How do you respond, How can Christians vote for Trump?

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calibob

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Masons take oaths. That's forbidden they do good works. Works may save lives but not souls here's my former sundat school teacher. Dr. Walter Martin, the late Bible answer man.
 

calibob

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As you believe, so shall you be Judged. Whoever you think that Jesus would vote for. That's who.
 
#85
Personally I believe there are things President Trump is trying to shield us from.
He is a family man, he I think attempts to be God fearing and to stand for things which we Christians believe in. He loves America and he wants us to live in an bautiful america again. And so do I. I moved here 2008 from a socialist country and I cried every time overcome with emotion when I stood for the singing of the national hymn. I was proud that americans love their country and to be part of a place like this now. In my country people are ashamed to be Swiss often times.

I will vote for him again. And I will pray that through the criticism, the badgering, the defamation, the lies and the attacks he will stay strong. He must have broad shoulders and a guarded heart if he is to remain constant for us.

And I hope the people up there get it together and begin to do their jobs. To find ways to serve our country and our people.
 

bojack

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bojack

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That's all very interesting. I suppose upon how as individuals we what being a christian really means;

  1. Is the Bible the word of God?
  2. Was Jesus the word of God made into flesh?
  3. Is Jesus part Holy Trinity?
  4. Was he born of a Virgin?
  5. Did he preform miracles?
  6. Was he innocently crucified and die for our sakes?
  7. Was he Resurrected from the dead?
  8. Is he coming back for all who believe in him only, be they alive or dead?
  9. Is he God?
  10. Is the Holy Spirit real?
Of course all 10, plus and to be a doer not a hearer ..
 

bojack

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#89
Masons take oaths. That's forbidden they do good works. Works may save lives but not souls here's my former sundat school teacher. Dr. Walter Martin, the late Bible answer man.
Yes Masons take oaths and it is wrong ..
 

bojack

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#90
As you believe, so shall you be Judged. Whoever you think that Jesus would vote for. That's who.
This is the whole thing, we believe God raised Trump for this purpose .. Just look at who all oppose him is enough to convince me and the fact that he has not been affected by all the attacks , even by many republicans ..
 

calibob

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This is the whole thing, we believe God raised Trump for this purpose .. Just look at who all oppose him is enough to convince me and the fact that he has not been affected by all the attacks , even by many republicans ..
Well then excuse me if I don't. I'll have no part in the kangaroo court. But I think America will be Judged for departing from the ways of the Lord and following the ways of the world the flesh and the Devil through abortion, sexual perversion, greed and bad stewardship of Gods planet where he has blessed us and allows us to live. Like he did to Israel after the Judges, after Solomon and after Babylon, Greece and Rome he allowed it to fall to decay. Many times in order to chastise them so they will turn back. I think it's happening now to humble us. God never wanted us to have human leaders. Moses was the servant that followed the cloud and fire cross the wilderness.
 

7seasrekeyed

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#93
Personally I believe there are things President Trump is trying to shield us from.
He is a family man, he I think attempts to be God fearing and to stand for things which we Christians believe in. He loves America and he wants us to live in an bautiful america again. And so do I. I moved here 2008 from a socialist country and I cried every time overcome with emotion when I stood for the singing of the national hymn. I was proud that americans love their country and to be part of a place like this now. In my country people are ashamed to be Swiss often times.

I will vote for him again. And I will pray that through the criticism, the badgering, the defamation, the lies and the attacks he will stay strong. He must have broad shoulders and a guarded heart if he is to remain constant for us.

And I hope the people up there get it together and begin to do their jobs. To find ways to serve our country and our people.

yup

you get it

I am also from another country...Canada...but I live in the US

and I wish Canada had more of the patriotic desire to make that a better country the way so many Americans do down here

you know what they say...you don't know what you have until it's gone
 

7seasrekeyed

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Well then excuse me if I don't. I'll have no part in the kangaroo court. But I think America will be Judged for departing from the ways of the Lord and following the ways of the world the flesh and the Devil through abortion, sexual perversion, greed and bad stewardship of Gods planet where he has blessed us and allows us to live. Like he did to Israel after the Judges, after Solomon and after Babylon, Greece and Rome he allowed it to fall to decay. Many times in order to chastise them so they will turn back. I think it's happening now to humble us. God never wanted us to have human leaders. Moses was the servant that followed the cloud and fire cross the wilderness.

truly off beat post here

God only called ONE nation to be His own...ISRAEL

the US is not Israel and if God does not want any human leaders then why did He call Moses...and so many others?

if anything, if anything at all, God has extended time to a nation that was in a death dive

it is a shame people do not recognize it and pray instead of grumping about and snorting self righteousness all over the place

we are to humble ourselves before God...find it...that is in scripture...we are also to pray for our leaders..apparently you prefer to judge and condemn because you have the mistaken notion you know better than does God who raises a king up and puts another one down

do you actually want this country to be destroyed?

