegated powers.
Their goal should not be to carve out an exemption for themselves from rules they don’t agree with; but to enforce The Constitution for everyone.
“Rebuke” does not consist in saying, “I don’t agree” or “It violates my beliefs.”
A proper rebuke points out the Higher Law being violated, and demands compliance with that Higher Law – not with one’s personal views.
Because the Priests have focused on their religious beliefs, instead of on biblical/constitutional principles; the discussion in the media has been about the percentage of Catholics who use birth control – the implication being that since most Catholics use it, the Priests are out of touch.
But if the Priests would say:

Obamacare is unconstitutional as outside the scope of the powers delegated to Congress – the medical care of the People not being one of the enumerated powers; and
The HHS rules are unconstitutional as outside the scope of the powers granted to the Executive Branch, and as in violation of Art. I, § 1 which provides that only Congress may make laws; [SUP]4[/SUP]

Then, they would make a proper Rebuke. And the discussion would be where it should be: on the enumerated powers of Congress and the unconstitutionality of rule-making by executive agencies.
So! The purposes of Rebuke are to Warn and Teach:

To warn the civil authorities of their violations of the Higher Law, and
To educate the civil authorities and The People about the Higher Law.

The Constitution is a theological document! It is the job of our clergy – Catholic, Protestant and Jewish – to know this. And to defend God’s Word as expressed in our Constitution. God requires our clergy to take an active role in protecting the People from a civil government which violates the Higher Law – be it God’s Law or our Constitution which is based on God’s Law.
We The People must also rebuke the federal government when they violate our Constitution. We do it by posting on line, talking to friends, family, and everyone else within our spheres of influence. Stick to Principles – avoid personal opinions. Cite the provision of our Constitution they violated; or as is usually the case, show that what they have done is not an enumerated power. When they have town hall meetings, rebuke them there. Watch this magnificent woman and see how it is done!

6. The Peoples’ Obligation to obey the Civil Authorities is conditional upon the Civil Authorities obeying the Higher Law.

The Bible: As shown by the Scripture at Principle 4, civil government is a covenant between God, the king, and the People. God makes the Laws; the king promises to obey and apply those Laws; and the people pledge themselves to the Covenant.
Out of this relationship between God, the king and the people, arises the peoples’ obligation to protest lawlessness on the part of the king. If they don’t protest, God punishes the people because of the misdeeds of their kings – the people will suffer if they go along with the unlawful acts:

God sent a 3 year famine because Saul put the Gibeonites to death (2 Sam 21).
God sent a pestilence which killed 70,000 Israelites because David took the census (1 Chron 21 & 2 Sam 24).
God (via Elijah) sent a famine because Ahab & his house forsook the commandments of the Lord (1 Kings 16:29-33, 17:1, 18:1, 18:17-19).
God struck a heavy blow at Joram’s people because of Joram’s wickedness (2 Chron 21:1-14).
God visited 4 dooms upon Jerusalem & the Southern Kingdom because of the sins of Manasseh (2 Kings 21:10-17 & Jer 15:3-4).

The parallel in our Constitution is this: When Congress makes a law which is outside the scope of its enumerated powers, it is no “law” at all, but is void; and we have no obligation to comply. Alexander Hamilton says this over and over in The Federalist Papers. Here are a few examples:

“…If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify…” (Federalist No. 33, 5[SUP]th[/SUP] para). [boldface added]
“…acts of … [the federal government] which are NOT PURSUANT to its constitutional powers … will [not] become the supreme law of the land. These will be merely acts of usurpation, and will deserve to be treated as such…” (Federalist No. 33, 6[SUP]th[/SUP] para). [boldface added]
“…every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act …contrary to the Constitution can be valid. To deny this, would be to affirm … that men … may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.” (Federalist No. 78, 10[SUP]th[/SUP] para). [boldface added]

Hamilton also tells us that Congress can’t usurp powers unless the People go along with it! In Federalist No.16 (next to last para), he points out that because judges may be “embarked in a conspiracy with the legislature”, the People, who are “the natural guardians of the Constitution”, must be “enlightened enough to distinguish between a legal exercise and an illegal usurpation of authority.”
So! Hamilton applies the Biblical model of what WE are supposed to do when the federal government acts outside of the Constitution. We are to recognize that their acts are “void”, and We are to take whatever prudent measures are necessary to enforce the Constitution.

Endnotes:
[SUP]1[/SUP] Here are express references to God in our Declaration of Independence:

…The Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God…
…endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…
…appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions…
…with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence…

Our Constitution at Art. VII, last clause:

…in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven…

[SUP]3[/SUP] Romans 13 must be read in pari materia with everything the Bible says about civil government! The false doctrine of “divine right of kings” is based on ignoring the numerous Old Testament provisions addressing civil government. Romans 13 actually says that the civil authorities are God’s ministers and agents, and if we are “good” we have no cause to fear them; but if we do “evil” we do have cause to fear them.
So! When reading Romans 13, Titus 3:1 & 1 Peter 2:13-14, we must keep in mind that it is God who decides what is “good” and what is “evil”. God never gave civil authorities the power to define “good” and “evil”; and God never gave them autonomy. Bad theology is, and has long been, the cause of much evil. And Pride keeps it going.
[SUP]4[/SUP] Article I, §1 says:

“All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.”

Only elected Senators (Art. I, §3, cl. 1) & popularly elected Representatives (Art. I, §2, cl. 1) may exercise legislative powers. Our Constitution doesn’t permit unelected bureaucrats to make laws. Federal judges have disgraced the Bench by permitting rule-making by executive agencies. PH.

Dude653 · Dec 6, 2016

maxwel said:

Can you quote the scripture that prohibits celebrities visiting homeless teens?

wanderer6059 · Dec 6, 2016

Dude653 said:

it talks about not glorifying them, why did you choose to post an article about some of the most anti christian people out there.

Dude653 · Dec 6, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

Probably because I didn't see any Christian people doing it

Dude653 · Dec 6, 2016

And who says I'm glorifying anyone?

wanderer6059 · Dec 6, 2016

Dude653 said:

they are out there, there just not seen or reported, and your sexuality doesn't matter to them, it doesn't make you any more or less deserving of help.

probably because the world doesn't care, and the don't either because they glorify God doing it.

while some popular celb will get all the worlds attention (the world shur loves its own) and they glorify themselves.

wanderer6059 · Dec 6, 2016

Dude653 said:

idk you called them celebs.

and the use of “keep the faith.” is a little bad to me at least.

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