IS THE RAPTURE NEAR : DONT DISMISS THESE SIGNS

[Joshie]

The parable of the weeds

24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

Maybe this answers the question to the pre Trib but yet it still means the wheat is left untouched and protected. So the question how is the wheat protected in the collection of the weeds that were amoungst the wheat

 

[Joshie]

Also we can't dismiss the signs in the stars... what does this sign mean... and if it's just a coincidence that happens to land on the feast of trumpets then wow that's some scary star sign

 

[Jimbone]

If there is going to be a rapture, I hope it happens right now.

I know way to many people that I love to want it to happen just yet, but that day will be amazing and I am looking forward to it no doubt. I just want my brother, sister, mom, etc... to be there too.

 

[Joshie]

Christians over the centuries have separated themselves from their Hebraic roots causing the misunderstanding of key Jewish biblical idioms. An idiom is also a figure of speech. When Y’shua (Jesus) uttered His famous words concerning the Messianic Era in Mattityahu (Matthew) 24:26, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father”, He used a common Jewish figure of speech referring to a specific Jewish Festival. In essence He was saying, “I am coming for My Bride on such and such a day! Be watching!” What day could the Jewish idiom be referring to? Keep reading!

This source was from a website about Jewish idioms

 

[sparkman]

Christians over the centuries have separated themselves from their Hebraic roots causing the misunderstanding of key Jewish biblical idioms. An idiom is also a figure of speech. When Y’shua (Jesus) uttered His famous words concerning the Messianic Era in Mattityahu (Matthew) 24:26, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father”, He used a common Jewish figure of speech referring to a specific Jewish Festival. In essence He was saying, “I am coming for My Bride on such and such a day! Be watching!” What day could the Jewish idiom be referring to? Keep reading!

This source was from a website about Jewish idioms

Which site? Some of the Hebrew Roots people are Judaizer nuts.

Oh..I see..it's Eddie Chumney. He was allowed to speak at a local Judaizer Messianic church in my area. They claim non-observers of days and meats are in sin. I don't know if Eddie Chumney does or not.

 

[Joshie]

But doesn’t Matthew 24:37-42 say that when Jesus comes, some people will be snatched away and others will be left behind? Let’s see what Matthew says. “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming” (Matthew 24:37-42, NKJV).

 

[Joshie]

Yes possibly but it seems like this is a know idiom. I don't know I'm just getting more confused haha

 

[Dai3234]

Then it couldn't be imminent, because many signs would be taking place leading up to Christ's return. If I was here during that time of God's wrath, I would know that Jesus could not return until after the 7th bowl was poured out. It is imminent and that because we are warned over and over to watch, because you do not know at what time your Lord will arrive. He likened His arrival to gather the church like a thief in the night. Last time I checked, thieves don't announce their arrival.

You'll just have to watch and wait, then you will know that we were telling you the truth. The bridegroom is going to come for his bride prior to his wrath being poured out upon this earth, not after. God does not punish the righteous with the wicked.

As far as I've heard, the wrath of God is not the 7 years of tribulations. We will suffer tribulations from the antichrist. But some will be fortunate to have the tribulations cut short. The mill stone etc. After a period of tribulations. So we've got trouble ahead if the rapture happens soon.

 

[Ahwatukee]

As far as I've heard, the wrath of God is not the 7 years of tribulations. We will suffer tribulations from the antichrist. But some will be fortunate to have the tribulations cut short. The mill stone etc. After a period of tribulations. So we've got trouble ahead if the rapture happens soon.

Hello Dai3234,

Just FYI, God will be using the revealing of the antichrist as being apart of His wrath. Seventy seven year periods were decreed upon Israel and her holy city. Sixty nine of those were fulfilled when Messiah was crucified. The last seven years, which is still future, will be initiated by God through the antichrist making that seven year covenant with Israel in fulfillment of the seventy sevens.

In case you don't believe that God uses his enemies to fulfill His purposes, I would remind you of how God used Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon to take His people Israel into captivity. The same will be happening during that last seven years, God will use the antichrist to bring times of tribulation upon His people Israel when he breaks his covenant and sets up that abomination in the holy place within the temple, which causes Jerusalem/Judea to flee. The antichrist will be used as God's instrument, as he will also put it into the hearts of the beast and the ten kings to hate the woman, that idolatrous city that sits on seven hills, destroying her completely with fire, so that no one will ever be able to inhabit her again.

Another important truth to take into consideration is that, the Lamb, Jesus, is the One who will be opening the seals, which leads into the trumpets and which is followed by the bowl judgments. Therefore, Jesus will be the One initiating God's wrath. This means that the church must be gathered prior to the first seal being opened, which is illustrated in Rev.4:1 when that voice that sounds like a trumpet says "come up here." This is prophetic of the church being caught up, which is well before the first seal being opened.

The church will truly suffer trials and persecutions, which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. But the church is not appointed to suffer God's coming, unprecedented wrath. This is one of the on-going problems in that, people don't recognize the difference between the trials that Jesus said we would suffer vs. God's coming wrath. Big difference.

 

[Burninglight]

Everyone what are you doing! Stop arguing... this is exactly what the devil wants. Instead let us discuss the information please do not argue, we are all in this together and we must listen to the Gospel and what it teaches about the second equally important commandment as the first telling us to love one another.

This post was not made to divide us I was simply asking for you to watch the video and provide your thoughts on this, let's not say this person is wrong or that person is wrong but rather let's work together to bring forward the truth of the scriptures. With the help of everyone I believe we can come to a conclusion, let's currently agree to disagree if it comes to that but please don't bicker between each other.

