KILLINGS OF PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS BY ISRAELI FORCES
- Thread starter Drett
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
If it's a big deal to you that Israel lied, then you ought to go ballistic when looking at all lies & deception the hamas have been involved in from day one.
BTW, IMO anybody who is for the hamas are either ignorant of their devices, or trying to be another type of 'human shield' for them. And that 'shield' would be a big pile of manure in itself.
BTW, IMO anybody who is for the hamas are either ignorant of their devices, or trying to be another type of 'human shield' for them. And that 'shield' would be a big pile of manure in itself.
J
So if I don't support the state of israel, I'm a muslim? Because I don't support atrocities on either end, I want people dead? No, because my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was called the Prince of Peace. But let me ask you this:
*I don't deny that it has been tension over t
*Do you think small time Hamas could destroy a state whose military is funded and backed by US (taxpayer) dollars?
*Are you a believer in Christ? (sometimes the hate of others makes that stance real questionable)
*How will Islam conquer the world? Even if that is possible and does happen, guess what? "Thy will be done."
*I don't deny that it has been tension over t
*Do you think small time Hamas could destroy a state whose military is funded and backed by US (taxpayer) dollars?
*Are you a believer in Christ? (sometimes the hate of others makes that stance real questionable)
*How will Islam conquer the world? Even if that is possible and does happen, guess what? "Thy will be done."
J
If it's a big deal to you that Israel lied, then you ought to go ballistic when looking at all lies & deception the hamas have been involved in from day one.
BTW, IMO anybody who is for the hamas are either ignorant of their devices, or trying to be another type of 'human shield' for them. And that 'shield' would be a big pile of manure in itself.
BTW, IMO anybody who is for the hamas are either ignorant of their devices, or trying to be another type of 'human shield' for them. And that 'shield' would be a big pile of manure in itself.
And to you last sentence, I feel the same way about those who blindly support a state based off of flawed theology.
Attempted Murder of Israel by Islamics
Atwood asked Jahsoul,Tell me, do you believe in Allah?
Do you think the Jews should be allowed to have any state in the Land of Israel at all?
What would you do with those Jews? Exterminate them?
Jahsoul, do you deny that Israel's moslem neighbors have been committed to the destruction of Israel ever since 1948 without letup?
Would you like the destruction of Israel?
Are you a believer in Allah?
Are you committed to Islam conquering the world?
Jahsoud, give a straight answer please,
Are you a believer in Allah?
Please stop evading the question,
Would you like the destruction of the State of Israel?
So then you indeed are committed to Islam conquering the world?
Don't shuck & jive, Jahsoul -- please give a straight answer.
Atwood asked Jahsoul,Tell me, do you believe in Allah?
Do you think the Jews should be allowed to have any state in the Land of Israel at all?
What would you do with those Jews? Exterminate them?
Jahsoul, do you deny that Israel's moslem neighbors have been committed to the destruction of Israel ever since 1948 without letup?
Would you like the destruction of Israel?
Are you a believer in Allah?
Are you committed to Islam conquering the world?
Jahsoud, give a straight answer please,
Are you a believer in Allah?
Please stop evading the question,
Would you like the destruction of the State of Israel?
So then you indeed are committed to Islam conquering the world?
Don't shuck & jive, Jahsoul -- please give a straight answer.
Last edited:
J
Re: Attempted Murder of Israel by Islamics
You ask stupid questions and then demand an answer? lol OK
I'll answer the one I found most offensive; am I a believer in Allah? You can go through my post history and see for yourself what I believe. I will allow you to do that and you come up with your own conclusion. But from your post I do believe that you are misguided "christian" zionist. Take that how you want....
I don't want the destruction of anyone and I'm not calling for it, but you want death of muslims. What makes you better than them?
Committed to Islam conquering the world? No, but I've versed enough in scripture to know that Christianity won't conquer the world until Christ return. So if Islam indeed conquers the world, how would that happen?
