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kaylagrl

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People who say read all of Job are just saying that out of emotional ignorance.....I don't care if Job got double and restored etc....he was scarred for life by losing his children, being humiliated by his friends and those at the city gate......don't bring up that spiritual bs of "oh everything was okay because he got double" that's a load of crap....he was traumatized unfairly all for God to prove a point....I don't care if people think I'm not spiritual or what not....nail it down to the essentials and that is what happened....nothing will replace his dead children or his reputation being badgered....

In all that did Job did not sin against God and accuse him falsely....yea that sounds like a huge embellishment......especially when he said God's arrows stick in him, he curses his birthday....

Hmm....saying God is shooting you with arrows is an accusation....so I guess Job did "sin" after all? And don't bring up complaining as an excuse, because even complaining is a sin according to the Bible.....Job was a human and a sinner just like every other dang person.....not a spiritual robot as some think....

And before it becomes do I believe the Bible...yes I do but a lot of things in it are written without the full picture of the human side of the people involved....they are made to sound like "superstars" when they are really just sinful people that God chose to use....

Quote "they are made to sound like "superstars" when they are really just sinful people that God chose to use...."

Are you talking about Job ?
 
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I was thinking more along the line of this:


But, yeah. Your letter works better.

(Who whines because they have it so good?)
Can we not call each other names? Besides, you don't know what I've been through.
 
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Can we not call each other names? Besides, you don't know what I've been through.
Easy......... Take some deep breaths. Remember, it's YOUR choice. You get to choose, not what someone else says or writes.
 
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I know. And I'm not going to stoop to someone else's level.
Good. But may I suggest a way to begin thinking about that? Tell yourself, NOT that you aren't going to "stoop to another's level", but rather that you are going to choose to maintain your own selected and desired altitude.

It sounds a little silly, but after a while, you will begin to see the very different attitude that little bit of change in thought brings to you in your life.
 
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I'm no professional but I sense something far deeper than just questioning life. Maybe depression? Is there someone you could talk to like a pastor? Just wondering.
I do have it occasionally, it runs in my family. I also have high-functioning autism.

I have been asked to join a bible study, and that made me happy, but that doesn't mean I don't still feel down.
 
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What I want to get across is that I'm not trying to argue. Since I have high-functioning autism, I like things to make at least some semblance of sense. Things have been getting better in terms of my depression, but I still have emotions.
 
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What I want to get across is that I'm not trying to argue. Since I have high-functioning autism, I like things to make at least some semblance of sense. Things have been getting better in terms of my depression, but I still have emotions.
I'll seldom argue. I will just suggest someone go to bed, and get some sleep. LOL
 

Daniel_I

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Historyprincess, let's make sense of it.


God is preeminent in understanding, God doesn't lie, God is the truth, God is life, God is love, God is all knowing, etc then logically anything opposed to or contradictory to what God declares is foolish, a lie, leads to death, is unloving and ignorant.


We reason, that since God is preeminent in every way, including knowledge and understanding and from Him all wisdom and understanding flows, then we are all subordinate in every way so that our wisdom and understanding being always dependent on Him, means we are never equal in understanding unless God permits - He hasn't. That means any attempt as a subordinate to declare something contrary to God - our superior - or to try to counsel God on His decision, -saying He is a bully for example when He says he protects the weak and oppressed- is an attempt at usurping God. Only someone higher than God in some measure can evaluate Him, and since nothing is higher than God that's impossible and a silly position to take.


I believe you are not going down that path anyway so let's argue based on scripture. A true regenerate Christian will produce spiritual fruits, that includes love based works, so no we do not just sit around using righteousness as an excuse. However, we are not the judge of a person's soul or walk in Christ, that is a role reserved for the one supreme judge.


Each person's walk is their own, we are to build each other up.


God says this world will remain the way it is, broken and at enmity with Him until Christ returns. That is a fact and a truth, no matter how much we wish He would change it, no matter how many ways the enemy wants you to doubt His love and Holiness or anything else, we are subordinate and we cannot change His decree. We can argue that it is unjust or unfair, yet that very argument would be a lie since again we must assume our knowledge of justice, fairness etc and our wisdom is equal or superior to God's - It is not.