I love you all and We are in this as a team we all have Christ in us so don't offend one another, please no arguments on this thread.

Take it easy. Arguing can be part of the process of growth and learning. Even the disciples argued; that doesn't mean there isn't love for our brothers and sisters.

There just isn't any explicit Scriptural support for the rapture teaching; it is all built on inference, speculation and conjecture; whereas, we have explicit Scripture telling us that it is anything but imminent.

Jesus tells us explicitly after (NOT BEFORE) the tribulation the son of man will return Mat. 24, and Paul said, "Don't be deceived that day won't happen until the antichrist is revealed who opposes God and shows himself to be God." 2 Thes. 2.

It is about love to tell those believing in a rapture doctrine that they are on the wrong path in deception and false teaching. Why don't we just believe the Word instead of what people tell us the word says? That is why there are so many cults. Instead of judging the teaching by the word we judge the word by the teachings of men.

 

[Burninglight]

I can accept we are pre wrath, but not pre tribulation. Jesus said in the world we have tribulation!

 

[tanakh]

Christians over the centuries have separated themselves from their Hebraic roots causing the misunderstanding of key Jewish biblical idioms. An idiom is also a figure of speech. When Y’shua (Jesus) uttered His famous words concerning the Messianic Era in Mattityahu (Matthew) 24:26, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father”, He used a common Jewish figure of speech referring to a specific Jewish Festival. In essence He was saying, “I am coming for My Bride on such and such a day! Be watching!” What day could the Jewish idiom be referring to? Keep reading!

This source was from a website about Jewish idioms

As I understand it the saying is about the Feast of Trumpets which started when the new Moon was visible. This could happen any time within 48 hours. That's why no one knew the day or the hour when the festival started.

 

[Huckleberry]

No, the "rapture" is not near.
It's a false doctrine.
I don't need to expound.
We live in the information age.

 

[Ahwatukee]

No, the "rapture" is not near.
It's a false doctrine.
I don't need to expound.
We live in the information age.

The promise of the Lord to His disciples and all believers:

" Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe in Me as well. In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.

The detailed account in fulfillment of the Lord's return to gather His church:

"Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord."


According to the two scriptures above the Lord went to prepare places for all believers. When the church has been completed, then the Lord will appear and the dead in Christ will rise. Immediately following that, the living will be transformed into their immortal and glorified bodies and will caught up with those who were just previously resurrected to meet the Lord in the air. From there the Lord will take the entire group back to the Father's house, that where He is, we may be also.

This event is known as "the blessed hope." All true believers are watching for and longing for this event.

 

[Huckleberry]

The promise of the Lord to His disciples and all believers:

" Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe in Me as well. In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.

The detailed account in fulfillment of the Lord's return to gather His church:

"Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord."


According to the two scriptures above the Lord went to prepare places for all believers. When the church has been completed, then the Lord will appear and the dead in Christ will rise. Immediately following that, the living will be transformed into their immortal and glorified bodies and will caught up with those who were just previously resurrected to meet the Lord in the air. From there the Lord will take the entire group back to the Father's house, that where He is, we may be also.

This event is known as "the blessed hope." All true believers are watching for and longing for this event.

When I say "rapture" I'm referring to a fictional fantasy in which all you "true
believers" will be "raptured outta here" before the so-called "Tribulation".
The verses you've referenced are pointing to Armageddon, I.e., the Day
of the Lord, I.e., the end of this world, I.e., the Second Coming of Christ.
You pre-tribbers believe in a third coming, which is unscriptural.
Somebody made it up, more taught it, and now millions believe it, not unlike evolution.
No doubt you're a very nice and well meaning man, but you're deluded.

 

[tanakh]

No, the "rapture" is not near.
It's a false doctrine.
I don't need to expound.
We live in the information age.

Its not the Rapture that is false its peoples beliefs about it and a lot of other stuff that goes with it.

 

[Sully]

Its not the Rapture that is false its peoples beliefs about it and a lot of other stuff that goes with it.

huh? The rapture is pretty cut and dry. One minute your here the next, not...

 

[tanakh]

huh? The rapture is pretty cut and dry. One minute your here the next, not...

If it was that simple we wouldn't have page after page debating when it will happen, why it will happen, how it will happen and in a few cases will it happen at all.

 

[JaumeJ]

To me, for me, the word, rapture, in relating to the Word is like the word, Trinity. Each is a handy reference.

As for the so-called rapture, my belief is it refers to one time and one time only, the last trump when Jesus will appear on the clouds and send His Angels to gather up to Him above first those who sleep in the hope of His Resurrection, and second those who ae still alive.

Just as will the creation as we know it, all will be changed in an instant. There is no "lefte behind" as some people teach. God dos not "leave behind" those who seek. One gathering and no left behind except those who have chosen evil.

 

[tanakh]

What I really object to about the whole Rapture argument is that those who believe it and I'm really talking about Pre and Mid Tribbers have replaced Salvation through the belief in the finished work of Christ with belief in the Rapture. Eternal life is dependent on salvation not on anything else. When a believer dies He/She goes to be with the lord. Paul says in Thessalonians
that Christ will bring with him all those who have fallen asleep. The whole point of him saying this is because they were concerned about those who die before he returns. There is only one body and one Bride when Christ returns anyone who is not saved is lost. There are no ''Tribulation saints''who are saved after a Rapture because when Christ returns the full number of saved will have been reached. There is no special class of 'super saints' who avoid all the nasty happenings and are whipped off before the fat hits the fan. There is also no special way of salvation for Jews. A remnant be saved through belief in Christ the same as everyone else