I don't deny any tension in that area, but if you look at history (which I doubt you will), most of that aggression came from the state of israel's strike against Egypt.
But truthfully, at the end of the day, I believe that you built 2 post of strawmen because you had no legitimate response to anything I said. Because you couldn't answer anything I said intelligently, you would rather question my faith and other irrelevancies instead of facing the question and that's OK. I choose not to look at recent history through flawed theology. I don't expect you to answer any of my questions, and that is fine by me, but at least it is on christianchat archieved records that you had nothing logical to say in the post about this subject.
You ask stupid questions and then demand an answer? lol OK
I'll answer the one I found most offensive; am I a believer in Allah? You can go through my post history and see for yourself what I believe. I will allow you to do that and you come up with your own conclusion. But from your post I do believe that you are misguided "christian" zionist. Take that how you want....
I don't want the destruction of anyone and I'm not calling for it, but you want death of muslims. What makes you better than them?
Committed to Islam conquering the world? No, but I've versed enough in scripture to know that Christianity won't conquer the world until Christ return. So if Islam indeed conquers the world, how would that happen?
I don't deny any tension in that area, but if you look at history (which I doubt you will), most of that aggression came from the state of israel's strike against Egypt.
But truthfully, at the end of the day, I believe that you built 2 post of strawmen because you had no legitimate response to anything I said. Because you couldn't answer anything I said intelligently, you would rather question my faith and other irrelevancies instead of facing the question and that's OK. I choose not to look at recent history through flawed theology. I don't expect you to answer any of my questions, and that is fine by me, but at least it is on christianchat archieved records that you had nothing logical to say in the post about this subject.
S
And what past wrongs would that be? That Ishmael got kicked to the proverbial curb as the heir and firstborn of Abraham? You do know that that is what all this is all really about don't you? God will once again use the Ishmaelites to save the Jewish nation....just like he did when Joseph's brothers sold him to a band of Ishmael's descendants and Joseph rose to prominence in Egypt. I'm sure you know that story.....right? It's a story about what happens when you let bitterness rule in your heart vs drawing near to God. Quite a contrast between the attitude of Joseph and Ishmael it is. (You have to say the last sentence in a Yoda voice).
S
Well coming at it with a worldly world view, it's understandable that you would reach that conclusion. The reality and biblical perspective is that God has allowed the evil one to shape the world in a way that will ultimately lead to His glory.....unfortunately mankind will unleash carnage that has not been seen before.....and it's all because of the fallen nature of man and his propensity to commit evil against his fellow man because of his unrepentant heart. Truth is...this thing is gonna go how it's gonna go and there ain't nothin you or I can do about it.
Hatred can't ever cease by more hatred, nor can it cease by irreverence, so if only one person on this forum listens to me when I say that justification of evil and hatred within oneself is an unworthy individual experience, then we'll be one person closer to non-hatred. The cultivation of good is like dropping water in an empty cup. Even one drop of goodness is water for life, and each drop adds slowly. Goodness is cultivated bit by bit.
'The Kingdom of Heaven is like the mustard seed, which a man takes and plants in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, when it grows it is the largest of garden plants, and becomes a tree so that the birds come and perch on its branches'.
It's something that we plant, and cultivate, tender for and look after. Each person is responsible for the growth of their own mustard tree - to its wither or to its blossom.
'The Kingdom of Heaven is like the mustard seed, which a man takes and plants in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, when it grows it is the largest of garden plants, and becomes a tree so that the birds come and perch on its branches'.
It's something that we plant, and cultivate, tender for and look after. Each person is responsible for the growth of their own mustard tree - to its wither or to its blossom.
Last edited:
Re: Attempted Murder of Israel by Islamics
The questions are not stupid, but point on. why don't you just give straight answers?
Again:
Jahsoul,Tell me, do you believe in Allah?
Do you think the Jews should be allowed to have any state in the Land of Israel at all?
What would you do with those Jews? Exterminate them?
Jahsoul, do you deny that Israel's moslem neighbors have been committed to the destruction of Israel ever since 1948 without letup?