I think, your presupposition - that you possess enough [fill in the blank] to evaluate God - is leading you down a dark and murky road and that is the enemy at work. Scripture says, if you lack wisdom ask God and He will freely give it. I am not judging you again, I am speaking to you with love. We cannot rely on our own understanding. In fact scripture says, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not to your own understanding."


I think what a good argument would be going forward is this, "God the world is wicked and I do not understand it, help me know your ways and what this all means." Instead of, "This person suffered or this is happening so you are [blah blah blah]." Knowing that God is superior in all ways, why not try "This person suffered or this is happening but you are good, holy, loving, and just; so help me to understand your will or intention in this. Reveal to me your attributes in this situation."
 
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Can we not call each other names? Besides, you don't know what I've been through.
A. There was no name calling.

B. Was this a lie then?
I'm not an atheist. I've been a Christian for five years, been raised in a Christian family, pretty much grew up in Mr. Roger's Neighborhood, while multitudes more have it way worse. Why bless me so much when I've done and endured so little to deserve it?

 
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I think what a good argument would be going forward is this, "God the world is wicked and I do not understand it, help me know your ways and what this all means." Instead of, "This person suffered or this is happening so you are [blah blah blah]." Knowing that God is superior in all ways, why not try "This person suffered or this is happening but you are good, holy, loving, and just; so help me to understand your will or intention in this. Reveal to me your attributes in this situation."
Thank you. I've been told I need to change my perspective. But I don't really know how to do that because it's the only one I've got. Just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I do everything right.

Wow, am I a hypocrite or what?
 
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JosephsDreams

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Keep praying and reading the bible, and keep doing the best you can. It will become clearer, just maybe not in your time frame.
 
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kaylagrl

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I do have it occasionally, it runs in my family. I also have high-functioning autism.

I have been asked to join a bible study, and that made me happy, but that doesn't mean I don't still feel down.
People with depression see the world through different glasses. Yes,you may still deal with being down but do all you can do to be people that make you feel happy. The more you're alone the worse you will feel.Get out with people as much as you can,go to church and whatever functions they have. The more you aren't dwelling on yourself the better it will be for you.
 

RickyZ

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James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

John 12:25
Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

2 Corinthians 12:10
That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

1 Corinthians 4
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwelling place; [SUP]12 [/SUP]And labor, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: [SUP]13 [/SUP]Being defamed, we entreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the off scouring of all things unto this day. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you."
 

Daniel_I

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Definitely, I encourage you to be surrounded by people who love the Lord and who will fight for your well being, support you, encourage you and love on you. When we are walking with the Lord, the enemy throws whatever lies he can at us; confusion, guilt, hopelessness, loneliness, fear, doubt, illnesses, drama, corrupt doctrine, etc at us. But God says, He will never leave you or forsake you and that He loves you. We all go through various trails but Jesus says to come to him if you are weary and He will give you rest. :)

The best way to have a perspective changed sometimes is to have it tested against scripture.
 
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JustWhoIAm

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People who say read all of Job are just saying that out of emotional ignorance.....I don't care if Job got double and restored etc....he was scarred for life by losing his children, being humiliated by his friends and those at the city gate......don't bring up that spiritual bs of "oh everything was okay because he got double" that's a load of crap....he was traumatized unfairly all for God to prove a point....I don't care if people think I'm not spiritual or what not....nail it down to the essentials and that is what happened....nothing will replace his dead children or his reputation being badgered....

In all that did Job did not sin against God and accuse him falsely....yea that sounds like a huge embellishment......especially when he said God's arrows stick in him, he curses his birthday....

Hmm....saying God is shooting you with arrows is an accusation....so I guess Job did "sin" after all? And don't bring up complaining as an excuse, because even complaining is a sin according to the Bible.....Job was a human and a sinner just like every other dang person.....not a spiritual robot as some think....

And before it becomes do I believe the Bible...yes I do but a lot of things in it are written without the full picture of the human side of the people involved....they are made to sound like "superstars" when they are really just sinful people that God chose to use....

Job was considered righteous. Doesn't mean he was perfect, but righteous.

Abraham believed God and it was accredited to him as righteousness. He wasn't perfect, either. Same for david.

These guys made it their top priority to serve God because they feared and loved him above all else.