…9Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom. 10Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you. 11Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. And if you judge the law, you are not a practitioner of the law, but a judge of it.…
James 4
 

Poinsetta

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Politicals def going bananas they still want Trump to get re elected and they CAN they’re breaking rules and records. =o
 

bojack

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Masons take oaths. That's forbidden they do good works. Works may save lives but not souls here's my former sundat school teacher. Dr. Walter Martin, the late Bible answer man.
We are not supposed to take oaths but as Christians we will also give an account for every idle word ''oath or not'' we've ever spoke .. Signing any contract is as much of taking an oath as anything in my opinion .. I took an oath in court once ''as a witness to a break-in'' to swear to tell the truth , I don't need to take an oath to do that .. If the judge had told me ''as a Christian you must take an oath'' as a test , I would have told him ''no, I do not need to swear to tell the truth'' .. Do you see what I'm talking about ? ... There was one Baptist church I did not join because they required an oath to become a member, ''they knew better'' than to require it ..

I agree with and Dr Martin makes good points to those who think being a Mason can earn you heaven with a/our/your/any god .. As far as I know the ''G'' in masonry stands for geometry and it's based a lot on King Solomon's temple .. I wasn't in as an active member long enough to really study it or care , and before you actually get in you don't know anything about it .. It's secret !!! .... And they don't ask you, you have to ask to join .. I had some good mason friends who were ''good ole boys'' and good guys who helped support children's hospitals and such .. And it seemed masons enjoyed favors from other masons such as at work and such .. Can God answer prayers through the unsaved ? .. I was not a Christian when I joined and was still raising a little hell , there were some other ''good ole boy'' non Christians in our lodge too .. It was just another club to me .. In my 40+ yrs I've been a Christian I've backslid and raised a little hell a time or two except Jesus jerked a knot in my rear-end and brought me back ..

No good works, no church, Mason's or organization, will ever save anyone
.. Only by being obedient and under the Blood of the Lamb of God (Born Again Through Repentance, Faith in Jesus life, Death and Resurrection ) and His righteousness will ever only save anyone to eternal life and from eternal hell fire ..
 

bojack

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calibob

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#99
If you can't watch the whole video, try to watch from 9:00 to about 19:00 and think for yourself if they were mere deists or not .. I think we are the mere deists today compared to then ..


Are you familiar with the term 'Full Gospel Christians?' It means whole gospel, gifts of the Holy Ghost and miracles believing in, Bible thumping, :love: evangelical Christians. I wouldn't join a church that believes anything to the contrary. There's even sort of a club for business men and entrepreneurs named the "Full Gospel Business Mens' Assn." they hold weekly prayer breakfasts before work.
 

calibob

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We are not supposed to take oaths but as Christians we will also give an account for every idle word ''oath or not'' we've ever spoke .. Signing any contract is as much of taking an oath as anything in my opinion .. I took an oath in court once ''as a witness to a break-in'' to swear to tell the truth , I don't need to take an oath to do that .. If the judge had told me ''as a Christian you must take an oath'' as a test , I would have told him ''no, I do not need to swear to tell the truth'' .. Do you see what I'm talking about ? ... There was one Baptist church I did not join because they required an oath to become a member, ''they knew better'' than to require it ..

I agree with and Dr Martin makes good points to those who think being a Mason can earn you heaven with a/our/your/any god .. As far as I know the ''G'' in masonry stands for geometry and it's based a lot on King Solomon's temple .. I wasn't in as an active member long enough to really study it or care , and before you actually get in you don't know anything about it .. It's secret !!! .... And they don't ask you, you have to ask to join .. I had some good mason friends who were ''good ole boys'' and good guys who helped support children's hospitals and such .. And it seemed masons enjoyed favors from other masons such as at work and such .. Can God answer prayers through the unsaved ? .. I was not a Christian when I joined and was still raising a little hell , there were some other ''good ole boy'' non Christians in our lodge too .. It was just another club to me .. In my 40+ yrs I've been a Christian I've backslid and raised a little hell a time or two except Jesus jerked a knot in my rear-end and brought me back ..

No good works, no church, Mason's or organization, will ever save anyone .. Only by being obedient and under the Blood of the Lamb of God (Born Again Through Repentance, Faith in Jesus life, Death and Resurrection ) and His righteousness will ever only save anyone to eternal life and from eternal hell fire ..
It is legal in the USA to refuse to swear in we can say I affirm.