Would you like the destruction of Israel?
Are you a believer in Allah?
Are you committed to Islam conquering the world?
Jahsoud, give a straight answer please,
Are you a believer in Allah?
Please stop evading the question,
Would you like the destruction of the State of Israel?
So then you indeed are committed to Islam conquering the world?
Don't shuck & jive, Jahsoul -- please give a straight answer
There is nothing illogical about my questions.
Why don't you give straight answers???
After you give straight answers,
I can address some other things you said.
The questions are not stupid, but point on. why don't you just give straight answers?
Again:
Jahsoul,Tell me, do you believe in Allah?
Do you think the Jews should be allowed to have any state in the Land of Israel at all?
What would you do with those Jews? Exterminate them?
Jahsoul, do you deny that Israel's moslem neighbors have been committed to the destruction of Israel ever since 1948 without letup?
Would you like the destruction of Israel?
Are you a believer in Allah?
Are you committed to Islam conquering the world?
Jahsoud, give a straight answer please,
Are you a believer in Allah?
Please stop evading the question,
Would you like the destruction of the State of Israel?
So then you indeed are committed to Islam conquering the world?
Don't shuck & jive, Jahsoul -- please give a straight answer
There is nothing illogical about my questions.
Why don't you give straight answers???
After you give straight answers,
I can address some other things you said.
This, all this is missing something. I've seen recently, from reading more and more into the bible, that personal faith is about me, my actions, my intents, my thought processes, not about verdicts on others. It's not about placing a verdict on people thousands of miles away whom I've never met. It isn't. And both ways, Israeli and Palestine, we are separate geographically. We are a different culture, we are so many things that serve to make our opinions on Israel and Palestine diffusive.
I sat earlier today, pondering all of it. Being here, arguing with people on this forum about Israel and Palestine, and I realized something; our opinions don't help. They don't. We're just a group of people bothering one another. Those families, both Israeli and Palestinian, caught in gunfire, bombings, the result of political manoeuvring or aggression or God knows what; do they care about our petty opinions? Do they wake up in the morning and think 'I wonder what those people on Christian Chat are saying?'
And Sirk, you said 'there's nothing we can do about it', and if that's true, and if that's the Christian position, and there's nothing we can do about it and there's no point trying, then what's the point of being here arguing amongst each other, adding conflict to conflict? If there is nothing we can do about Israel and Palestine in your eyes then why even try?
And so would a better use of time not be to do something else? Something do-able?
Likewise, for those who think something can be done, that we can incite in those who believe this is justified a willingness to end this divisiveness and refrain from factionalism, there's also no point, since none are willing to bend their entire theological foundations for the sake of universal humanitarianism. So why do that either? Why not do something do-able?
And for me, I think I'm going to read some more things Jesus said in his day. My heart goes out to all the families, men, women and children who're suffering because of this.
I sat earlier today, pondering all of it. Being here, arguing with people on this forum about Israel and Palestine, and I realized something; our opinions don't help. They don't. We're just a group of people bothering one another. Those families, both Israeli and Palestinian, caught in gunfire, bombings, the result of political manoeuvring or aggression or God knows what; do they care about our petty opinions? Do they wake up in the morning and think 'I wonder what those people on Christian Chat are saying?'
And Sirk, you said 'there's nothing we can do about it', and if that's true, and if that's the Christian position, and there's nothing we can do about it and there's no point trying, then what's the point of being here arguing amongst each other, adding conflict to conflict? If there is nothing we can do about Israel and Palestine in your eyes then why even try?
And so would a better use of time not be to do something else? Something do-able?
Likewise, for those who think something can be done, that we can incite in those who believe this is justified a willingness to end this divisiveness and refrain from factionalism, there's also no point, since none are willing to bend their entire theological foundations for the sake of universal humanitarianism. So why do that either? Why not do something do-able?
And for me, I think I'm going to read some more things Jesus said in his day. My heart goes out to all the families, men, women and children who're suffering because of this.
KILLINGS OF JEWISH CIVILIANS BY Islamics
I don't call for the murder of anyone.
But I am reasonable to endorse Israel's self-defense vs murderers.
And I believe I have observed scripture and current news enough to know that the Islamists will not rest until they have all of the Land of Israel, all the world, and murdered any opposition including Christians and Jews.
And IMHO, Israel will not be at peace so long as Muslims live in the Land of Israel, which includes Gaza and Samaria (aka Manasseh and Ephraim).
If we get to the real truth, I don't expect Israel to have peace until the Sea Beast of Rev 13 arises and sells them a bill of goods in a peace treaty, which will be broken after 3 1/2 years, leading to a great persecution and a flight of Israel described in Rev 12. Thus I expect another event driving out Israel from its land if no longer than 3 1/2 years, if not very far (to the wilderness).
I have no idea how things will actually play out until then, except that I expect no peace for Israel in the near future.
I don't call for the murder of anyone.
But I am reasonable to endorse Israel's self-defense vs murderers.
And I believe I have observed scripture and current news enough to know that the Islamists will not rest until they have all of the Land of Israel, all the world, and murdered any opposition including Christians and Jews.
And IMHO, Israel will not be at peace so long as Muslims live in the Land of Israel, which includes Gaza and Samaria (aka Manasseh and Ephraim).
If we get to the real truth, I don't expect Israel to have peace until the Sea Beast of Rev 13 arises and sells them a bill of goods in a peace treaty, which will be broken after 3 1/2 years, leading to a great persecution and a flight of Israel described in Rev 12. Thus I expect another event driving out Israel from its land if no longer than 3 1/2 years, if not very far (to the wilderness).
I have no idea how things will actually play out until then, except that I expect no peace for Israel in the near future.
Yes, you keep reading the things Jesus said...but don't read just the social side of things about loving our neighbor...but also how He said...
John 14:6 " I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Matthew 20:28 " Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."
John 11:25-26 '' I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?''
To receive Him as a teacher of helping the poor, but denying Him as the only Savior of the world is to call Him a liar or deceived, and thus make Him unworthy to be listened to on any count,
.
John 14:6 " I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Matthew 20:28 " Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."
John 11:25-26 '' I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?''
To receive Him as a teacher of helping the poor, but denying Him as the only Savior of the world is to call Him a liar or deceived, and thus make Him unworthy to be listened to on any count,
.
Last edited:
Esanta, I'm not sure what you mean about the Lord Jesus' antagonistic side. He certainly is not the namby-pamby "Jesus" of some liberal phony Christianity.
He is the great I AM (name of God).
Thou shalt call His name Jesus (Yeho-shua' = YHWH (is) salvation),
for He shall save His people from their sins.
He speaks great I AM sayings in John's gospel:
Before Abraham was born, I AM.
I AM the way the truth & the life,
no man comes to the father, but by Me.
I AM the light of the world.
I AM the good shepherd.
I AM the bread of life.
I AM the bread that came down from Heaven.
I AM the resurrection and the life; He who believes in Me though He were dead; yet He shall live. And whosoever lives & believes in Me shall never die.
I am the resurrection & the life.
When arrested prior to the cross, he spoke the words to his arresters, " I AM." they fell back & to the ground.
Except you believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins.
He is the great I AM (name of God).
Thou shalt call His name Jesus (Yeho-shua' = YHWH (is) salvation),
for He shall save His people from their sins.
He speaks great I AM sayings in John's gospel:
Before Abraham was born, I AM.
I AM the way the truth & the life,
no man comes to the father, but by Me.
I AM the light of the world.
I AM the good shepherd.
I AM the bread of life.
I AM the bread that came down from Heaven.
I AM the resurrection and the life; He who believes in Me though He were dead; yet He shall live. And whosoever lives & believes in Me shall never die.
I am the resurrection & the life.
When arrested prior to the cross, he spoke the words to his arresters, " I AM." they fell back & to the ground.
Except you believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins.